Vegas shutting down again rumor
Quote: billryanI like the Overton area. I thought it was a bit remote but then I moved to the middle of nowhere.
Overton is nice but it seems to be a very tight religous community. Mormon I believe.
Quote: kewljOn a positive note, real estate prices here in Vegas are surprisingly UP. They dipped a bit the first month of the shutdown, but then immediately returned to levels above pre-shutdown.
Dont be fooled by current sales or price reports. The actual foreclosure problem won't develop for another six months. And some big multi million dollar sales can skew the stats for a small market such as Nevada with only three million residents.
Remember, this state still has a 25% unemployment rate. About 40% of the casinos are closed. The $600 per week unemployment insurance boost ends in two more weeks and then the average unemployment benefit in Nevada will be about $330 per week.
How do you support a family and pay a mortgage and utilities and other bills with $330 a week?
You don't.
Somethings gotta go.
Quote: AlanMendelsonDont be fooled by current sales or price reports. The actual foreclosure problem won't develop for another six months. And some big multi million dollar sales can skew the stats for a small market such as Nevada with only three million residents.
Remember, this state still has a 25% unemployment rate. About 40% of the casinos are closed. The $600 per week unemployment insurance boost ends in two more weeks and then the average unemployment benefit in Nevada will be about $330 per week.
How do you support a family and pay a mortgage and utilities and other bills with $330 a week?
You don't.
Somethings gotta go.
You take your $330 to the casino and triple it.
In all seriousness, I don't see banks foreclosing on thousands of homes. It's not in their best interest. They'll add on time at the back end, throw in a few points spread out over the life of the loan and everybody will be happy.
We need to be able to pay for food and medicines. Everything else can wait.
Quote: billryanI like the Overton area. I thought it was a bit remote but then I moved to the middle of nowhere.
I went thru Overton last week. Remote. Quiet. Isolated. Returned from Valley of Fire thru the back entrance.
Saw 2 huge churches within about a mile of each other. Latter Day Saints? Is it a religious area/community?
Overton was hotter than Vegas.
Quote: AlanMendelsonDont be fooled by current sales or price reports. The actual foreclosure problem won't develop for another six months. And some big multi million dollar sales can skew the stats for a small market such as Nevada with only three million residents.
Remember, this state still has a 25% unemployment rate. About 40% of the casinos are closed. The $600 per week unemployment insurance boost ends in two more weeks and then the average unemployment benefit in Nevada will be about $330 per week.
How do you support a family and pay a mortgage and utilities and other bills with $330 a week?
You don't.
Somethings gotta go.
There is a reckoning coming to Vegas when the extra $600 dries up. I’m worried about the consequences for this city.
Quote: ChumpChangeWe're going straight to civil war this summer, and most of us can't leave the country..
Looks like the NORTHERN border shutdown is now extended til August 21 ( shortly before that date will be extended till Sept 21) and on and on
1600 new cases in Canada last week ..... yes 37 million people and 7 full days of testing 1600
Maybe its in our beer the solution to this virus
Quote: coilmanLooks like the NORTHERN border shutdown is now extended til August 21 ( shortly before that date will be extended till Sept 21) and on and on
1600 new cases in Canada last week ..... yes 37 million people and 7 full days of testing 1600
Maybe its in our beer the solution to this virus
Canada closed its SOUTHERN border. Mexico has closed its NORTHERN Border., at least in Arizona.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/missoulian.com/news/local/testicle-festival-canceled-following-deaths-attendance-decline/article_8113f1e2-17d0-581d-a460-c406899deaaf.amp.html
Quote: coilmanLooks like the NORTHERN border shutdown is now extended til August 21 ( shortly before that date will be extended till Sept 21) and on and on
1600 new cases in Canada last week ..... yes 37 million people and 7 full days of testing 1600
Maybe its in our beer the solution to this virus
My dear Canadian Amigo, your beer could be a "solution" to covid19 because you guys don't have the unfortunate and the POOR-PEOPLE we get here in USA. In fact, Canadians don't have to do anything except wearing facemasks, and the covid19 will die off by default eventually
The super RICH GUYS in USA get to share their wealth with the unfortunate and the POOR-PEOPLE. Otherwise, the unfortunate and the POOR-PEOPLE will keep on doing the massive peaceful protests everywhere as shown on TVs. They catch and spread covid19 to all, the rich & the poor. The data don't lie. 58,858 Americans get infected with covid19 PER DAY!
https://imgur.com/XrMDund
The unfortunate and the POOR-PEOPLE will keep on doing the massive peaceful protests until they're WELL-TO-DO and get what they're entitled to.
Updated July 14, 2020
TOTAL CASES in USA per CDC.gov
3,355,457
58,858 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS
135,235
351 New Deaths*
Quote: MintyI'm so curious to see what Vegas will look like five years from now. How many casinos will there be compared to now? Will the major groups get a greater percentage of total casinos or will their debt be their undoing? It's odd to think about a future Vegas that isn't a hub of gambling and massive resorts.
Good question.
I think the future is for more regional gambling centers with more local travel and less cross country travel to Vegas.
More states are embracing the revenue and jobs from casinos.
Ya, I keep seeing theses people that claim they have a medical condition that impede their mask wearing abilities, they are usually loud, obnoxious, bullish people who don't give a f*** about anybody. STAY THE HELL HOME AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO YOUR CRAP ANOTHER WAY. And they can shove their fake emotional support animals up their ***.Quote: coilman
I would say 99% of the people in stores are wearing masks few don't as people with certain medical conditions are not required to wear one .
Quote: kewljMy guess is Nevada Casinos won't be shutting down right now. With Baseball scheduled to start next week and NBA and NHL the following week, they are going to want to have sportsbooks open and see what that brings.
But I am also guessing the "return to sports" isn't going to go too well nor last very long. These millionaire players aren't going to want to be guinea pigs. Once they start testing positive and a few get sick, they will balk. College Football is already on the path to cancelling the season and the NFL will have no choice but to follow.
Once sports is gone again if cases, hospitalizations and deaths continue to rise, I think you will see casinos closed again. I also don't think you will see schools and colleges opening as some politicians want (for their own self interest).
Remember summer time and higher temperatures, with people out doors more was supposed to be the time and conditions that we got a break from this virus, that it all but disappeared before a return in the fall. Well it has done anything but disappear. The uptick in the fall is going to be nasty.
PGA has had positive tests of players... Not shut down...
Multiple European soccer leagues with many positive tests.... Not shut down....
Nascar has had ancillary staff test positive.... Not shut down.....
Tennis players test positive.... Tour still goes on....
Horse racing..... still racing....
NHL has had dozens of positive tests.... still on target to start....
Same for NBA and MLB.....
You must be aware we have heard of now hundreds if not thousands of these athletes testing positive.... but I can't think of ONE who has gotten so sick that they made news because of it..... What we hear is they test positive and thus will home quarantine for XX days....
I fully expect the NFL to play this season. Wanna bet $10?
Quote: billryanHow long do you think any of those sports will manage without fans in attendance?
The major sports?
Years.
World Team Tennis? And Cornhole? Why the hell are they bothering?
Quote: AxelWolfYa, I keep seeing theses people that claim they have a medical condition that impede their mask wearing abilities, they are usually loud, obnoxious, bullish people who don't give a f*** about anybody. STAY THE HELL HOME AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO YOUR CRAP ANOTHER WAY. And they can shove their fake emotional support animals up their ***.
I just had a class last weekend where one of my students said that they had a medical condition so they could not wear one. I could not challenge them so I had to just continue on. Its not about them, but its about protecting others. Why cant they wear a face shield? Long story short, failed the class. Unfortunate.
Quote: tringlomaneThe major sports?
Years.
World Team Tennis? And Cornhole? Why the hell are they bothering?
I don't see any sports league surviving beyond this season if they can't bring in live audiences. I understand television money drives the economic machine but ratings will dry up if the games are played before an empty stadium. Rumors are that the NY Giants are hoping to be able to play before 10,000 fans. That will leave 65,000 pissed off season ticket holders. Ticket holders that forked over thousands of dollars months ago.
Baseball has already canceled its entire minor league season, retarding every players growth and how many minor league players will go into other careers because they can't sit out a year with no pay. I think they also canceled last springs draft, or heavily modified it. They were looking for a way to modify the entire minor league system and I'm sure that when it does come back, it will be quite different.
Stadiums get tax breaks because municipalities get shares of parking revenues, sales taxes on everything sold and most major league stadiums provide hundreds, if not thousands of jobs, even if most are part-time. Take away the fans and why do we need Yankee Stadium? Madison Square Garden sits atop some of the most expensive real estate in the country. How long will the Dolans pay to maintain what without fans is a white elephant?
Las Vegas laid out tens of millions to build the new minor league stadium. How's that investment looking now?
Quote: billryanI don't see any sports league surviving beyond this season if they can't bring in live audiences. I understand television money drives the economic machine but ratings will dry up if the games are played before an empty stadium. Rumors are that the NY Giants are hoping to be able to play before 10,000 fans. That will leave 65,000 pissed off season ticket holders. Ticket holders that forked over thousands of dollars months ago.
Baseball has already canceled its entire minor league season, retarding every players growth and how many minor league players will go into other careers because they can't sit out a year with no pay. I think they also canceled last springs draft, or heavily modified it. They were looking for a way to modify the entire minor league system and I'm sure that when it does come back, it will be quite different.
Stadiums get tax breaks because municipalities get shares of parking revenues, sales taxes on everything sold and most major league stadiums provide hundreds, if not thousands of jobs, even if most are part-time. Take away the fans and why do we need Yankee Stadium? Madison Square Garden sits atop some of the most expensive real estate in the country. How long will the Dolans pay to maintain what without fans is a white elephant?
Las Vegas laid out tens of millions to build the new minor league stadium. How's that investment looking now?
Interesting... I see virtually ALL of the sports leagues surviving beyond this season if they can't bring in live audiences. Do you actually believe any of the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, PGA, Nascar, actually fold if there are no fans this year? They certainly will lose money, but "NOT SURVIVE"???? Pick which one you think will "not survive" and let's make a bet!!!!!
As far as your 'minor league' thoughts, players with major league aspirations will wait another year.... very few if any real major league prospects will give up on the dream because they miss a season.
As far as the municipalities losing money on the stadiums... spot on! The Raider's stadium.... that is quite a boatload paid to build a stadium for NO fans!
Quote: SOOPOOInteresting... I see virtually ALL of the sports leagues surviving beyond this season if they can't bring in live audiences. Do you actually believe any of the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, PGA, Nascar, actually fold if there are no fans this year? They certainly will lose money, but "NOT SURVIVE"???? Pick which one you think will "not survive" and let's make a bet!!!!!
As far as your 'minor league' thoughts, players with major league aspirations will wait another year.... very few if any real major league prospects will give up on the dream because they miss a season.
As far as the municipalities losing money on the stadiums... spot on! The Raider's stadium.... that is quite a boatload paid to build a stadium for NO fans!
Yeah one year the minor Leaguers will survive.
An aside, there were a few Jewish athletes prepped for the 1936 Olympics American team.
Olympics were held in Germany. Hitler refused to let them play. The world capitulated and they were told they could compete in the 1940 Olympics.
1940 didn't happen - world war two
1944 didn't happen - world war two
1948 - they were too old to compete by then
Quote: SOOPOO
I fully expect the NFL to play this season. Wanna bet $10?
The NFL may start the season, but they won't finish. I will bet that.
No Fans Live
Quote: DRichI think the NFL would have no problem surviving many years without fans.
It isn't about the fans, it is about the players unions. The players are quite powerful through their unions, now-a-days. If a number of players get sick, or god forbid die, the players will balk so fast it will make your head spin. It won't be about money to these guys, once a couple players die.
And by the way, someone can correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that all the guaranteed money, for all the guaranteed contracts, have to be paid as soon a the first game is played. ;/
I disagree. Teams have twice the number of players on their pre-season roster than are allowed during the regular season.Quote: kewljIt isn't about the fans, it is about the players unions. The players are quite powerful through their unions, now-a-days. If a number of players get sick, or god forbid die, the players will balk so fast it will make your head spin. It won't be about money to these guys, once a couple players die.
If some guys quit or become sick, there will always be others to take their places. If whole teams refuses to play, there is another team's worth of players who had already been on that franchise's roster in camp. And should the NFLPA strike, we have seen that the NFL is not above bringing in scab players during labor disputes.
It's all about the money. There will always be players willing to forego the risks for a shot in the NFL, and the paychecks that come with it. I don't see any scenario not involving government intervention that will cause the NFL to not fulfill their end of their TV contracts.
Quote: DRichI think the NFL would have no problem surviving many years without fans.
Can the NFL survive? Of course it can. The vast majority of teams are owned by people that don't depend on their teams for their livelihood. The Jets are owned by a guy who is the principal owner of Johnson and Johnson. No NFL owner and his family will starve if the NFL were to fold tomorrow.
I just think that if they don't play this year, and conditions are not back to normal next year, they will suspend operations.
A football game or any sporting event without fans is like watching a game on tv with the sound muted. It can be done, but why bother?
Quote: billryanCan the NFL survive? Of course it can. The vast majority of teams are owned by people that don't depend on their teams for their livelihood. The Jets are owned by a guy who is the principal owner of Johnson and Johnson. No NFL owner and his family will starve if the NFL were to fold tomorrow.
I just think that if they don't play this year, and conditions are not back to normal next year, they will suspend operations.
A football game or any sporting event without fans is like watching a game on tv with the sound muted. It can be done, but why bother?
UFC without fans has been fine to watch. Would be eerie to watch an NFL game in an empty stadium, but not fatal.
Quote: billryanCan the NFL survive? Of course it can. The vast majority of teams are owned by people that don't depend on their teams for their livelihood. The Jets are owned by a guy who is the principal owner of Johnson and Johnson. No NFL owner and his family will starve if the NFL were to fold tomorrow.
I just think that if they don't play this year, and conditions are not back to normal next year, they will suspend operations.
A football game or any sporting event without fans is like watching a game on tv with the sound muted. It can be done, but why bother?
To me, watching sports on television is not much different if there are no fans in attendance. I think the NFL would be the only sport that could still flourish without fansin attendance. I love college football but I think the revenue from fans will be required for it to maintain its status.
About 20-25% of NFL rosters are made up of rookies. If colleges don't play this year, where will the rookies come from? An NFL roster that has no rookies means that a much as a quarter of the team would normally have lost their jobs to attrition. Does the NFL want to water down their teams with a bunch of players who normally would be cast out?
Quote: billryanI can't watch the UFC without fans...
About 20-25% of NFL rosters are made up of rookies. If colleges don't play this year, where will the rookies come from?
I can’t watch UFC period don’t really understand how people can, it’s people behaving like animals.
Where would NFL rookies come from? Probably college players who didn’t play the year before and were previously sophomores or juniors. There’s no rule that an incoming NFL player has to play college football, only that they are three years out of their graduating high school class, nothing about those players draft eligibility would change if colleges don’t play this year.
Quote: mcallister3200I can’t watch UFC period don’t really understand how people can, it’s people behaving like animals.
Where would NFL rookies come from? Probably college players who didn’t play the year before and were previously sophomores or juniors. There’s no rule that an incoming NFL player has to play college football, only that they are three years out of their graduating high school class, nothing about those players draft eligibility would change if colleges don’t play this year.
Undrafted rookies make league minimum with minimal signing bonuses. Bad for the players. On the other hand, does the league want a bunch of guys coming in that are less developed than the usual crew. It can be done, but it would diminish the product. I think the league will suspend play rather than water down the product. I could be wrong. Time will tell.
Quote: billryanI think the league will suspend play rather than water down the product. I could be wrong. Time will tell.
I am 100% on the opposite side than you. I think they would continue to play until people quit watching.
Quote: DRichI am 100% on the opposite side than you. I think they would continue to play until people quit watching.
I don't think they will risk people stopping to watch.
Quote: mcallister3200Why would the rookies be undrafted? If this were to happen the players would have been enrolled in and therefore drafted out of the college they simply wouldn’t have played.
The NFL draft dictates what each draft position gets paid. I don't see them conducting a draft that will cost them tens ofmillions on unproven players. It will be easier just to suspend things.
The Yankees have already missed twenty plus home games. I've yet to see them address the millions of dollars in ticket refunds for these games, although I may have missed it. At this point, MLB must owe hundreds of millions in refunds.
If I recall correctly, the Yankees collected money last year for World Series tickets and applied it to this years season ticket costs so they've had an interest free loan on that money, plus all the tickets sold this year. Tickets in the moat area exceed $150,000 per year so a company with a four seat box is owed some serious money.
Quote: billryanThe NFL draft dictates what each draft position gets paid. I don't see them conducting a draft that will cost them tens ofmillions on unproven players. It will be easier just to suspend things.
The Yankees have already missed twenty plus home games. I've yet to see them address the millions of dollars in ticket refunds for these games, although I may have missed it. At this point, MLB must owe hundreds of millions in refunds.
If I recall correctly, the Yankees collected money last year for World Series tickets and applied it to this years season ticket costs so they've had an interest free loan on that money, plus all the tickets sold this year. Tickets in the moat area exceed $150,000 per year so a company with a four seat box is owed some serious money.
The players are always unproven (at the pro-level) there are always mid-late rounders that would be drafted in first round if it were redrafted three years later, this just somewhat changes the degree. They’d be drafting players who were previously sophomores or juniors when they saw them play rather than juniors and seniors, we’re not talking straight from high school. This year the pre-draft evaluations and medical exams were significantly curbed, making them more unproven but a draft was held. I think an argument could be made that if the season was lost next year but the postseason evaluation process were back to normal unlike this past draft (latter admittedly a big if), teams would be at least as comfortable with next years draft as they were with this one.
Without the NCAA season, the pillars the draft builds upon will collapse.
I don't believe the owners will trot out an inferior product, as they learned their lesson with the scab games in the late 80s.
Quote: jjjooogggI have chips from almost 2 years ago from varous casinos across the country. I've been wanting to cash my chips asap. But havnt got around to it. Has all of yall cashed in for fear of being stuck with useless chips?
wow, I hope you do not have a very large amount in chips, otherwise with the current situation it will certainly cause certain difficulties with cashing out..
Does this shut the casinos?
Quote: AlanMendelsonClark County back as a Red Zone and the WHITE HOUSE is recommending groups no larger than ten and occupancy levels cut to 25%.
Does this shut the casinos?
Not looking good is it Alan? My guess is The Gov will close gyms, all bars even those serving food, and maybe mandate smoke free casinos before he shuts casinos down a second time, but it is coming one way or another.
Quote: AlanMendelsonClark County back as a Red Zone and the WHITE HOUSE is recommending groups no larger than ten and occupancy levels cut to 25%.
Does this shut the casinos?
White House recommendation means this is what Governor's should do but don't have too.
Quote: darkozWhite House recommendation means this is what Governor's should do but don't have too.
And you think Gov Sisolak won't?
Quote: kewljReports this week in the Review Journal that dozens of casino workers have recently tested positive, including more than 15 dealers from Cosmo.
15 only in Cosmo? it's not bad when compared to 67,404 in USA PER DAY. Well at least those 15dealers have to work & make a living. They take the risk of a Head-On Collision with the life-threatening COVID-19. However, for months, the CARELESS young people have endlessly been protesting on streets, packed like sardines. Hmm... I wonder why another 67,404 Americans are infected with covid19 PER DAY!
https://imgur.com/gayjvea
Updated July 16, 2020
TOTAL CASES in USA per CDC.gov
3,483,832
67,404 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS
136,938
947 New Deaths*
Quote: AlanMendelsonAnd you think Gov Sisolak won't?
I can't answer without talking politics
It just makes absolutely no sense at all. I'm sure they probably have some skewed messed up data to back up their reasoning, but I just want to use some common sense here.
Keep it all open, shut it all down, I don't really care one way or the other I just wish they would quit playing silly games with all the back-and-forth BS and come up with a solid plan one way or the other.
Quote: kewljThe NFL may start the season, but they won't finish. I will bet that.
Ok. To determine what ‘finishing the season’ means, I’d say they are able to play the Super Bowl. That they had a season of length sufficient enough to have a playoff and then a super bowl? Sounds good, kewlj?
