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April 4th, 2012 at 8:25:39 PM permalink
Or read my thread " Colorado Switch" and see how a table games manager can kill your game.
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April 4th, 2012 at 8:33:56 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Will some of the presenters be openly mocked and
laughed at for having dumb ideas? Can the public
attend to watch? I have a half finished casino game
involving Hooks and Ladders and Parker Bros 'Clue'.
Is it too late to get in?




Sorry, BOB. Once again you are a day late and a dollar short. I on the other hand are among the chosen 10.
Miracles never cease to happen. Hell, they can laugh at me and pitch me out into the gutter afterwards, if so inclined.
Just let me know if my game has any value? The morning line on me finishing last of 10 is -6,000,000
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April 4th, 2012 at 8:44:02 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Will some of the presenters be openly mocked and
laughed at for having dumb ideas? Can the public
attend to watch? I have a half finished casino game
involving Hooks and Ladders and Parker Bros 'Clue'.
Is it too late to get in?


Ironically, there are slot machine games based on both of those themes.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
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April 4th, 2012 at 8:50:26 PM permalink
There was a slot machine game named after me, EvenBob and Jerry Logan. Wait a minute, no . My bad, that was 3 other STOOGES.
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April 4th, 2012 at 9:42:57 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

There was a slot machine game named after me, EvenBob and Jerry Logan. Wait a minute, no . My bad, that was 3 other STOOGES.



I was thinking of a certain Clint Eastwood film :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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April 4th, 2012 at 9:45:50 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

... this from the guy who invented 3 card poker
Ernie Moody says, ...



Buzz, you mean Derek Webb? Ernie Moody is multi-line Video Poker.
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April 5th, 2012 at 10:03:34 AM permalink
My Bad I stand corrected. I meant Ernie.
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April 5th, 2012 at 10:08:55 AM permalink
Quote: Switch

I was thinking of a certain Clint Eastwood film :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist.



One of my favorites. Some many great quotes but this one made me see things in a much different light. Maybe I should start a thread on the lines from that movie. For a spaghetti western, it sure runs deep sometimes.

[To his brother Pablo] You think you're better than I am? Where we came from, if one did not want to die of poverty, one became a priest or a bandit! You chose your way, I chose mine. Mine was harder. You talk of our mother and father. You remember when you left to become a priest? I stayed behind! I must have been ten, twelve. I don't remember which, but I stayed. I tried, but it was no good. Now I am going to tell you something. You became a priest because you were... too much of a coward to do what I do!
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April 6th, 2012 at 1:30:32 AM permalink
Here is the lineup of games for the May 2 focus group, along with the surname of each inventor:

1. Three Card Hi Lo (Ventura)
2. Bad Beat Stud Poker (Snow)
3. Poker for Roulette (Miller)
4. Triple Aces (Ma)
5. Twist'em (Friedman)
6. Hong Kong Poker (Willis)
7. Blackjack Split (Milosevich)
8. Action Blackjack (Paff)
9. Money Suit 31 (Weiss)
10. Hi Lo Stud Poker (Lima/Snow)

Place your bets.

Roger
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April 6th, 2012 at 4:15:28 AM permalink
Solid games, many pros involved.
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April 6th, 2012 at 4:26:05 AM permalink
Quote: Pacman

Here is the lineup of games for the May 2 focus group, along with the surname of each inventor:

1. Three Card Hi Lo (Ventura)
2. Bad Beat Stud Poker (Snow)
3. Poker for Roulette (Miller)
4. Triple Aces (Ma)
5. Twist'em (Friedman)
6. Hong Kong Poker (Willis)
7. Blackjack Split (Milosevich)
8. Action Blackjack (Paff)
9. Money Suit 31 (Weiss)
10. Hi Lo Stud Poker (Lima/Snow)

Place your bets.

Roger


Place our bets?

That #3 horse already has my full backing.

However, I have a feeling that #2 and/or #10 is the house favorite.... Look who's riding her. ;)
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April 6th, 2012 at 5:04:19 AM permalink
Dave,
There is NO doubt that #3 is THE very best Roulette side bet that I have ever seen in my life, and as the inventor of EZpg, MHO counts for a little. I have tried to do what you had in Roulette, and flat-out failed, - an ass-kicking and all. We ALL missed it but you Dave. A bit hard to implement, but the technology is right around the corner.

I had abandoned my own place-bet type Roulette side bets based on your work that had kicked ma' ass. See: Dave Kicked my ass.

Only technology and expense is a factor for you and your mathematican. Roulette is way the f-ck overdue for a great side bet, and with progressive technology, things are getting much closer. Will a major distributor make it happen? A little computer programming, - and a LOT of money of and action....

Now also, #6 is a VERY fine and surprisingly fine and smooth-playing Poker variant that is VERY quick and Rich. Nothing compares quite to UTH, but Hong Kong Poker (Sorry, Roger, love ya), it's GOOD competition for Crazy-4 Poker and Four Card Poker, - both very fine. It has to be considered and gotten out, if possible. Big action and money are involved, let's get in on it....
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April 6th, 2012 at 6:18:57 AM permalink
Dan -

Thanks again for the words of encouragement. It means a lot to me.

I completely missed the "Dave Kicked my ass" thread the first time around. Of course, if it had THAT thread title, things would have been different.

I'm fairly certain that was posted while I was in Vegas pitching my Hit It Again idea. With so many unread threads when I got home, I totally missed that one. Plus, I was too busy nrsing my wounds from rejection to pay attention to every thread.

Then again, I came up with the Poker For Roulette idea in the hours between getting the rejection and landing at home. I didn't make the announcement until weeks later when I got my provisional patent acceptance, so I understand why that thread had the title that it had.
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April 6th, 2012 at 7:00:02 AM permalink
I have word that the stable is heavily backing the 2 horse. He is racing on his home track. And his jockety, R. Snow, is not an apprentice boy, having ridden winning ideas in the past. Be that as it may, I am thrilled to be among the entries, even as a 99-1 longshot.

Remember fellas, the race is not always won by the fastest horse, but that's the way to bet. LOL
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April 6th, 2012 at 8:34:25 AM permalink
You have got to give props again to Roger/SHFL for giving so many forum members a shot at some excellent feedback. Would love to be a fly on the wall in the back of the room and watch some forum brethren give their pitches.

Roger, any potential for a couple of guest passes given to each outside presenter? I have at least one presenter I would like to show up for and support.
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April 6th, 2012 at 8:45:20 AM permalink
I like that idea - even if it's just a "moral" support thing. I.E. The guest pass people don't fill out the evaluation forms. Or maybe they do, but their forms aren't given as much weight as the VIP invitees.
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April 6th, 2012 at 8:54:51 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

You have got to give props again to Roger/SHFL for giving so many forum members a shot at some excellent feedback. Would love to be a fly on the wall in the back of the room and watch some forum brethren give their pitches.

Roger, any potential for a couple of guest passes given to each outside presenter? I have at least one presenter I would like to show up for and support.


JHC on a Popsicle stick. This is turning into the Academy Awards. Feted the night before ... plus-ones ... What's next, Joan and Melissa on the red carpet outside our showroom? SWAG bags? Lavish after-party at Liza's?

Fine. You each get one visitor for moral support, but he or she cannot vote.

Roger
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April 6th, 2012 at 9:52:40 AM permalink
Quick, somebody pm me with European Hottie's phone number. I assume the guest can be of the " eye candy " variety !
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April 6th, 2012 at 10:13:15 AM permalink
Quote: Pacman

This is turning into the Academy Awards.

Roger -

Please understand that for most of us, this started out as the Academy Awards. I've already had several friends ask me if I'm planning on wearing brown pants.

We're not typing to make you nuts, but this is unchartered teritory for some of us.

Joan and Melissa? No, but it makes me wonder if there will be any media there.

After-party? As most of you know, I proposed a little get-together of WoV members that might be in town while I'm there: WoVCon-2A. You're certainly invited, as is anyone else presenting or in attendance. Please RSVP in that thread. It's tentatively scheduled for sometime Thursday after The Wizard gets done with his radio show.
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April 6th, 2012 at 10:22:03 AM permalink
I have been asked if I would agree to an interview by the local college newspaper here. I referred to Grand junction as a one horse town after moving here from Denver Now I might have to apologize to the town. I already apologized to the horse years ago.
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April 6th, 2012 at 10:46:12 AM permalink
Good Luck inventors. here is something to consider:
Quote from The Wizard, Michael Shackleford:
After doing math analysis and consulting on about 200 games for game inventors I learned a thing or two.
One is that games that are totally out of left field have almost no chance.
If you can't explain the rules of a game in under 15 seconds
players won't have the patience to learn it,
dealers will make errors, and casino management likely won't give it a chance in the first place.
Games that have the best chance to succeed are blackjack and poker variations,
because players already understand the basic rules of those games.
With the exception of Casino War all successful new table games
have taken blackjack or poker and introduced just one major rule twist.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
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April 6th, 2012 at 10:54:00 AM permalink
Don't presume to speak for any other inventor, but I look at this as a no lose lottery. I mean, somebody will get a chance,
hopefully, to get ShuffleiMaster interested in their game. Others will at least have theit games reviewed and flaws and areas of improvement suggested. A few will get a polite "WTF" and from there on it's up to them to face reality.
As for me, this waking up at 3 am and thinking " Damn, how did I overloook that ? " will stop no matter what !
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April 6th, 2012 at 12:46:35 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan


That's one out of a thousand installs. The other 999 are doing fine with 1-3-6-30-40.



1-4-5-30-40-50 is pretty popular around here...
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April 10th, 2012 at 6:34:48 AM permalink
We have added two more entrants, making it officially a dirty dozen:

1. Three Card Hi Lo (Ventura)
2. Bad Beat Stud Poker (Snow)
3. Poker for Roulette (Miller)
4. Triple Aces (Ma)
5. Twist'em (Friedman)
6. Hong Kong Poker (Willis)
7. Blackjack Split (Milosevich)
8. Action Blackjack (Paff)
9. Money Suit 31 (Weiss)
10. Hi Lo Stud Poker (Lima)
11. XX Poker (Hall)
12. Max 9 (Fong)
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April 10th, 2012 at 10:46:04 AM permalink
I had a dream about this focus group last night. In the dream I was there but was totally unprepared, and was pitching some kind of tic-tac-toe game. Buzz you were there I think...it's a little hazy.

I know, I'm weird.
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April 10th, 2012 at 10:55:59 AM permalink
WEIRD ? You have no idea what weird is. I am sitting here painting wooden chips for my demo.
ROFLMDAO
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April 10th, 2012 at 11:04:13 AM permalink
So my combination of Old Maid and Solitaire was rejected
yet again? How about nude Old Maid?

There's no pleasing you people..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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April 10th, 2012 at 11:10:34 AM permalink
Maybe if you had not put on that blonde wig and posed for that pix of the nude old maid playing card ??
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April 10th, 2012 at 11:33:18 AM permalink
I too have been having dreams about this show. Haven't lost sleep yet. Well, not much anyway....

Quote: buzzpaff

WEIRD ? You have no idea what weird is. I am sitting here painting wooden chips for my demo.
ROFLMDAO

Really? What the heck for?

Unless your game needs some specific type of chip, why make them?

Ask Roger if the table he is providing will come with chips.

If not (which I seriously doubt), go out and get a poker chip set. Hell, if you're a real gambler, you have one or know someone that could lend you a set.
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April 10th, 2012 at 11:40:08 AM permalink
Good advice indeed, But i intend to have a ' Senior Friendly " demo. Over-sized cards and chips. Roger has even offered the service of a SMI dealer.,Which I am about to gracefully decline. I KNOW I KNOW !

Dan Lubin will probably want to shoot me when he reads this, but I somehow got this far. Gonna go down swinging. Sorta like standing in the batter's box against Sandy Koufax or Bob Feller ( or worse Steve Dalkowski ) and praying I don't get a baseball in
my ear. LOL
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April 10th, 2012 at 12:55:37 PM permalink
Buzz -

I don't know about a baseball in your ear, but it looks like you're getting a bullet in your foot - and that you're doing the shooting!
You don't need Dan to shoot you....

"Senior friendly" ? Just because you're that old, don't assume that your demo audience, or the game's target audience is.

Oversized cards? Or just large index? I hope it's the latter. Using such cards might be a good idea for demo purposes. Hell, some of us gave the Wiz crap for not using them in his videos. So, considering that you might be demoing to a group of people that are standing a short distance from the table, cards with large index is a good idea.

But you don't need 20/20 vision to tell the difference between a red chip and a green chip - particularly fake chips that have small or no edge spots.
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April 10th, 2012 at 4:46:33 PM permalink
I agree with you completely. But I am using large cards and chips. No fool like an old fool.
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April 10th, 2012 at 11:16:02 PM permalink
Quote: Pacman

We have added two more entrants, making it officially a dirty dozen:

1. Three Card Hi Lo (Ventura)
2. Bad Beat Stud Poker (Snow)
3. Poker for Roulette (Miller)
4. Triple Aces (Ma)
5. Twist'em (Friedman)
6. Hong Kong Poker (Willis)
7. Blackjack Split (Milosevich)
8. Action Blackjack (Paff)
9. Money Suit 31 (Weiss)
10. Hi Lo Stud Poker (Lima)
11. XX Poker (Hall)
12. Max 9 (Fong)


Would like to see this Six Games to do will at the SHFL:
XX Poker (Hall), Money Suit 31 (Weiss), Twist'em (Friedman), Action Blackjack (Paff), Hong Kong Poker (Willis) and Poker for Roulette (Miller).
Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com
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April 12th, 2012 at 7:31:20 AM permalink
Thanks Stephen, I am still trying to figure out how I wound up in this group. But this will not stop me from showing up.
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April 12th, 2012 at 7:45:16 AM permalink
Quote: MrCasinoGames

Would like to see this Six Games to do will at the SHFL:
XX Poker (Hall), Money Suit 31 (Weiss), Twist'em (Friedman), Action Blackjack (Paff), Hong Kong Poker (Willis) and Poker for Roulette (Miller).


While I appreciate being on this short list, (Hell, I apprecitate being on the long list too!), I can't help but wonder how you've put any sort of ranking to this.

Unless I completely missed it, I don't recall seeing any discussion except for my Poker For Roulette bet and Money Suit 31.

I've done Google searches but have come up empty.

What do you know that I don't know? And how did you find out?

For the record, in emails from Roger Snow, he has provided the email address of all the participants. I COULD have emailed everyone to ask, but my curiosity level isn't great enough to go beyond looking for public announcements.
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April 12th, 2012 at 7:58:59 AM permalink
While I would not presume to speak for Stephen, I assume he is just wishing well those who he has a relationship with here on the forum and elsewhere ?
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April 12th, 2012 at 8:00:50 AM permalink
Ps Teddybear 20 days and counting !
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April 13th, 2012 at 11:54:00 PM permalink
This is how we will tabulate scores at the May 2 focus group:

Attendees will play each game for 10-15 minutes and then, as soon as they are finished, they will check a box on their ballot that best describes their feelings about it. There are five choices and each one has a corresponding point value:

Great: +10 points
Good: +5 points
OK: 0 points
Bad: -5 points
Garbage: -10 points

We will have 13 eligible voters, so the best possible score is +130 and--as symmetry would have it--the worst possible score is -130.

If past performance is a prescient prognosticator, the game that wins this event will score between 85 and 100 points and the one that finishes last will get about -50 points.

Let the games begin.


Roger
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April 14th, 2012 at 12:24:17 AM permalink
Will the contestants be told what their score was?
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April 14th, 2012 at 10:26:44 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Will the contestants be told what their score was?


Contestants will have three options regarding the announcement of their scores:

1. In front of all other contestants, at the end of the focus group; or
2. Via e-mail that night; or
3. Hermetically sealed in a mason jar, which will be dropped to the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

Roger
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April 14th, 2012 at 11:07:42 AM permalink
!3 voters? Will that be the total audience ? I was preparing my presentation for an audience of about 40.
Should I downscale ??
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April 14th, 2012 at 11:29:49 AM permalink
i think you should post the scores on this forum.
you used the forum to solicit participants,
it seems fair that we should get to see which games fared best.
if not the scores, than at least the rankings.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
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April 14th, 2012 at 12:58:31 PM permalink
Quote: Pacman

3. Hermetically sealed in a mason jar, which will be dropped to the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

Ignoring that such a jar will float, I think that comment is Roger's way of saying "I wish you guys would stop bugging me with stupid questions and concentrate on your presentation!"


Frankly, there are a couple details that have me concerned.

But rather than ask about them, I'm prepared to deal with it regardless of what the answer would be. I mean, it's not like the conditions of the presentation or event are going to change because I object to something.


For what it's worth, I don't care about my score. I figure that if the score and/or comments are good enough, I'll find out soon enough. If not, then I'll have gained valuable experience to be better prepared for next time.
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April 14th, 2012 at 1:12:14 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Frankly, there are a couple details that have me concerned.



If I was a contestant, I'd be worried about the
first 60 sec of my presentation. Can my game
b explained in 30sec or less? If it can't. its
doomed. People do NOT like convoluted complicated
casino games. KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid. I'd
be explaining my game to anybody who would
listen, seeing if it is indeed simple enough for the
moron public to understand.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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April 14th, 2012 at 1:23:44 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Frankly, there are a couple details that have me concerned.

By the way, I meant the room layout, rules, scoring, etc. I was not referring to my own presentation.


Quote: EvenBob

If I was a contestant, I'd be worried about the
first 60 sec of my presentation. Can my game
b explained in 30sec or less?


The first 30 seconds I have down cold:

"Poker For Roulette is a side bet for Roulette. In short, you're betting that the next five spins will produce something that looks like a poker hand. It could be as simple as one repeat within those 5 spins, which make a pair, or all the same color for a flush, all the way up to Five Of A Kind, which wins the Progressive Jackpot."


If I have any presentation concerns, it's what to say in the next 30 seconds.

I *think* at that point I'll turn to one of my history display photos and continue, "For example, here we see .... "
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April 14th, 2012 at 1:49:47 PM permalink
Everything will be explained in detail at dinner the night before.

Roger
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April 14th, 2012 at 1:51:30 PM permalink
you forgot the line: "it has a house edge approaching the level of keno"
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April 14th, 2012 at 3:22:04 PM permalink
I already figured out one thing. I occasionally suffer from verbal diarrhea. I hope to let the cards speak for me.
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April 16th, 2012 at 4:43:58 PM permalink
Quote: Pacman

Everything will be explained in detail at dinner the night before.

Roger

If nothing else, U get a free dinner hosted by someone who runs an empire (The Emperor himself). Congratulations and good luck to all.
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April 23rd, 2012 at 6:16:07 AM permalink
My Mulligan Poker and I are late entrants to this event. I'm looking forward to participating. Hopefully nobody feels that I'm diluting their chances. Thanks Roger for squeezing me in.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
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