DJTeddyBear
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November 2nd, 2010 at 11:31:46 AM permalink
Note added on 5/2/11
I had computer issues, so I haven't been on top of my email lately.
Just today, I noticed that the Wiz gave this thread a plug in his 4/8/11 email newsletter.
Thanks!

Note added on 8/15/12
Because of some revisions, most notably the addition of 3 and 4 spin versions,
a new thread was created for the new 3, 4 and 5 spin versions.



As most of you know, Since my September visit to Las Vegas, I have been working on a new concept for a Roulette side bet.

Based on its name alone, I'm sure most of you can guess what it is.

For complete details, check out my website: www.Poker-For-Roulette.com

The very short version is that you are betting that the next five spins produce a result that resembles a poker hand.


Check it out. Let me know what you think!

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It overcomes all of the pit-falls that killed my Hit It Again idea, while retaining the big payoff - although not quite as big as I had in the Hit It Again bet.

1 - It's unique. You can't make a standard Roulette bet and achieve the same results.

2 - It has lots of ways to win, so you'll win a lot more often than with my Hit It Again idea.

3 - The top prize is a lot lower, so it doesn't have the same aggregate payout problem.

4 - It has the 'whacky' / fun factor that gamblers will love.

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In case you totally missed my other idea, here's the thread about it:
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/2311-hit-it-again-roulette-progressive-side-bet/
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November 2nd, 2010 at 12:18:24 PM permalink
The 'wild greens' are a plus. It takes a bad outcome on regular roulette, a green, and perhaps helps a player win the side bet. So as the dealer is sweeping away almost all of the bets your side bet at least is 'working'.
soulhunt79
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November 2nd, 2010 at 1:03:40 PM permalink
Interesting concept.

I will say this seems a lot more "fun" than the repeat numbers.

I like the idea of an optional progressive. Mainly because I just don't think the progressive is needed here. The simple option that I can turn $1 into $10000 with 5 in a row means I can bet on the massive long shot.
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November 2nd, 2010 at 2:16:02 PM permalink
There seems to be a lot of payouts, have you considered the 'standard' poker payouts of:-
Pair
2 Pair
3 of a Kind
Full House
Straight
Flush
4 of a Kind
Straight Flush
5 of a Kind

rather than combining pairs with a flush etc ? Just have highest win only is paid.

The above has 9 payouts which can be quite overwhelming to manage especially with bets on every spin.
DJTeddyBear
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November 2nd, 2010 at 6:18:55 PM permalink
"Keeping it simple" was one of my primary desires with my Hit It Again idea. It was simple to the point where it could be implemented manually. Of course, it's simplicity was part of it's failure.

During my meeting with the game distributor, they told me, in no uncertain terms, that using an electronic system to track the bets, would not be prohibitive. In fact, I got the feeling that they would prefer it.

Also, as is pointed out on the Misc page, it is recommended to place the bet on every spin rather than waiting for one bet to resolve before making the next bet. Having multiple bets active at one time is a logistical nightmare if not done electronically.

Once I resigned myself to requiring an electronic device, 'overwhelming' became less of a problem. Besides, having all those different ways to win just adds to the novelty and fun for the player.

What hands win would actually be a decision to be made by the distributor and/or casino. My patent does not specify the types of 'hands' that pay off, or what the pay offs will be. The patent just covers the multi-spin combination result thing.

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For what it's worth, I came up with the idea of making the greens wild because they can't be used for a straight or flush, so seeing one pretty much kills that hand. So make then wild!

Also note that a Straight Flush is impossible. For that reason, I included a Kangaroo Flush.
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November 2nd, 2010 at 6:57:00 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Also note that a Straight Flush is impossible. For that reason, I included a Kangaroo Flush.



What is a kangaroo flush?
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November 2nd, 2010 at 7:25:40 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

What is a kangaroo flush?

I plan on explaining a Kangaroo Flush on my website, when I next update it.


A Kangaroo Straight is usually 2-4-6-8-10, although other similarly gapped straights are also sometimes called Kangaroos.

Note that these are not real hands. They are LOSING hands, but, sooner or later, every poker player will have heard the term, used by someone in a vain attempt to win the hand, or at least get a laugh.


That being the case, since a Straight Flush is not possible, a Kangaroo Flush is five consecutive numbers of the same color, for example, 6-8-10-11-13. These are all black. Although 10 and 11 are not gapped, the hand includes ALL the blacks in the sequence while hopping over the reds.
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November 2nd, 2010 at 8:42:35 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

That being the case, since a Straight Flush is not possible, a Kangaroo Flush is five consecutive numbers of the same color, for example, 6-8-10-11-13. These are all black. Although 10 and 11 are not gapped, the hand includes ALL the blacks in the sequence while hopping over the reds.



Thanks. I didn't know that.
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November 2nd, 2010 at 11:29:34 PM permalink
Dave,
Reviewed your site - looks sharp!
Roulette is in great need of a good progressive, it's wide open. Somebody's gotta pick it up!
Real interesting!
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November 2nd, 2010 at 11:42:54 PM permalink
Dave,
A couple of concerns:
1. If trips or better are up and won, then the next bet is guaranteed to be a winner of at least one pair; a four of a kind guarantees trips or better, etc. A flush would have almost a 50% of repeating for > even money. Do you have a "No Bet Block" rule or action for this, when the next spin will be a winner, or a higher probability of a win versus the payout table (player advantage?) The idea of a "No New Bet window" is needed to prevent advantage play, and is easily implemented. The big winning hand is needed to "evaporate out completely," lest people jump in for smaller sure winners that are residual to it.

2. Do you have both single and double Zero version/math?
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