mrsuit31
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January 29th, 2019 at 6:56:23 AM permalink
Hi All,

I'm proud to announce the release of my newest game called Advantage Play 3 Card Fury.

Believe it or not, I've deviated from my normal 31 based games and have now started creating a plethora of others which will begin to trickle out over the next few months.

Advantage Play 3 Card Fury is a novel spin on 3 Card Poker, where the player receives 4 cards to make their best 3 card hand to beat that of the dealer who receives ONLY 3 CARDS. To account for the tremendous edge this gives to the player, I have incorporated a forced side wager, which itself pays attractive odds on "Monster" hands, even in the event of a lose (on the top 3).

You can play the demo by clicking the game name above.

Detailed math is available on the website under the "Game Math" tab (tip of the hat to our own Miplet for running the first round of numbers for me).

I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts good, bad or ugly!
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January 29th, 2019 at 12:56:30 PM permalink
I played the game demo. I thought the game was fun - a lot more fun than 3-card poker.

On your demo, it does say that the dealer, who receives only three cards, will qualify with a King-high or higher. Without doing any math, it is apparent to me that the player's best strategy is to never fold if the dealer needs K-x-x to qualify. This is because the dealer will not qualify with a probability that is significantly higher than 33.333%, i.e., 1/3. The side wager is lost no matter what the player does, so the only issue is whether the player can win the ante bet more than 1/3 of the time if he makes the play bet.

This means that your game math is wrong. You assume that the player folds 12.13% of the time, always losing 2 units. Your actual house edge will be lower than 4.02% if the player never folds. I expect the correct house edge is in the ballpark of 3.9%.
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mrsuit31
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January 29th, 2019 at 2:30:47 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I played the game demo. I thought the game was fun - a lot more fun than 3-card poker.

On your demo, it does say that the dealer, who receives only three cards, will qualify with a King-high or higher. Without doing any math, it is apparent to me that the player's best strategy is to never fold if the dealer needs K-x-x to qualify. This is because the dealer will not qualify with a probability that is significantly higher than 33.333%, i.e., 1/3. The side wager is lost no matter what the player does, so the only issue is whether the player can win the ante bet more than 1/3 of the time if he makes the play bet.

This means that your game math is wrong. You assume that the player folds 12.13% of the time, always losing 2 units. Your actual house edge will be lower than 4.02% if the player never folds. I expect the correct house edge is in the ballpark of 3.9%.



I appreciate the kind words!

According to two separate mathematicians, both of which can respond directly on here if they so choose, the strategy is to play with any Q high or better. Are you taking into account that you need to beat the dealer even if they don't qualify in order to win the Ante? I think that may be where you are getting different numbers than they are. That is definitely not my department however.

Most important to me is that you enjoyed the game!
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January 29th, 2019 at 2:46:07 PM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

I appreciate the kind words!

According to two separate mathematicians, both of which can respond directly on here if they so choose, the strategy is to play with any Q high or better. Are you taking into account that you need to beat the dealer even if they don't qualify in order to win the Ante? I think that may be where you are getting different numbers than they are. That is definitely not my department however.

Most important to me is that you enjoyed the game!



Unlike regular 3 card poker, you still need to beat the dealer to win the ante bet. I was kind of surprised it is a Q high for the player to play. Thought it would be higher, but the math says otherwise.
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January 29th, 2019 at 2:55:10 PM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

I appreciate the kind words!

According to two separate mathematicians, both of which can respond directly on here if they so choose, the strategy is to play with any Q high or better. Are you taking into account that you need to beat the dealer even if they don't qualify in order to win the Ante? I think that may be where you are getting different numbers than they are. That is definitely not my department however.

Most important to me is that you enjoyed the game!



You are correct, I did not realize that you need to bet the dealer to win the ante when the dealer does not qualify. So, I withdraw my comment, except that I do think this is a more exciting and fun version of 3CP.

In my defense, I do note that the rules about needing a King to qualify and needing to beat a non-qualifying dealer to win your ante are not included in your list of rules on the website/link for this game, so its easy to overlook or mis-understand.
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mrsuit31
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January 29th, 2019 at 3:01:27 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

You are correct, I did not realize that you need to bet the dealer to win the ante when the dealer does not qualify. So, I withdraw my comment, except that I do think this is a more exciting and fun version of 3CP.

In my defense, I do note that the rules about needing a King to qualify and needing to beat a non-qualifying dealer to win your ante are not included in your list of rules on the website/link for this game, so its easy to overlook or mis-understand.



I thought the first rule under the Play wager was clear enough in explaining that. Perhaps I need to rethink that one and be a bit more specific....

Appreciate the kind words again nonetheless and appreciate you taking the time to play around.
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January 29th, 2019 at 5:23:14 PM permalink
For starters, I like the name "3 Card Fury". The side bet is interesting, paying on both 3 and 4 card combinations. I got a 3-card straight flush on my second hand so that was enticing. I need to sit down with this when I have more time.

Also the table art is amusing with a 4th card ace up the sleeve. Clever.
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January 29th, 2019 at 5:57:09 PM permalink
I played it for a while a few days ago and found it to be one of the best 3 card variations I've played and much more fun than regular Three Card Poker.

Three Card Poker is a dying game, so I wonder if this can add a little life back into it. I would definitely play it if I saw it somewhere.


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January 29th, 2019 at 7:02:24 PM permalink
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I played it for a while a few days ago and found it to be one of the best 3 card variations I've played and much more fun than regular Three Card Poker.

I also agree 100%
Quote: Zcore13

Three Card Poker is a dying game, so I wonder if this can add a little life back into it.

3CP had a great run to say the least.
I used to deal 3CP by hand (in the late 1990s) before the shufflers took over and remember many wonderful sessions from that. shufflers kind of removed some of the sparks to the game.

This game has the coolness that the player gets the extra card. great to turn the table, so to speak. Many will play this game and play instead of maybe 4 card poker.
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I would definitely play it if I saw it somewhere.

sure bet
enjoyed the demo game
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January 29th, 2019 at 7:28:38 PM permalink
That seems to be the trend; the original carnival games are being riffed on the same way they themselves riffed on the old traditional games.

For example Caribbean Poker begat Russian Poker which begat Lunar Poker. Oddly, the whole point of tweeking CP in the first place was to force the dealer to draw and qualify so your big hand would pay off. Yet the current version off LP won't let you do this.
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