a quesiton about positive paytables
October 30th, 2011 at 12:26:15 PM
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Is there any video poker game that is NOT a progressive that has a positive paytable without including a royal flush? What is the game?
I am familiar with most games including 9/6 JOB, 8/5 bonus, the various DDB, TDB, DW, DB games, but I don't know of any game that is "positive" overall unless a royal flush is hit.
On another message board someone claims such a game, with a positive paytable without a royal, exists -- and it is not a progressive game.
thanks.
I am familiar with most games including 9/6 JOB, 8/5 bonus, the various DDB, TDB, DW, DB games, but I don't know of any game that is "positive" overall unless a royal flush is hit.
On another message board someone claims such a game, with a positive paytable without a royal, exists -- and it is not a progressive game.
thanks.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:43:20 PM
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No such game in general circulation exists. All the games you mentioned require a royal flush to get into positive territory.
That said, there may be a game somewhere with a mis-set paytable, or a faulty card reader that gives twice as much points or somesuch, and that could be positive without the royal. But that person will probably keep that machine to themselves.
That said, there may be a game somewhere with a mis-set paytable, or a faulty card reader that gives twice as much points or somesuch, and that could be positive without the royal. But that person will probably keep that machine to themselves.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
October 30th, 2011 at 12:50:56 PM
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The Royal accounts for about 2% of RTP, so exclusive of royal you'd need to find a paytable that is >98%. It's easy to conceive of such a game, but I don't know whether any have made it onto the floor anywhere. If so, it'd likely be a mistake.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
October 30th, 2011 at 1:05:12 PM
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The Loose Deuces game at the Fitzgerald's comes very close.
Return with royal = 101.60%
Royal return = 1.77%
Return without royal = 99.84%
Return with royal = 101.60%
Royal return = 1.77%
Return without royal = 99.84%
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 30th, 2011 at 1:31:43 PM
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So Wizard, you can confirm that if there is a non-progressive video poker game that returns greater than 100% without a royal that it is a fluke or an error or a misprogrammed machine and not a "regular production model" (if I can use that term)? May we call this particular machine, IF it exists, a "miracle machine"?
October 31st, 2011 at 3:32:03 PM
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Quote: WizardThe Loose Deuces game at the Fitzgerald's comes very close.
Return with royal = 101.60%
Royal return = 1.77%
Return without royal = 99.84%
Couldn't you possibly turn it positive by considering a royal as just a flush and adjusting your strategy? Say, hold a pair over 3RF or even 4RF in some games. Wiz could calculate that if only he had the time.
