GaryJKoehler
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July 31st, 2021 at 8:59:16 AM permalink
Acres Manufacturing’s poker analyzer helps operators ID advantage players:

https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/acres-manufacturings-poker-analyzer-helps-operators-id-advantage-players/
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July 31st, 2021 at 9:06:19 AM permalink
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Acres Manufacturing’s poker analyzer helps operators ID advantage players:

https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/acres-manufacturings-poker-analyzer-helps-operators-id-advantage-players/



Laughable. I don't see how this could possibly backfire. Do you know an easy way to win low-level bowling leagues?
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July 31st, 2021 at 9:24:35 AM permalink
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Acres Manufacturing’s poker analyzer helps operators ID advantage players:

https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/acres-manufacturings-poker-analyzer-helps-operators-id-advantage-players/



i am very skeptical of this being practicle in todays environment. i don't think 90% of the video poker machines are capable of this. i would love to speak to someone at Acres about this. unless they are installing cameras or video encoders i can't imagine it working on most games.
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July 31st, 2021 at 9:27:22 AM permalink
Here are a few other immediate thoughts:

1.) I only personally know (or know of) a handful of AP's who tag the casinos (overall) for what the casinos would even consider a rounding error. Much less, when you look at people tagging any ONE casino.

That said, of those people, most of them play video poker terribly. We're talking average, at best.

Some of them wouldn't even have VP as a first choice for doing what they're doing.

2.) I bet what could happen with this system is that you're going to end up under-comping some high-limit, very proficient, yet overall losing video poker players. These would-be players who are going to routinely lose thousands of dollars in a day to you now think that your comps suck and then go to some other casino.

The casinos are going to be losing A LOT more money when those guests go somewhere else than they are going to save by hunting for ghost AP's on Video Poker.

---So, it's detrimental to other guests, particularly high-rolling losing guests who play video poker well and does not save the casino anything because the casino is hunting for ghosts---for the most part. They're going to worry about someone pumping in money at a fraction of a percent advantage after considering mail?

What's next? Maybe some machines where you put your card in and the 9/6 JoB paytable just straight up changes to 7/5, or something?

All of these pencil-necked MBAs running things will probably do it and pat themselves on the back for being, "Proactive," all the while the casino's entire staff is completely missing on where their real holes are. Nothing changes. It was nice when casinos actually had a pair of balls, though, now they're pretty much admitting that they are cowards.
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July 31st, 2021 at 9:33:53 AM permalink
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Here are a few other immediate thoughts:

1.) I only personally know (or know of) a handful of AP's who tag the casinos (overall) for what the casinos would even consider a rounding error. Much less, when you look at people tagging any ONE casino.

That said, of those people, most of them play video poker terribly. We're talking average, at best.

Some of them wouldn't even have VP as a first choice for doing what they're doing.

2.) I bet what could happen with this system is that you're going to end up under-comping some high-limit, very proficient, yet overall losing video poker players. These would-be players who are going to routinely lose thousands of dollars in a day to you now think that your comps suck and then go to some other casino.

The casinos are going to be losing A LOT more money when those guests go somewhere else than they are going to save by hunting for ghost AP's on Video Poker.

---So, it's detrimental to other guests, particularly high-rolling losing guests who play video poker well and does not save the casino anything because the casino is hunting for ghosts---for the most part. They're going to worry about someone pumping in money at a fraction of a percent advantage after considering mail?

What's next? Maybe some machines where you put your card in and the 9/6 JoB paytable just straight up changes to 7/5, or something?

All of these pencil-necked MBAs running things will probably do it and pat themselves on the back for being, "Proactive," all the while the casino's entire staff is completing missing on where their real holes are. Nothing changes. It was nice when casinos actually had a pair of balls, though, now they're pretty much admitting that they are cowards.



if the technology actually exists for a reasonable price, it would be pretty easy to implement properly. my thought is that the technology will be too expensive to implement today. in the future machines i would expect this to be built in. Most people have no idea the cost of technology. What do you think a casino pays to add a player tracking system to a slot machine? If you guessed $3000 to $4000 per machine you would be close. adding that to 1000 machines is quite pricey. i would assume Acres system is also very pricey.
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July 31st, 2021 at 9:34:02 AM permalink
Penalizing players for playing correctly….

I’m not sure why I am surprised when casinos are this sleezy
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July 31st, 2021 at 9:36:05 AM permalink
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Penalizing players for playing correctly….

I’m not sure why I am surprised when casinos are this sleezy



Casinos have always tried to eliminate skilled players. They have thrown out card counters for 50 years.
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July 31st, 2021 at 9:40:54 AM permalink
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if the technology actually exists for a reasonable price, it would be pretty easy to implement properly. my thought is that the technology will be too expensive to implement today. in the future machines i would expect this to be built in. Most people have no idea the cost of technology. What do you think a casino pays to add a player tracking system to a slot machine? If you guessed $3000 to $4000 per machine you would be close. adding that to 1000 machines is quite pricey. i would assume Acres system is also very pricey.



There's also that. It just amazes me that, with all of the tech Wizardry out there, nobody working for any of these casino companies even knows how to do simple algebra. If your goal is to stop AP, then that's REALLY easy to do. I could go into a casino and AP-proof the machine side of operations completely in about an hour.

Maybe not an hour. The machines themselves, yes, but then there's the matter of getting the different operating departments to actually communicate with each other once in a while.

And, then you have Table Games. The casinos make no bones about the fact that they are willing to offer terrible games anymore, so do you know how to end hole carding? It's easy. Just don't have any hole cards. Varying based on the game and what stage the game is in, cards don't come out until players have made their decisions at the current play point. Non-AP's seem like they will put up with most anything.

I'd have guessed a couple-few million, so I guess the accuracy of my guess just depends on the size of the casino.

Even that doesn't matter. Get management that actually knows something about gambling. And math. That's really all you have to do.

I'll have entire rows of a dozen or two dozen VP games all at 99.5%, or better...only catch is they don't even take players club cards.
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July 31st, 2021 at 9:41:33 AM permalink
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Casinos have always tried to eliminate skilled players. They have thrown out card counters for 50 years.



And, in so doing, also focused on some micro area which isn't even really where they're getting tanned. Nothing changes.
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July 31st, 2021 at 10:11:42 AM permalink
Most VP games have some draw combos that only a skilled player would notice. A detection system only needs to trigger when the correct draw is made.

Set it to detect 5 or such different kind of those draws, and then it sends a notification.

Or conversely, you could trigger it to ignore after someone has made several mistakes.
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