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AlanMendelson
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May 3rd, 2020 at 11:47:19 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

What made you think some variation of VP martingale that's varying from optimal strategy was a good story?

You may not have made money directly from anything he was selling however it added content and traffic to your site.



If you look at my videos and if you look at the articles on my website there is NOTHING about the alleged Martingale system.

My videos were mostly a record of Singer's "special plays" which mostly involved maximizing your chance of drawing quads, and there was a long interview about subjects such as quitting when ahead and are the machines truly random.

All the discussion about Martingale happened on forums AFTER my interviews and videos appeared.

Frankly I never interviewed Singer about that aspect of his play. What interested me were his beliefs about machines not being random and what his special plays were.

I know you're trying to make me look bad even today but ease up, buddy. My mistakes were not about endorsing his play. My mistakes were about accepting his claims of big profits.

Check my website. Read my articles. Don't just watch the videos. In my articles -- and they are dated -- I made it clear I didn't endorse his system. And as I said a hundred times on forums I never played his system and to this day I still don't know how he increases and decreases his bets.

So if you're still trying to attack me, quit it.
AlanMendelson
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May 3rd, 2020 at 11:55:22 PM permalink
Quote: redietz

For the same reasons, I think, that radio shows, TV shows, and book publishers fell all over Uri Geller, whose big claim to fame was "bending spoons with his mind." LOL. Anything quirky and not normal gets the ink.

Not being an aficionado of video poker, I don't know when the Nestor/Kane article appeared. So how long after the article saw publication do "Singer" contact Alan?



Singer had his meeting with me in May of 2019 which was about five years AFTER the publication of the article in Wired.

You'll find articles from Singer and me appropriately dated on my website to show this timeline.
AxelWolf
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May 3rd, 2020 at 11:56:29 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

If you look at my videos and if you look at the articles on my website there is NOTHING about the alleged Martingale system.

My videos were mostly a record of Singer's "special plays" which mostly involved maximizing your chance of drawing quads, and there was a long interview about subjects such as quitting when ahead and are the machines truly random.

All the discussion about Martingale happened on forums AFTER my interviews and videos appeared.

Frankly I never interviewed Singer about that aspect of his play. What interested me were his beliefs about machines not being random and what his special plays were.

I know you're trying to make me look bad even today but ease up, buddy. My mistakes were not about endorsing his play. My mistakes were about accepting his claims of big profits.

Check my website. Read my articles. Don't just watch the videos. In my articles -- and they are dated -- I made it clear I didn't endorse his system. And as I said a hundred times on forums I never played his system and to this day I still don't know how he increases and decreases his bets.

So if you're still trying to attack me, quit it.

I'm not trying to attack you, sorry it's coming off that way.

Just trying to understand how/why someone can get caught up in believing nonsense strategies when they are so obviously flawed. It should be a cautionary tell for others.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AlanMendelson
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May 4th, 2020 at 12:34:59 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not trying to attack you, sorry it's coming off that way.

Just trying to understand how/why someone can get caught up in believing nonsense strategies when they are so obviously flawed. It should be a cautionary tell for others.



If you ever read my website you would have seen and read that I was never caught up in his strategies. What I did was interview him and document what his special plays were, and I interviewed him about his beliefs that video poker machines weren't necessarily random.

AND FOR THAT I WAS ATTACKED.

Never did I endorse his strategies and I did not use his methods when I played.

BUT I WAS STILL ATTACKED.

My error was taking his word for the amount of money he said he won and the time he won it.

GOT IT?

Read the articles on my website. They're all dated. Use the way back machine if you must.
redietz
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May 4th, 2020 at 12:50:21 AM permalink
"Singer's" strategies were irrational. But so was the idea of some idiot bending spoons with his mind, and it got him on every network after he fooled a bunch of physicists who were testing him.

The physicists refused to consult magicians or psychologists because they thought they were too smart to be fooled. Alan got caught not consulting professional video poker players because he thought he knew enough to evaluate "Singer." Non-specialists assuming they had the training or skill set to evaluate an irrational claim. Hubris.
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AlanMendelson
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May 4th, 2020 at 1:07:20 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

"Singer's" strategies were irrational. But so was the idea of some idiot bending spoons with his mind, and it got him on every network after he fooled a bunch of physicists who were testing him.

The physicists refused to consult magicians or psychologists because they thought they were too smart to be fooled. Alan got caught not consulting professional video poker players because he thought he knew enough to evaluate "Singer." Non-specialists assuming they had the training or skill set to evaluate an irrational claim. Hubris.



Here you go again. I didn't need mathematicians when I asked Singer to explain why he dropped the kicker when holding AAA in triple double bonus.
AxelWolf
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May 4th, 2020 at 12:29:35 PM permalink
In an earlier post I said that Micky seemed convinced Rob Singer played at the double up bug. It seems as if he took issue with my wording so I want to set the record straight. It's always important to try to get the correct information out there.

Here's is his take on the situation.

Yes, please change my position on WoV from "convinced" to "highly likely." And if you want to you can add my opinion is based on at least a few facts:

1. Rob's overall knowledge of the play, something that no one else on the internet has come close to matching.

2. The fact he knew the published sequence of events to get the machine to double up was wrong, and he published what he called the correct sequence of events. And after that fact KJ confirmed with the author of the Kane & Nestor story that the sequence was intentionally altered. No one has credibly disputed Rob's published sequence.

3. That Rob publicly "retired" from professional video poker play in 2009 a few months after Kane & Nestor got busted. Rob didn't quit playing video poker. What he did was quit filing schedule C on his income tax. He still played some over the years but basically made himself scarce in the casinos which is exactly what I would have done if I were waiting out the statute of limitations. Also, Rob never brought up the fact that he retired in 2009. It's because I've been following him so long that I remembered that about him and brought it up here. I'm the one that put it out there that Rob retired shortly after Kane & Nestor got busted. I thought, and still do, that it was more than coincidence.

4. Rob put this story out there knowing full well that if anyone else taught him the play then his story could easily be publicly shot down. I would not lie about something like this if I was fearful that someone could come forward and easily shoot my story down. It would be a tremendously stupid move and very embarrassing if caught. I think it has been over a year now and no one has come forward. I even put out a reward of $1000 for any good information anyone could provide that someone else knew the play before Rob.

I think it is highly likely Rob put the play down. But I am not 100% convinced . Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
redietz
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May 4th, 2020 at 12:50:29 PM permalink
I'm going to shoot down the (4) above pretty quickly here. Here we go:

1) The "origin story" of how "Singer" allegedly discovered the glitch, which can be found through the Best Buys site, lacks any detail, any evidence, and is complete unconvincing. I suggest you have a couple of people who are expert at evaluating written criminal statements read it. Any police detectives with experience should be fine.

2) If "Singer" has been so reticent to come forward with the fact that he used the play, why would the person who taught him the play be any less reticent? Presumably "Singer" had reasons to not come forward. Those would probably apply even more so to the person or people who taught him the play, as they would be even more responsible.

3) If "Singer" did execute the play for employers/partners, but did not discover it, I think we can all figure out how it went down. Not only is nobody going to come forward, you'd have to increase the 1K reward mickey offered by about 500 times to even have a chance of getting a peep out of anybody.

All things considered, I'm not sure why mickey included (4) above. It doesn't make any sense on the face of it.

Now, if you consider the possibility that "Singer" executed the glitch while under the employ of someone else, it covers his knowledge of it, the timing of everything, why his family would be kept in the dark (because he WAS NOT ALLOWED to share info), and why there was no real evidence for all the money he won, because he would have passed off most of the winnings to his employers.

You know, when you think about it, "Singer" did try to make some public wagers in that time period regarding an amount he could put in escrow as evidence of his winnings. He tried to generate wagers regarding how much cash he had available in particular periods of time. And yet that money had no long-term trail, so to speak. Did he blow it as a degenerate, or was he just holding it until he passed it along?

Just speculating here, but if the Gaming Today column was a cover, and his "Rumblin', Stumblin'" books were a cover, then that suggests something about whoever gave him the Gaming Today column if you put two and two together.

If there is a logical flaw in what I wrote above, please point it out.
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billryan
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May 4th, 2020 at 1:46:11 PM permalink
Isn't it against forum rules to extensively quote banned members here? If Mike wanted Crimms opinion on this, he knows where to find them.
AxelWolf
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May 4th, 2020 at 2:49:16 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Isn't it against forum rules to extensively quote banned members here? If Mike wanted Crimms opinion on this, he knows where to find them.

I felt I needed to correct my previous statement. This entire thread is talking about a banned member. Not sure why that's allowed, but this isn't. It's not like i'm relaying random things just because, or something that's causing a problem, its pertaining to the topic. let's use some common sense here. Why was the rule made in the first place? I assumed it was to avoid a situation where every single thing a nuked member posts on a different form ends up on this one. Obviously, not what I'm trying to do. Would you agree with that?

But whatever, I knew there was a chance that I get suspended and I am willing to take that risk for this. I think it would be a little hypocritical to even allow a thread like this in the first place and then start suspending numbers for discussing things that pertain to it. Sounds like entrapment.

Bill, I certainly appreciate the fact that you are the one that might have escalated my suspension. I was hoping it would come from someone I didn't like or someone who didn't like me.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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