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About El Dorado Henderson database. This fries my ass. I don't know if it is as the author suggested, some dummy outted a good machine, or a combination between that and the fact that Boyd just happens to be on the warpath lately. I remember that machine from at least five years ago. Sometimes VPFree kills any goose that lays a golden egg. Seems counter productive. I know they have some "sunshine policy" or something like that, but I kinda wish there was no vpfree. I wish it would disappear. Sure, it's ok to talk about things that are well known. You could say that Stations has fpdw for quarters, no big deal, it's common knowledge, but what if there were ONE machine that was messed up and was giving normal points or 6X points, it would be pretty stupid to post about it.

Something should be done about this. Maybe Trump can do something.

dont see what you're talking about, but that does suck. what would they gain from outing the play? Fame and fortune?

Quote: djatc

dont see what you're talking about, but that does suck. what would they gain from outing the play? Fame and fortune?

It's not a super secret play, but apparently it was added to vpfree2 about ten days ago. I noticed when it was added and remember thinking to myself, they should have left that out. Today on vpfree-regular, the first message addresses it and says it had been there for years (true) and was downgraded 7 days after it was added to vpfree2. Certainly no coincidence. The author of the message, who is a regular and seems solid, politely warned newbies about posting plays that seem too good to be true. Perhaps the Mod of vpfree has some responsibility too. That would be a hard sell, though. Just nuke the whole darn site. This ain't the 90s anymore. We need to protect what we've got. That's my rant for the day. I need to go take my anxiety med.

Loose lips sink ships, or something like that.

It seems like many people on vpFree aren't professional APs.....more like recreational players who play every now and then when they take their big trip out to LV or AC. I think many enjoy the "being hand fed information" thing, same goes with a lot of Jean Scott's followers or whatever. I don't think they truly realize how bad it hurts the entire community as a whole and specific people when they out plays like that....particularly because they may not even realize how good it is or because they aren't accustomed to seeing good plays.

Anyone know who even runs vpFree?

There was some video poker machine that was a very high return relative to the place installed in a big casino chain. It wasn't +EV but it was a very cheap way to earn points. Went on VPfree and was taken out a week later or something like that.

On one hand I like having the information so I can quickly check the best paying machines, but on the other hand I don't want it out there on an open forum. I rather just take the time to look through the casino and find the best games myself even with the time wasting. But then again I live in Vegas so I'm not in a hurry to find the best VP everywhere I go.

Nowadays I don't even play the best returning games most of the time anyways, so it's a mute point. Better ways to maximize EV. NSUD is usually more valuable then FPDW, sometimes airport deuces is better then both, and I'm not explaining why. I plead the FIF

It's weird seems casinos don't even know the machines on their own gaming floor. If something is on the site, then it disappears, seems so. I don't get that.

Quote: RS

Anyone know who even runs vpFree?

I don't know, but I've been chewed out before for abusing other members. Can you believe that?!!! Me?

I don't know if you know Nudge. I hope he's not a member over here. But he knows it all, cries a lot, smokes like a chimney. Plays at Sams. I got on his ass once and the Mod really dished it out to me. Maybe they're related.

Quote: djatc

There was some video poker machine that was a very high return relative to the place installed in a big casino chain. It wasn't +EV but it was a very cheap way to earn points. Went on VPfree and was taken out a week later or something like that.

On one hand I like having the information so I can quickly check the best paying machines, but on the other hand I don't want it out there on an open forum. I rather just take the time to look through the casino and find the best games myself even with the time wasting. But then again I live in Vegas so I'm not in a hurry to find the best VP everywhere I go.

Nowadays I don't even play the best returning games most of the time anyways, so it's a mute point. Better ways to maximize EV. NSUD is usually more valuable then FPDW, sometimes airport deuces is better then both, and I'm not explaining why. I plead the FIF

I hear ya, but like I mentioned earlier, this ain't the 90s no mo. Casinos aren't printing their own money anymore, and they're paying more attention. And frankly, I LOVE to scout. It's super fulfilling when I discover something good all by myself and put it in the vault. Never before has video poker been such a cat & mouse endeavor. And it's only going to get tougher. People need to put a lid on it. Vpfree should be retired.

On one of my older computers I have a ton of pages saved from vpfree in like 2001, 2002, around then. Not even in the '90s. Holy SMOKE there was a lot of good stuff, especially for quarter players. That wasn't that long ago. RIP Key Largo.

I posted a lot of updates in 2014...none of it was "sunshine", but nagging by other members here plus the very annoying format of VPFree tended to make me stop. I'm still one of the last updaters in many places I updated too. I also hinted at a good play in one of my TRs here, but no one even questioned me on it here in the replies, so it remained a secret for a few months at the minimum (a member on another forum asked me in private and played it). By the time I got back to Vegas six months later, it was 8/5 like it was intended. :( It had been a 10/6 DDB bartop at Paris for denominations up to $5. My g/f actually found it first...oops. A good way to gain status at $10/tier credit, I would think, I was just a poor tourist then though.



Currently at my local, 2 machines give 2X points (slot rate) on VP. The machines themselves suck though so it's lasted for at least a couple of years. But given the topic, I wonder if I killed one of their better progressives because I pointed out the meters were high (would occasionally get 100%+...doesn't anymore). It's the only change they've made since I reported everything (and a lot of their games are still good (but not positive) for the area).

There were $1 10/6 DDB machines at the Excalibur sports bar for many years even after it was posted to VPFREE.

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It's weird seems casinos don't even know the machines on their own gaming floor. If something is on the site, then it disappears, seems so. I don't get that.

Video Poker machines percentages are hand-set for every game, every denomination. And are not machine-relayed to any location. Sometimes employees go through machines with paper checklists to confirm settings, but it's very time-consuming.

A time-consuming hobby is to go through a casino, every single VP game, every single denomination to look for errors.
Sometimes, I just look through 5-10 machines each visit because it's really boring (but if I find something set 2-3% too high, I may have the energy to look through that whole bank).

Mis-set VP machines can last for years.

Quote: mamat

Video Poker machines percentages are hand-set for every game, every denomination. And are not machine-relayed to any location. Sometimes employees go through machines with paper checklists to confirm settings, but it's very time-consuming.

A time-consuming hobby is to go through a casino, every single VP game, every single denomination to look for errors.
Sometimes, I just look through 5-10 machines each visit because it's really boring (but if I find something set 2-3% too high, I may have the energy to look through that whole bank).

Mis-set VP machines can last for years.

I was playing at a machine locally not long ago and the game next to me was dark. A tech came by and opened it up, and naturally I'm very curious to see what he's going to do and what it looks like inside. He seemed to have a "key" that automatically put in all the games that were supposed to go in, I'm thinking no chance to make a mistake. But I did see percentages somewhere listed inside. This place has all the multi-game machines and I've never seen any mistake, and I've looked. But the way he fixed that one machine with what seemed to be a "master" thing-a-ma-jig makes me think it was automatic. However, same casino, in the bar, I found a blackjack game on some different machines that was set at 3-2 instead of even-money. It had been there for months probably, in their new bar, and I must have missed it. I hammered it for a couple hours and had to go somewhere else. Next day I come back, ready to go, and they had changed it. Damn. They must be keeping an eye on me. I screwed myself.

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He seemed to have a "key" that automatically put in all the games that were supposed to go in, I'm thinking no chance to make a mistake. But I did see percentages somewhere listed inside.

At least on the older VP machines, there is a screen with checkboxes from around 80% to 102% for each game (different screen for each game).

I've seen some configuration screens for newer VP machines, but didn't pay close attention.

Quote: mamat

At least on the older VP machines, there is a screen with checkboxes from around 80% to 102% for each game (different screen for each game).

I've seen some configuration screens for newer VP machines, but didn't pay close attention.

Ok, I see. These machines I was playing are not sparkling new, but they're not ancient either. The percentages I saw were on video poker. But I was stretching my neck to try to find out what the Super 8 Race game was set at. lol Never saw it, though. I should have just asked the guy.

By the way, the one with the blackjack mistake was VERY new. It was one of those All Star bartops or Super Star bartops or something like that, I don't remember exactly. So, in that one case, someone messed up. I make it a habit to always check the blackjack game on any machine I'm playing. They're getting to be very few nowadays but even five years ago I had a great list of machines with 3-2 blackjack mistakes where they were supposed to be even-money.

Quote: bobbartop

Super 8 Race

I've never played one of the "Super 8" series until the bonus (5-8-12 hrs from what I hear). Quite a few settings...from my friends who play them.

Quote: bobbartop

I make it a habit to always check the blackjack game on any machine I'm playing. They're getting to be very few nowadays but even five years ago I had a great list of machines with 3-2 blackjack mistakes where they were supposed to be even-money.

I usually check video blackjack & VP settings to play off FP.

Worst - even money BJ, no double, no split, no surrender
Pretty good - even money BJ, double, split, surrender (but rounds down)
Better - 3/2 BJ

Quote: mamat

I've never played one of the "Super 8" series until the bonus (5-8-12 hrs from what I hear). Quite a few settings...from my friends who play them.

Yes, many settings.

I know one setting where if you hit all-fruit during the turbo race, you get squat! lol Well, not squat, but you don't get the all-fruit bonus. That was a nice surprise when it first happened to me. I was hot. lol