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July 1st, 2014 at 9:35:45 AM permalink
I was at the casino last week and there were two guys at a bank of 3 Ultimate X machines guarding them and playing as a team. Every time someone walked close to them the two guys looked at the person as a threat. It made me feel bad to call myself a VP player.
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July 1st, 2014 at 1:33:33 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I honestly can't see how this is even legal. Min bet should be 75 cents for triple play nickels, not $1.00.



So you're paying 5 credits for the multipliers but only 2 credits for the base wins? So hitting a three of a kind without a multiplier pays 6 instead of 15? If that's the case, it's likely illegal because the game would never return any state's minimum I would think.
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July 1st, 2014 at 2:06:29 PM permalink
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So you're paying 5 credits for the multipliers but only 2 credits for the base wins? So hitting a three of a kind without a multiplier pays 6 instead of 15? If that's the case, it's likely illegal because the game would never return any state's minimum I would think.



That would not be allowed in Nevada. Every bet increase must have an equal or greater EV than the last.
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July 1st, 2014 at 2:07:39 PM permalink
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If they don't let anyone play, how would they get multipliers?



LOL. Maybe the dumbest team ever.
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July 1st, 2014 at 2:18:04 PM permalink
Quote: dwsblue

I was at the casino last week and there were two guys at a bank of 3 Ultimate X machines guarding them and playing as a team. Every time someone walked close to them the two guys looked at the person as a threat. It made me feel bad to call myself a VP player.

perhaps something more was goimg on then you realize? Or you're not describing the situation detailed enough.
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July 19th, 2014 at 9:27:03 PM permalink
Greetings, first time poster. Lots of great info on the site.

Why is it that sometimes when checking Ultimate X screens the card backs are displayed instead of the last hand? Is there some type of timeout where the previous hand (and leftover multipliers) are lost and the screen switches to card backs? Thanks in advance!
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July 19th, 2014 at 10:23:50 PM permalink
I'm confused how when you switch denominations, the last hand showing is the same. I know I'm doing something wrong but can't figure it out. The machine shows the denomination I selected, but the last hand hand is identical to the hand played on nickels. A guy got on after me and he found some.
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July 19th, 2014 at 11:00:20 PM permalink
Quote: cf1984

Greetings, first time poster. Lots of great info on the site.

Why is it that sometimes when checking Ultimate X screens the card backs are displayed instead of the last hand? Is there some type of timeout where the previous hand (and leftover multipliers) are lost and the screen switches to card backs? Thanks in advance!



The last hand played for that game type is always shown for every denomination of that game. In some cases, people go broke or are looking to play for cheap and do not play every hand for the last hand of the session, but you have to play for 1 credit each to do this. You can also vulture for 1 credit doing this too.

Since it's shown for every denomination afterward of that game type, seeing it is not a guarantee there will not be multipliers on that game (onenickelmiracle's question).
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July 20th, 2014 at 4:11:43 AM permalink
Tonight a machine had a full screen of multipliers, meanwhile the machine next to me had 2 spots with multipliers. This guy I always see walking around but never playing anything sits down and vultures it. The multipliers were on the bottom two spots so he only played those two lines at 1 credit per line. Enjoy your edge on $.10 sir!!! Now I know exactly why I get to some machines and every game is played off at 1 credit per line.

There should be a test before you can VUX. If you're not smart enough to realize you want to wager max payline coins when you have a multiplier, you shouldn't be allowed to VUX. Do you want an edge on $.25 or $.05 + a royal penalty? LOL
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July 20th, 2014 at 7:29:30 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

The last hand played for that game type is always shown for every denomination of that game. In some cases, people go broke or are looking to play for cheap and do not play every hand for the last hand of the session, but you have to play for 1 credit each to do this. You can also vulture for 1 credit doing this too.

Since it's shown for every denomination afterward of that game type, seeing it is not a guarantee there will not be multipliers on that game (onenickelmiracle's question).



Thanks for the reply but I'm saying on a 5 play machine all 5 hands are showing the card back. It's like there had never been a hand played on that game before. I understand that if someone only played say 3 out of 5 hands, then the 2 not played would show the card backs.
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July 20th, 2014 at 7:40:17 AM permalink
Quote: cf1984

Thanks for the reply but I'm saying on a 5 play machine all 5 hands are showing the card back. It's like there had never been a hand played on that game before. I understand that if someone only played say 3 out of 5 hands, then the 2 not played would show the card backs.



maybe that is the case? It could be a new game, or maybe the machine went down and they had to reset it. I am not sure if they reset a machine if it will show the last hand.
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July 20th, 2014 at 8:20:57 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

maybe that is the case? It could be a new game, or maybe the machine went down and they had to reset it. I am not sure if they reset a machine if it will show the last hand.



Or a player cycled through betting options and did not play at all, maybe?
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July 20th, 2014 at 9:37:20 AM permalink
This thread should be closed immediately. Vulturing is an offensive term. At the highest level of play, forms of this activity are known as artistic mining and vulturing is a very offensive term to miners. Furthermore, it is not only offensive but loose lips could lead to the disenfranchising of this endeavor. Mr. Administrator, please close to avoid unintended consequences.
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July 20th, 2014 at 10:16:45 AM permalink
uh oh, we better add the word vulturing to the list that the Redskins are on. Wait is the word add offensive to people who don't have the ability to add?
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July 20th, 2014 at 10:28:28 AM permalink
Quote: DanMahoney

This thread should be closed immediately. Vulturing is an offensive term. At the highest level of play, forms of this activity are known as artistic mining and vulturing is a very offensive term to miners. Furthermore, it is not only offensive but loose lips could lead to the disenfranchising of this endeavor. Mr. Administrator, please close to avoid unintended consequences.



Sorry, but the word is not going to go away on this site. It has been a term in the gambling world for at least twenty years and one person's objection to it is not going to change things.
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July 20th, 2014 at 10:36:07 AM permalink
Quote: DanMahoney

Furthermore, it is not only offensive but loose lips could lead to the disenfranchising of this endeavor. Mr. Administrator, please close to avoid unintended consequences.



And most of us here do not subscribe to the "now that I know about it, everybody else shut up about it" mentality either. It's to late to shut up anyway. Ultimate X has been discussed here for at least a few years. It's all archived.
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July 20th, 2014 at 11:28:21 AM permalink
First, as a Canadian, I only find the term redskins offensive when it is combined with the term Washington. Furthermore, it is confusing term since you also have a Washington redskin currently serving in congress. Secondly, I started out vulturing years ago, but now that there is a mutation or secondary off shoot commonly referred to as artistic mining I now find the term ôvulturing" very offensive to us artists and it hurts my feelings. Although "most of us do not subscribe...yada yada.." don't you respect the rights and views of the minority positions e.g., Ahigh's craps perspective.
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July 20th, 2014 at 12:00:46 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

Sorry, but the word is not going to go away on this site. It has been a term in the gambling world for at least twenty years and one person's objection to it is not going to change things.



I think you missed the sarcasm. But I'm never 100% sure with the internet.
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July 20th, 2014 at 12:00:49 PM permalink
Quote: DanMahoney

First, as a Canadian, I only find the term redskins offensive when it is combined with the term Washington. Furthermore, it is confusing term since you also have a Washington redskin currently serving in congress. Secondly, I started out vulturing years ago, but now that there is a mutation or secondary off shoot commonly referred to as artistic mining I now find the term ôvulturing" very offensive to us artists and it hurts my feelings. Although "most of us do not subscribe...yada yada.." don't you respect the rights and views of the minority positions e.g., Ahigh's craps perspective.




I never heard the term "artistic mining" before your use of it here. I personally don't care to be called an artistic miner. "Vulturing" is a slang term, but descriptive of what I do. I'm sure some could find my use of the term "hustler" to describe sharp gamblers offensive too. But I think that if one looks hard enough, they could find something offensive in any slang term in the English language. I disagree with you that strategic gambling is an art. I think it is a science. If you want to call yourself an artistic miner that's fine with me. Though I won't call myself that, I'm not offended that you do. And I don't think you should be offended by the use of the term "vulturing."
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July 20th, 2014 at 12:15:46 PM permalink
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July 20th, 2014 at 1:12:35 PM permalink
Vulturing -- circling, keeping an active watch and sweeping in at the first opportunity.

Maggoting -- walking by and noticing the play someone left. Done in a casual manner.


(just made up the second -- but there could be worse words than vulture)
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July 20th, 2014 at 1:20:09 PM permalink
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We could call them "Buzzards", but I think someone has that name already :-)[/q


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July 20th, 2014 at 5:57:40 PM permalink
Better get used to being called a "vulture" or "hustler" or "degenerate gambler" or "asshole" or worse..... if you are gambling.
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July 20th, 2014 at 6:52:14 PM permalink
anyone think its possible to make 300-500 a day vulturing?
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July 20th, 2014 at 6:57:51 PM permalink
i found one little sleepy place with over 22 machines- thinking of trying it out for a week
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July 20th, 2014 at 7:06:59 PM permalink
i figured that it wasnt possible was just curious what people really make that vulture- I do it if im at the casino anyway or using freeplay in the morning but i usually end upwith 20-50- I guess ill forever be up vulturing because I hit a royal at 8 times multiplier on quarters about 15 months ago and couldnt possibly ever loose that much- so my numbers on average are going to be screwed up
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July 20th, 2014 at 7:42:26 PM permalink
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i found one little sleepy place with over 22 machines- thinking of trying it out for a week



Sleepy and little aren't usually words you want to have to use when looking at an opportunity that requires the play of others in order to work.
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July 20th, 2014 at 7:55:40 PM permalink
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i found one little sleepy place with over 22 machines- thinking of trying it out for a week

Won't work by itself. These things take days to build up. One lucky day won't multiply even close. You'll get some good exercise though walking 20 miles for $20.
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July 20th, 2014 at 7:57:28 PM permalink
i meant lots of play no real ap competition
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July 21st, 2014 at 3:24:54 PM permalink
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anyone think its possible to make 300-500 a day vulturing?



Yes, if you are willing to work very hard and long hours I think you could do it on the Las Vegas strip.
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July 21st, 2014 at 4:08:26 PM permalink
Question re DDB strategy:

The Wiz shows 2 pair listed just about a pair of Aces in the UX DDB strategy chart. I presume this figures the higher next-hand multiplier for 2 pair vs. 1 pair into the EV. If vulturing the game, where there is no next-hand multiplier, would it be higher EV to throw away the second pair if you have AAxx (where xx is the second pair), going for AAAAy?
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July 21st, 2014 at 4:39:45 PM permalink
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Yes, if you are willing to work very hard and long hours I think you could do it on the Las Vegas strip.



I absolutely do not think you could.
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July 21st, 2014 at 5:03:47 PM permalink
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Me either. You need a location with a lot of machines and then you need regulars that consistently leave multipliers.



I would guess there are between 100 and 200 UX games on the strip. Visit each one of those 2 or 3 times per day and I bet you would be close to $300. Of course it would probably take you close to sixteen hours per day to complete that.
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July 21st, 2014 at 5:58:09 PM permalink
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I would guess there are between 100 and 200 UX games on the strip. Visit each one of those 2 or 3 times per day and I bet you would be close to $300. Of course it would probably take you close to sixteen hours per day to complete that.

the problem with this is the massive amount of vulture activity in las Vegas. There's more than enough machines, but I think there's too much competition to average that much ev. It may be possible, but I strongly doubt it.
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July 21st, 2014 at 6:18:29 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

the problem with this is the massive amount of vulture activity in las Vegas. There's more than enough machines, but I think there's too much competition to average that much ev. It may be possible, but I strongly doubt it.



There really isn't a way to know unless someone wanted to try it. If you find one good one per day on a $1 machine that would account for probably more than a $100 on that one play. Fortunately, the strip has lots of $1 UX. There are definitely people vulturing on the strip, you would just have to out work them. $300 a day really doesn't sound like that much to me. I really think it could be done if someone was satisfied making $18 an hour while constantly running between 20 casinos two or three times a day.
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July 21st, 2014 at 6:33:04 PM permalink
Averaging $300 in EV per day is simply not possible.

The high denom machines aren't played all that much.
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July 21st, 2014 at 7:28:13 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I would guess there are between 100 and 200 UX games on the strip. Visit each one of those 2 or 3 times per day and I bet you would be close to $300. Of course it would probably take you close to sixteen hours per day to complete that.



That definitely takes the last bit of fun out of it.
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July 21st, 2014 at 7:28:59 PM permalink
The EV you're getting is not really that much per machine.
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July 21st, 2014 at 7:35:20 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

The EV you're getting is not really that much per machine.



Any EV above $1 is a "good machine" in my area.
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July 21st, 2014 at 7:45:50 PM permalink
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Even with the 60+ machines here, I'm making nowhere near $300 per day vulturing.




maybe if you added the casino across the rivers 2 machines into your rounds you could LOL!!!
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July 21st, 2014 at 7:56:45 PM permalink
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Any EV above $1 is a "good machine" in my area.



I'm sure that is true but I also suspect that the machines on the strip get a lot more play at the 25c and $1 level than the local machines. Also, the tourists are less likely to understand the consequences of leaving multipliers.

I looked at one machine yesterday and found 9x worth of multipliers on quarters. I know that was lucky but that alone was $10 in EV.
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