Good book for Video Poker
Quote: tournamentkingFunny, since you mentioned it and from reading previous posts, I actually DO believe you have a crappy job....and that you believe it too. So congrats for a good call.
Yeah, when I compare myself to some of the AP's, lawyers, doctors and gambling experts that post on here, when I compare myself to an unemployed person, though, I'm doing alright.
I actually make slightly above average money, nationally speaking, but emphasis on slightly.
That having been said, I also don't make a habit out of disrespecting owners of hotels or General Managers of resort hotels and recognize when someone else in my profession knows their shit better than I do, learning from those people and listening to what they have to say, maybe you should consider doing the same.
Quote: gpac1377Let's compare to the Wizard's subject line: "It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet."
So tournamentking appears to be advocating the polar opposite of the Wizard's philosophy. It's possible tk didn't mean what he said, but tk's overall "body of work" here on the forum is very muddled, and the tone is often unnecessarily adversarial, IMO.
Close. But I believe wizard is only talking about those positive situations the casinos knowingly and freely offer to all the ap's who chase that type of thing. It doesn't apply to what I mostly do as I go after unknown ev progressives. So yes, you are very close in that assessment.
Quote: tournamentkingLottery winners have nothing to do with successful gambling approaches.
Exactly, this is my point. A lottery is a perfect example of a big win.
Quote:By your logic, players like B. Dancer who talk about hitting big winners all the time, are losers. Go back and visit that.
No, I said that most big wins are by losing players. Not all big wins. Of course anyone who plays a lot will have a lot of big wins whether they are a winning player or not. Bob Dancer is just as likely to get a dealt royal flush on a particular hand of 100-play VP as anyone else is. Bob will get lots of them because he plays lots.
Anyway, if you read or listen to Bob and the main thing that you get out of it is stories of big wins, you are totally missing the point. Everything Bob writes or talks about is about playing when you have an edge (sometimes a tiny one)
Quote:I'm no fan of high variance, but contrary to the resident PhD. here in winning, no one ever knows what the return on the slot machine they play is. They can only guess from various bits of information, then approximate after that. There's nothing truly "ap" about that, other than to make themselves feel better about chasing the progressive.
There are definitely times when you know that some slots are positive. PAR sheets have been leaked, for example.
Also, you don't necessarily need to be 100% sure, if you account for that properly. The likelihood of the game being positive can be included as a random variable in your analysis, just like anything else (note the spike in variance though!)
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceExactly, this is my point. A lottery is a perfect example of a big win.
No, I said that most big wins are by losing players. Not all big wins. Of course anyone who plays a lot will have a lot of big wins whether they are a winning player or not. Bob Dancer is just as likely to get a dealt royal flush on a particular hand of 100-play VP as anyone else is. Bob will get lots of them because he plays lots.
Anyway, if you read or listen to Bob and the main thing that you get out of it is stories of big wins, you are totally missing the point. Everything Bob writes or talks about is about playing when you have an edge (sometimes a tiny one)
There are definitely times when you know that some slots are positive. PAR sheets have been leaked, for example.
Also, you don't necessarily need to be 100% sure, if you account for that properly. The likelihood of the game being positive can be included as a random variable in your analysis, just like anything else (note the spike in variance though!)
Your analysis of losers/Dancer and his big wins is a slippery slope. I could make the same converse argument.
There is NEVER a time when you absolutely know a slot progressive is positive. From my understanding, video poker can be analyzed to the exact fraction because the pay table is posted and it pays only according to that. But nothing is known about slots, given an employee's word, PAR sheets that can be believed or not, or even via the word from someone like Dancer, who's written about some way "knowing" the inside scoop on a slot's payout. Everyone here seems to hold actual EV percentage claims to a very high mathematical standard. Therein lies my point. There is no absolute mathematics when it comes to slots, only "in the vicinity". That's not good enough for a true slots ap, and it should not be good enough for you either.
Quote: Mission146Yeah, when I compare myself to some of the AP's, lawyers, doctors and gambling experts that post on here, when I compare myself to an unemployed person, though, I'm doing alright.
I actually make slightly above average money, nationally speaking, but emphasis on slightly.
That having been said, I also don't make a habit out of disrespecting owners of hotels or General Managers of resort hotels and recognize when someone else in my profession knows their shit better than I do, learning from those people and listening to what they have to say, maybe you should consider doing the same.
You'll do fine going forward. You're still young, and if Obama doesn't ruin your life and livelihood like he's already done for so many in your bracket, there's a lot of opportunity that still awaits.
You shouldn't be having a problem with my outspoken style in the face of all the supposed highly educated others here. No one NEEDS anyone to agree with them, unless those who argue and disagree are insecure. But I really DO have a nicer car than probably all of them, and I am a heretofore successful gambler. Those are what's important to me, not using education or perceived intellect to gather the good 'ol boys club against an "outsider". As I said, I know the math in gambling, and it does not get you to the end of the line in progressive slots. Anyone interested in gaming should be able to see that.
So now you think there is a Boys club? If not wanting to be on the Fools club automatically enrolls you into the Boys club, well then the boys club it is.
TK you said: I'll take the axel, etc. approach here: WTF..... You are the one, that originally claimed anything can be faked. I just threw it back in your face. You seem to get things twisted and forget things you have said now you are wildly flailing.
We ask for proof when you cant supply any math, situations, witnesses, references or logic to anything you are saying.
Your breath of fresh air secret's....are not new and not secrets. People have been guessing when things are going to hit because they are "DUE" and have never been that high since the beginning of slots. Go back and read, You already confirmed your "system" to us. I know its hard to keep all the Bullshit str8 when you really have nothing but guessing crackpot theories to work with.
TK You keep talking proof, WHAT PROOF DO YOU WANT? What will be enough for you? What ever that is fine, then we can set a standard, unless you come up with something totally crazy. I can provide this to you. I would expect you or anyone you use as an example use the same standard when making such claims.
Since I have already excepted your claim of a big jackpot(again I believe you) I would love to see a posted up Tax form and details of the Jackpot so we can all officially congratulate you. Perhaps you can tape it to the window of this car you are talking about.
Quote: tournamentking
There is NEVER a time when you absolutely know a slot progressive is positive.
The overall Expected Return and Progressive Probabilities are available for Quick Hits Platinum, for one example, which is all anyone needs to know whether or not one is at an advantage. There are five different ER settings for each machine, so you could assume the lowest, if you wanted to.
Have you signed up for any Player's Club cards yet? I heard some casinos give Free Play just for signing up. There are some crazy AP's who think that the possibility of winning something while risking nothing is +ER, I don't know whether or not you buy into that, though.
Quote: tournamentkingBut I really DO have a nicer car than probably all of them, and I am a heretofore successful gambler.
There's probably a former welfare recipient somewhere who hit the Powerball and has a nicer house than me, the Hell's your point?
Quote: Mission146The overall Expected Return and Progressive Probabilities are available for Quick Hits Platinum, for one example, which is all anyone needs to know whether or not one is at an advantage. There are five different ER settings for each machine, so you could assume the lowest, if you wanted to.
Have you signed up for any Player's Club cards yet? I heard some casinos give Free Play just for signing up. There are some crazy AP's who think that the possibility of winning something while risking nothing is +ER, I don't know whether or not you buy into that, though.
I'm not familiar with Quick Hits Platinum? Doesn't matter though. You should never believe casino information on slots.
I do get free play everywhere, and it's a much greater % than what the vp players get.
I mentioned the car thing in jest, although I am addicted to the silly thing.
Quote: AxelWolfTK i never asked you to divulge any of your current plays, I just asked for you to explain ANYTHING that would give anyone here a reason to believe you know anything about AP slots. Give a good example, even if its a theoretical one. Include some estimated math.
So now you think there is a Boys club? If not wanting to be on the Fools club automatically enrolls you into the Boys club, well then the boys club it is.
TK you said: I'll take the axel, etc. approach here: WTF..... You are the one, that originally claimed anything can be faked. I just threw it back in your face. You seem to get things twisted and forget things you have said now you are wildly flailing.
We ask for proof when you cant supply any math, situations, witnesses, references or logic to anything you are saying.
Your breath of fresh air secret's....are not new and not secrets. People have been guessing when things are going to hit because they are "DUE" and have never been that high since the beginning of slots. Go back and read, You already confirmed your "system" to us. I know its hard to keep all the Bullshit str8 when you really have nothing but guessing crackpot theories to work with.
TK You keep talking proof, WHAT PROOF DO YOU WANT? What will be enough for you? What ever that is fine, then we can set a standard, unless you come up with something totally crazy. I can provide this to you. I would expect you or anyone you use as an example use the same standard when making such claims.
Since I have already excepted your claim of a big jackpot(again I believe you) I would love to see a posted up Tax form and details of the Jackpot so we can all officially congratulate you. Perhaps you can tape it to the window of this car you are talking about.
Oh axel, now I've got you scrambling around in circles again. My apologies.
I have no pressing interest in releasing any of my so-called secrets here. I accept your skepticism.
You act surprised at the reference to your disbelief system when you are the one who went berserk over the RS win someone posted and I brought up. I'm happy you believe me about my big win, but I only keep records from the past 3 years. I wouldn't post it anyway even if I knew how. As Hillary says: "What difference does it make now?"
Quote: tournamentkingI'm not familiar with Quick Hits Platinum? Doesn't matter though. You should never believe casino information on slots.
I do get free play everywhere, and it's a much greater % than what the vp players get.
I mentioned the car thing in jest, although I am addicted to the silly thing.
You mention the car every time you try to make a point. All it does is make you look bad, you act like it is a pissing contest and since you claim to have a faster car that it means you are bad ass #1. What does your car have anything to do with anything, honestly?
Quote: tournamentkingI'm not familiar with Quick Hits Platinum? Doesn't matter though. You should never believe casino information on slots.
Who said the information came from the casinos?
Quote: tournamentkingI'm not familiar with Quick Hits Platinum? Doesn't matter though. You should never believe casino information on slots.
I'm not believing the casino's information, I'm believing the Manufacturer's information.
Quote: TranscendYou mention the car every time you try to make a point. All it does is make you look bad, you act like it is a pissing contest and since you claim to have a faster car that it means you are bad ass #1. What does your car have anything to do with anything, honestly?
Read better this time. It's used in jest. Axel claims he's a better ap than I am. So be it. My car is better. See, we're even and everybody should be happy. You'll get there.
Quote: mickeycrimmWho said the information came from the casinos?
Then there's another point in my column. The manufacturer and the casino are in the same bed, always.
Just wondering if you're aware what your bragging about the car tells everyone else. It means you're insecure at the very least. Keep saying it and we'll keep laughing.Quote: tournamentkingRead better this time. It's used in jest. Axel claims he's a better ap than I am. So be it. My car is better. See, we're even and everybody should be happy. You'll get there.
Quote: onenickelmiracleJust wondering if you're aware what your bragging about the car tells everyone else. It means you're insecure at the very least. Keep saying it and we'll keep laughing.
And I'll keep driving in a car that's way better than yours.
My guess is most people here are not only single because they're gamblers who can't manage their money properly, they drive older cars/pickups, or one of those pathetic Asian popsicles.
How's that make me look now, nickel?
Pathetic.Quote: tournamentkingAnd I'll keep driving in a car that's way better than yours.
My guess is most people here are not only single because they're gamblers who can't manage their money properly, they drive older cars/pickups, or one of those pathetic Asian popsicles.
How's that make me look now, nickel?
Quote: tournamentkingAnd I'll keep driving in a car that's way better than yours.
My guess is most people here are not only single because they're gamblers who can't manage their money properly, they drive older cars/pickups, or one of those pathetic Asian popsicles.
How's that make me look now, nickel?
I know millionaires who drive crappy old (yet still reliable) cars. If you aren't trying to impress anyone, and you don't care about cars, there is really no reason to waste money on a high-end car. That 15 year old Corolla still runs just fine.
On the other hand, I do care about cars, so I drive a car that is a lot of fun to drive and performs well on the track. But that's just how I choose to spend my money, because it's what I enjoy doing.
In other words, how good of a car you have isn't really much of an indication of anything.
Quote: tournamentkingAnd I'll keep driving in a car that's way better than yours.
My guess is most people here are not only single because they're gamblers who can't manage their money properly, they drive older cars/pickups, or one of those pathetic Asian popsicles.
How's that make me look now, nickel?
This is a classless post tk.
Quote: Mission146I'm not believing the casino's information, I'm believing the Manufacturer's information.
Quote: tournamentkingThen there's another point in my column. The manufacturer and the casino are in the same bed, always.
Amazing.
-10 for quoting HillaryQuote: tournamentkingOh axel, now I've got you scrambling around in circles again. My apologies.
I have no pressing interest in releasing any of my so-called secrets here. I accept your skepticism.
You act surprised at the reference to your disbelief system when you are the one who went berserk over the RS win someone posted and I brought up. I'm happy you believe me about my big win, but I only keep records from the past 3 years. I wouldn't post it anyway even if I knew how.
The only one scrambling is from you, in order to avoid any proof of anything you do, say, claim or think. You have continually avoided many of my questions or comments. You are the one talking in circles while trying to avoid everyone knowing you are totally clueless about AP. Unfortunately its to late. I'm sure if we had a poll concerning this, the only votes you would get, would be from the fake accounts, you would probably make.
None of the BS AP's ever do keep records long enough to prove they did, what they said they did..... imagine that. They always have some excuse not to post things or why they cant explain anything.
ONCE AGAIN. I don't want you to explain any secrets or current plays, I just want a theoretical example, I explained this in detail already a few pages back. I think I gave an example of an example. Remember you already told us what you do. You look for jackpots you believe are DUE to hit because you have never seen them get that high before. Or you watch for machines that have not hit for a while and then play them. We get it.
Please quote the exact time I went berserk over the RS win. You keep saying that, I asked you to show me before and you have yet to do so. Its all in your head just like your AP prowess is.
I showed you some links to all the RS haters doubter and people who are way more skeptical then I am. What do you have to say about that? Since you seem to think Micky and I are the only people to have reservations about his legitimacy. When in fact 95% of the gaming authority's do. You don't want to comment on this. You are more interested in being right then knowing the truth.
Without Math or good solid reasoning You must except my and many others skepticism. Remember I am one of many who think you have no clue about AP. I think I just spotted it first. Other people have just realized You are clueless about AP and a wast of time to even acknowledge your presence. Some people realize its senseless to argue with people like you, it would be like arguing with a stubborn clueless child.
It could have been worst, he could have made fun of your Asian Gayzda Gayiata, Instead he went for the rice rocket.Quote: djatcThis is a classless post tk.
FYI. I realized that it was not you, that tried to kidnap that little boy the other day in Vegas, it would have been hard to get him in your trunk. Come to think about it, maybe that's why he got away. Do you have an alibi for that day? I'm thinking $reward$
BTW screw Seattle.
Quote: Mission146Worrying about what TournamentKing thinks is equivalent to me worrying about someone unemployed saying I am a loser with a crappy job, so don't.
Perfect. Bulls-eye.
Worrying about what TournamentKing thinks is equivalent to me worrying about someone unemployed saying I am a loser with a crappy job, so don't.
You do have a crappy job. At it's unpaid, no less.
Quote: BuzzardQuote: Mission146
Worrying about what TournamentKing thinks is equivalent to me worrying about someone unemployed saying I am a loser with a crappy job, so don't.
You do have a crappy job. At it's unpaid, no less.
Took me a minute; you mean as a mod on here. Gotcha. Agree and disagree; sometimes it's crappy to be stuck in the middle of an argument you have to sort out, sometimes it's nice to just have the authority to lower the boom, I would think.
Just saying.
He's not worth your time and energy.
Who is Jerry Logan? I forget, is that RS or something? I cant imagine RS would be as childish as I feel TK is . TK sounds like a teenager. I would think he was young, if not I am shocked.Quote: thecesspitReading Tournament Kings's postings is like reading Jerry Logan's. Down to the pride in the car, the anti-smoking rants and the disdain for anyone whose unmarried.
Just saying.
He's not worth your time and energy.
Great minds think a like, so it would make sense they believe in the same things and have the same over all attitude.
In a way, its sad, TK could do some real AP damage, if he hung onto that 80k and was not so closed minded and stubborn.
Quote: Buzzard
You do have a crappy job. At it's unpaid, no less.
I love this job!
There go's your negotiating power. It's like saying I love this car, whats the most I can pay for it?Quote: Mission146I love this job!
Quote: AxelWolfWho is Jerry Logan?
Who Is John Galt? :)
Quote:I forget, is that RS or something? I cant imagine RS would be as childish as I feel TK is . TK sounds like a teenager. I would think he was young, if not I am shocked.
Logan was either Rob Singer's greatest fan or his pot stirring alter ego.
Quote:Great minds think a like, so it would make sense they believe in the same things and have the same over all attitude.
Yeah, just there's themes that suggest a similarity beyond thinking alike. I might be seeing shadows where there is actually a tree.
Don't smile I don't know who that is either. TK might think I spend a bunch of time following RS he would be wrong.Quote: thecesspitWho Is John Galt? :)
Quote: Mission146I've about had my fun with you disrespecting bona fide professionals on this Forum every other post.
If you don't like the club, consider the, "Logout," button the door, and don't let it hit you in the posterior on the way out.
Mission laying down the law. I like it.
Quote: AxelWolfDon't smile I don't know who that is either.
Sorry, just riffing on a theme in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt
Why does discussing cars set everyone off so easily? One would think a mostly GUY forum would like to get into such a rap now and then. Instead, we get generations-old comments about millionaires who supposedly drive beaters for unknown reasons, 15 yr. old Corollas, and other rice burners. WTF?? That tells me that gambling certainly does have an effect on what people can afford to drive. But think about this: it's been said that at the end of life, when people are asked about their greatest regrets, #1 on the list was that they couldn't go through life driving a better, more luxurious car. I don't or won't have that regret.
Quote: tournamentkingBut think about this: it's been said that at the end of life, when people are asked about their greatest regrets, #1 on the list was that they couldn't go through life driving a better, more luxurious car. I don't or won't have that regret.
Said by who? No-one I know, or have ever read about.
Time with family. Time with friends. Holidays, trips and achievements. Asking the person of your dreams out on a date. All rate high. The car your drove? Never comes up in all the surveys I've seen or the conversations I've had with dying friends and relatives.
Still, at least by TK's standards, I've completed that part of my life, and in forty years time when on my death bed I can be assuaged by the knowledge I drove a good car in 2014. TK might not agree with me on it meeting his standards, but I refer to the comments made by the esteemed Mission146.
Classic! lol. That.'s good PR. I'm beginning to value you higher now TK. Keep 'em coming.
Quote: tournamentkingThe bottom line in gambling is only your results....
How do you plan to implement this bit of wisdom?
Quote: tournamentkingAnd I'll keep driving in a car that's way better than yours.
My dad can whip your dad!
Quote: mickeycrimmMy dad can whip your dad!
That means you are a good gambler right?
Quote: tournamentkingAxel, go back and read how you got all flustered and started calling me "RS's man-boy" just for the mere mention of his big win in question form, no less. I was trying to understand something, while you instantly went into attack mode. You got your story-telling idol Crimm going for good measure too. Talk about mutual crushes.....You should be smiling about one thing we have in common. Neither of us is one of the intellectuals. I've never heard of those people either.
Why does discussing cars set everyone off so easily? One would think a mostly GUY forum would like to get into such a rap now and then. Instead, we get generations-old comments about millionaires who supposedly drive beaters for unknown reasons, 15 yr. old Corollas, and other rice burners. WTF?? That tells me that gambling certainly does have an effect on what people can afford to drive. But think about this: it's been said that at the end of life, when people are asked about their greatest regrets, #1 on the list was that they couldn't go through life driving a better, more luxurious car. I don't or won't have that regret.
It is amazing to me the stuff that malignant narcissists can create in their mind.
Malignant Narcissism: An extreme form of anti-social personality disorder combined with narcissistic elements that is manifested in a person who is pathologically grandiose, lacking in conscience and behavioral regulation, and with characteristic demonstrations of joyful cruelty and sadism.
Quote: tournamentkingBut think about this: it's been said that at the end of life, when people are asked about their greatest regrets, #1 on the list was that they couldn't go through life driving a better, more luxurious car. I don't or won't have that regret.
And you heard this information where? Your data to support this asinine claim?
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3640593/
http://addicted2success.com/success-advice/infographic-the-top-10-regrets-in-life-by-those-about-to-die/
http://www.nextavenue.org/blog/9-most-common-regrets-living-and-dying-and-what-do-about-them
I can't seem to find your outrageous claim any where.
Quote: mickeycrimmAxel, in another thread TK mentioned that he has bought Wolf Video Poker and is now studying video poker. So while he is running us down he is also taking our advice. You're not as dumb as I thought, TK. You bought the best software.
Ya I cringed when you mentioned Fugal VP for free(I dont feel I need wolf. PM me I may be missing something with Wolf).Fugal VP, that's what I use. Not that its a big secret or deal. But, I find what keeps some people from becoming an AP and dreaded competition, is one of the first steps, getting software in one of them steps. Having to purchase something may deter a few people. Now, if its free and fairly good, it may give them that extra intensive.
If you have a RS mind set, no amount of VP software will help, so i think we are safe with TK. (Years of entertainment) I think this software will be just dangerous enough to him, he will end up living in that fancy car of his... His mom will miss him, and the basement will have more storage room.
ONCE AGAIN TK avoided 90% of my questions i suspected he would. the one Q he did answer, he did that half ass'ed. whats new? I called him a FAN boy not a MAN BOY(is that what I read?)...LOL, I'm still laughing at that, both seem fitting.
I have more to say, but I here there is an interesting development over on the JJ thread, I have not looked at yet.
P.S Micky I did my own wash from age 9 to 29 and my cooking to, my mom was a very bad cook, she boils everything.
Make sure it comes with a ***** magnet and mirrors which make objects bigger than they appear.Quote: thecesspitI was hoping TK could tell me the car I needed to aspire to, so I can die happy.
Quote: thecesspitI was hoping TK could tell me the car I needed to aspire to, so I can die happy.
Surely it is a Corvette, or an Audi, depending whether you're talking to the alias, or the alias' alias.
It's been 10 pages, mentions of "the woodshed" should be surfacing any moment...
