Lunar Poker
Quote: HunterhillBottom line is loose lips sink ships. I'm with Axel on this, if you are an AP the worst thing you can do is talk about good plays.Why anyone would post all this info for free like Eliot AND Stephen How is a mystery. I can understand doing consulting but to put it out there for free?
I think they're trying to invite more people onto the ship.
They're not interested in more invitations onto the ship.
They're interested in sinking it straight away; punishing the operators now who offer it.
Quote: Steve HowAfter playing Lunar Poker, all other games are essentially dumb and pointless. I actually can’t imagine playing anything else. I thought a lot about the loss of Lunar Poker. I haven’t felt this empty in a long time."
An AP's embrace (or praise or exposure) is the kiss of death for a game, and its game protection rep.
No gambling hall operator will buy it now.
Eliot and Steve write game obituaries, death notices. Eliot does it on purpose. Steve more innocently, promisingly.
An AP's embrace (or praise or exposure) is the kiss of death for a game,.
Mostly true, but not always.
Ahigh is apparently involved in AP friendly slots let see if that's a good idea.
An operator will not/cannot remove BJ or Craps, just watch and monitor those games. Other games that are not un-removable standards will get removed if they dump.
We are of the opinion at this point that exposing a game's vulnerability quickly kills that vulnerability or the game itself.
Even if it is not widely known public knowledge, too many feeders at a trough will kill it off. Casino's just can't support tables that are ATM machines.
There is a sadness, a regret among AP's about the loss of any opportunity that was killed off by exposure. Others view it simply as a closing of the losing or imperfect game.
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Friend, I must say, and report that many online resources about Russian or Lunar poker, introduced each other in confusion, as there are more than 20 versions of this game. In this game there is a potential, but if you forget the rules a little nuance, it can cost from +/- 0.1% to 2.4% ev !!!
This game is more profitable for the casino. The strategy of the game is very complex, and the variance is large. Therefore, the player may seem that he won thanks to the optimal strategy. For profitable casino players to think so, be careful!
- gambling houses and casinos in rusian/lunar-poker to many eat marge ! Those rules are legal in most of the casinos around the world just robbery! To equalize the expectation Russian poker and good-old-Oasis,
Russian poker must clipped by rules x2 times to be aqal Oasis (according to the rules that are more common around the world is necessary to cut in half !)
So as not to meet all personal mail at the same thing:
if I have to calculate or ev of almost any casino game I always turn here or here : )
I hope this is not be taken as advertising, s information for the forum : ) I regular getting in personal e-mail a question about Russian or Lunar poker.
Quote: DobrijRussian Poker is in the countries: Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Russia, Kazahtan, Moldova ..
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You missed an important country from the list. Contact me if you want to beat them
Quote: flexingYou missed an important country from the list. Contact me if you want to beat them
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Does anyone know if the Barona still has this game?
"ACE, KING — BUY 6th CARD with Outside Straight, Flush or Inside 6-Card Straight Draw. DRAW THREE CARDS without any of the above"
So, what is the hand like with both Ace-King and an Ourside Straight Draw?
Quote: qw78The strategy for Ace King:
"ACE, KING — BUY 6th CARD with Outside Straight, Flush or Inside 6-Card Straight Draw. DRAW THREE CARDS without any of the above"
So, what is the hand like with both Ace-King and an Ourside Straight Draw?
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I believe it is impossible to be dealt 5 cards and to have both an Ace-King and an outside straight draw.
Try defining a hand with those characteristics and you'll see the problem.
Quote: qw78The strategy for Ace King:
"ACE, KING — BUY 6th CARD with Outside Straight, Flush or Inside 6-Card Straight Draw. DRAW THREE CARDS without any of the above"
So, what is the hand like with both Ace-King and an Ourside Straight Draw?
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Well, it is impossible to be dealt 5 cards and to have both an Ace-King and an outside straight draw.
I suspect the wording in this strategy rule was just copied from the rule that starts: "NOTHING - Play as follows:"
First rule
Each remaining player must also make a decision to either Fold, Play, Buy, or Draw. Following are more details on each option:
- Buy: The player places 1x Ante to buy a 6th Card.
- Exchange: The player places 1x Ante to exchange 2-5 cards.
Does this mean that the 1x Ante bet to Buy or Exchange is not a fee; instead it simply increases (doubles) the amount of chips that are wagered on the ante space? And if the dealer does not qualify with an AK-High or higher then the 1x Ante "fee" is paid even money?
2nd Rule
If a player's winning hand also contains a second poker combination, then the player will be paid for both combinations, even if the second combination doesn't beat the dealer's hand. For the second combination to qualify, it must contain at least one card which wasn't included in the first winning combination.
I understand that if you have bought a card and your winning 6-card hand is A-A-K-Q-J-T that your raise bet pays 4:1 on the straight and 1:1 on the pair of aces.
But if your winning 5 card hand is A-A-K-8-3 does it pay 1:1 on the AA pair and another 1:1 on the A-K? Or only 1:1 on the AA pair because the K is a kicker in the AA pair hand?
One of the strategy rules for Lunar Poker is:
Second Decision — Play or Fold.
After buying or exchanging, make the play or fold decision as follows:
A-K-Q or better — Play.
All other — Fold.
While this is true on average, the specific rule for A-K-Q can be improved significantly. It should be noted that after buying or exchanging cards you will have seen anywhere from 6 to 9 cards: the 5 cards in your final hand and the 1 to 4 cards you have discarded from your original hand.
For the second decision, specifically for A-K-Q, you should Play when any of your cards (final hand or discard) is the same rank as the dealer up-card; otherwise you should fold.
Example: You are dealt A-K-8-5-3, you exchange 3 cards and now have A-K-Q-T-5 (Discards: 8-5-3). You should:
PLAY vs Dealer A,K,Q,T,8,5,3 EV = -0.86 to -0.91
FOLD vs Dealer J,9,7,6,4,2 (If PLAY EV = - 1.02 to -1.10 approx.)
Having seen a card that matches the dealer's upcard significantly reduces the frequency of the dealer getting a pair or better.
I searched many websites, and almost all of them say, a 6-card hand like A-A-K-Q-J-T will be treated as two straights. But on Youtube many people says, this hand is treated as a straight plus a pair...
The hand A-A-K-8-3 should be A-A and A-K. It is no problem.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: qw78The strategy for Ace King:
"ACE, KING — BUY 6th CARD with Outside Straight, Flush or Inside 6-Card Straight Draw. DRAW THREE CARDS without any of the above"
So, what is the hand like with both Ace-King and an Ourside Straight Draw?
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Well, it is impossible to be dealt 5 cards and to have both an Ace-King and an outside straight draw.
I suspect the wording in this strategy rule was just copied from the rule that starts: "NOTHING - Play as follows:"
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For exmple: A K J 10 9 vs any dealer card, optimal is "buy 6"
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Quote: charliepatrickI think you wave goodbye to the payment when you buy or exchange a card. I also think the AAKQJT hand would pay two straights, but I’m not 100% sure as I’ve only played it in Prague many years ago.
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Yes, the purchase fee is non-refundable.
Regarding whether it's two straights or a straight plus a pair, different casinos have different rules.
Quote: DobrijQuote: gordonm888Quote: qw78The strategy for Ace King:
"ACE, KING — BUY 6th CARD with Outside Straight, Flush or Inside 6-Card Straight Draw. DRAW THREE CARDS without any of the above"
So, what is the hand like with both Ace-King and an Ourside Straight Draw?
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Well, it is impossible to be dealt 5 cards and to have both an Ace-King and an outside straight draw.
I suspect the wording in this strategy rule was just copied from the rule that starts: "NOTHING - Play as follows:"
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For exmple: A K J 10 9 vs any dealer card, optimal is "buy 6"
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No, A K J 10 9 is an "Inside 6-Card Straight Draw".
And, if Outside Sraight Draw could be a 3-card-group, how about other examples like A K 8 7 6? The 6th card will be helpless, whether 9 or 5.
Quote:No, A K J 10 9 is an "Inside 6-Card Straight Draw".
And, if Outside Sraight Draw could be a 3-card-group, how about other examples like A K 8 7 6? The 6th card will be helpless, whether 9 or 5.
A K 8 7 6 against any dealer card, the optimal decision is to change three cards (keep AK).
What do you mean by the sixth card? The decision must be made when the player has five cards.
- Play (Raise) with pair 33 or better
- Fold pair of deuces,22, against uncopied upcard 3 thru Q ('uncopied' means that you have no cards of the same rank as the dealer's upcard in your hand or discards) Otherwise Play(raise)
- Play (raise) AKJ83 (not just AKQ) or better when you hold any copies of the upcard in your hand or discards, otherwise Fold
Then I discovered this has already been published many years ago by Stephen How on his website.
Quote: gordonm888For the Play/Fold decision after Buying or Exchanging cards I have worked out:
- Play (Raise) with pair 33 or better
- Fold pair of deuces,22, against uncopied upcard 3 thru Q ('uncopied' means that you have no cards of the same rank as the dealer's upcard in your hand or discards) Otherwise Play(raise)
- Play (raise) AKJ83 (not just AKQ) or better when you hold any copies of the upcard in your hand or discards, otherwise Fold
Then I discovered this has already been published many years ago by Stephen How on his website.
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Is this the website:
link=https://discountgambling.net/?s=lunar+poker
Quote: qw78Quote: gordonm888For the Play/Fold decision after Buying or Exchanging cards I have worked out:
- Play (Raise) with pair 33 or better
- Fold pair of deuces,22, against uncopied upcard 3 thru Q ('uncopied' means that you have no cards of the same rank as the dealer's upcard in your hand or discards) Otherwise Play(raise)
- Play (raise) AKJ83 (not just AKQ) or better when you hold any copies of the upcard in your hand or discards, otherwise Fold
Then I discovered this has already been published many years ago by Stephen How on his website.
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Is this the website:
link=https://discountgambling.net/?s=lunar+poker
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Yes, that's it.
