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April 9th, 2019 at 9:36:24 AM permalink
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http://heartattackdemo.herokuapp.com/

Updated demo link. Hard to see on mobile unless you hold your phone in landscape, then it works well. No 3 digit payouts for me yet but got a couple flushes in a row. Playing $10 on ante and hearts, $5 on attack. Yo-yo-ing between +/- $100

The in real life tables have a different place for players to lay cards that look a little wonky the way they line up but Have the cards overlap diagonally by covering the top right corner of the first card down then the second

The tables also have that logo of the king with the sword. He’s kind of cute I guess. If not a little out of place next to all the other games.

The dealers are still new. And so are the pitbosses! One pitboss insisted that the Hearts bet pays no matter what. Even though we had been not playing that way for the past 35 minutes (the hearts bet only pays if you lay all 3 cards). Unfortunately this isn’t THAT a big of deal because chances are if you have more than 0,1,2 hearts you can probably get rid of your cards anyway. It just resulted in a few free pushes for me on hands when I had no hearts and dealer had 1 or 2. They still took my ante and attack



Still hoping for that rack card, now more than before. I would have to agree with the PB on this one. The Hearts bet, as nearly all bets relying on the contents of hands, are just that - regardless of the win/lose results of the play of the hand, that type of bet is usually binary. Either your hand holds the cards that qualify for a paytable, or it doesn't.

This game could have that rule in effect, where you have to shed all your cards in order for that paytable to be paid. If I were a PB just walking up on a game, I would think cards talk.

Fwiw, if any of you players were part of getting that "corrected" to make the hand fully shed before playing, what the heck were you thinking? That would be to player's advantage in a huge way!

So I'm going to go check the demo and the rules, see if they say one way or the other.
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April 9th, 2019 at 9:48:22 AM permalink
Rack card: https://imgur.com/Vas8hCf

Sorry about the crease it got squirreled away.

Definitely need to win the ante bet by laying 3 cards in order to get paid hearts bet due to the second to last - point.

We did not correct the PB or dealers one way or another, we simply accepted whatever pay they gave us (as long as it was not too little following the rules on the rack) and followed whatever rules they wanted us to.

We play there often so we don’t want a reputation as difficult guests or questioning every pay out or anything. It’s just teething troubles

Happy to answer any questions about live play or weird hands. I’ll be going again later this week so I can revisit if there is anything specific we need to know

Post any pics of your big hits in the demo!
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April 9th, 2019 at 10:03:10 AM permalink
Here is one hand I’ve been waiting to get

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/8cGwFgq

My attack bet pays 6:1 for a straight with 2 hearts, not 7:1 for a straight including hearts AND being dealt 2 hearts. I might at least try to ask for the extra unit if I was playing in person
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April 9th, 2019 at 10:18:15 AM permalink
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Still hoping for that rack card, now more than before. I would have to agree with the PB on this one. The Hearts bet, as nearly all bets relying on the contents of hands, are just that - regardless of the win/lose results of the play of the hand, that type of bet is usually binary. Either your hand holds the cards that qualify for a paytable, or it doesn't.

This game could have that rule in effect, where you have to shed all your cards in order for that paytable to be paid. If I were a PB just walking up on a game, I would think cards talk.

Fwiw, if any of you players were part of getting that "corrected" to make the hand fully shed before playing, what the heck were you thinking? That would be to player's advantage in a huge way!

So I'm going to go check the demo and the rules, see if they say one way or the other.



Ok, played the demo. You are correct - the intent is the hand only pays hearts if you shed. Good job.

I encourage everyone to play the demo. It makes things pretty clear, as the OP said.

I don't know the math. Think the HE is probably too high, but that can be adjusted in various ways if necessary. My money drained steadily even with couple good bonuses.

Game is going to play slowly with more than one strategy choice. I estimate 25-30 hph is all it will give.

People WILL be confused walking up on it. I promise. But UNO is probably in enough cardplayer backgrounds to let it succeed.

Having said all that, this game has the potential.to be a breakthrough monster hit. I wish it were mine, because they definitely have something there. Good luck to the inventors!
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April 9th, 2019 at 5:32:25 PM permalink
Wondering what a good ratio of Attack to Ante is? I know you should probably just not play the attack all together? If you play them equal I think you push most hands. Curious that the rack card says “win your ante 56% of the time” so just only play ante + push hearts? Might be a bit boring
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April 9th, 2019 at 7:48:56 PM permalink
On paper this game seems rather complicated and unconventional, but I must admit that I find the demo rather fun. I think I also put down the name, but now see the sense of humor in it, and retract any criticism of it.

I started a new page on Heart Attack, but so far have only the rules done.

Question -- What would happen with these card on the Attack bet, Jc Js 2h?
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April 9th, 2019 at 8:17:45 PM permalink
Just added an analysis of the Attack bet to my Heart Attack page (see previous post for link). Assuming the win for a pair must include a heart in the pair (as opposed to the singleton) and I didn't make a mistake, I get a house edge of 4.59%.
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April 9th, 2019 at 9:00:39 PM permalink
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...Question -- What would happen with these card on the Attack bet, Jc Js 2h?




In the demo, I see that I played Qd Qc 4h vs 5d Qs 10h. My Attack bet says, "Lose." And my Ante was paid 1 to 1, and my Hearts bet pushed.


So, for a pair to win the Attack bet, one of the pair must be heart. A hand with a pair with only a heart singleton would lose the Attack bet.
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April 9th, 2019 at 9:38:19 PM permalink
Played the demo and wow, cool game. I like the lingo already being used here. [It only pays if you shed.] I actually prefer lasts year's Three Card Whist (which is a trick taker) but Heart Attack seems more casino friendly and is something beyond the standard one-decision (play-or-fold) games of late.

So now that I can bet money on kid's games like War and Crazy Eights, will high limit Ultimate Go Fish be hitting casinos soon?
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April 10th, 2019 at 12:59:26 AM permalink
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Just added an analysis of the Attack bet to my Heart Attack page (see previous post for link). Assuming the win for a pair must include a heart in the pair (as opposed to the singleton) and I didn't make a mistake, I get a house edge of 4.59%.



Do we think this game only offers the illusion of choice? Like I said earlier it often comes down to a 50/50 anyway. The only sort of strategic move I could see is always match rank if you can (without spending hearts) because it’s going to be less likely to match on a later card. And of course save hearts for the end/ only lay them if you need to

Maybe there are too few cards involved for anything to really matter?

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