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LONG POST: Finally played the newest game at Foxwoods! Itís an UNO-like trick-taking-like game*** called Heart Attack by My Box Gaming. TL;DR I really liked it. After about 5 hands I understood the rules. A few folks took longer. Saw one person hit a $500 hand. My biggest win was about $75 in one hand. Not crowded at all. MANY people sat at the table thinking it was 3 card poker. The TV post looks the very similar. My GF does not like trick taking games really ever so she wasnít a huge fan. It is a nice change of pace though. I REALLY like hoping for a dealerís cards to be good and rooting for them rather than despising every flip


*** I originally called it a Trick Taking game but it may not be the perfect description. It has similarities to games like UNO and crazy 8s as well. If only it was a casino version of the actual card game Heart Attack AKA SlapJack

I will post the rules as closely as I can. Will get pics of the rack card later. I typed this on a long car ride on my phone so bare with me. Please ask any questions. When this post is roughly 5 hours old I will be on for a long time to check in regularly


There is only one deck!
1. Place equal bets on the Ante and Hearts bet with optional (and separate) Attack bet. $5 min for ante and Hearts, $1 min for Attack

2. Each player and the dealer get 3 cards. Players look at their cards. The goal for the player is to lay all 3 cards. Doing this will win 1:1 on the anti. Failing will lose both the anti and hearts bet. The attack bet is evaluated separately.

3. The dealer will reveal their first card. Like any trick taking game Players lay cards (place them face up on layout) by following suit if possible. **Rank does not matter. Hearts are wild and this works both ways. You may lay a heart any time and you may lay any card on a dealerís heart. You may also match rank instead. Once everyone has laid their first card if possible, the second card is revealed etc. Players will either lay all 3 cards (win!) or not (lose)

**rank doesnít matter in the terms of general trick taking games. You do not need to follow suit by playing a higher card. 4D may be laid for a KD. Rank DOES matter because you can play a 4D on a 4C and for the attack bet you can use it to get pair, trips or straight (although these hands must have a Heart in them as well)

Anti always pays 1:1 or loses. Play all 3 cards to win or donít to lose. Hearts bet pays based on the total # of hearts in player and dealer cards (x/6). Player MUST play all 3 cards for this to pay otherwise lose for not laying all 3. If player lays all 3:

0,1,2 hearts push,
3 1:1,
4 3:1
5 10:1
6 250:1 (6 means both player and dealer were dealt 3 hearts)

Optional Attack bet pays based only on playerís dealt 3 card band. It is a separate bet and pays whether or not all 3 cards can be laid:

2 hearts 1:1
1 pair with a heart (10H 10S, not 10C 10S) 2:1
Straight with 1 or 2 hearts (4H 5C 6S, not 4C 5D 6S) 6:1
3 hearts 10:1
3 oK with 1 heart 40:1 (4H 4D 4S, not 4D 4S 4C)
Straight flush Hearts 100:1
Royal flush hearts 250:1

* I didnít have a chance to clarify/ find out if you will get 4:1 for a straight with 2 hearts in it. I would assume not.


Here are some example hands: Player hand 6H 7C 5C Dealer reveals cards 1/round playerís right to left so x x10H.

All players can lay any card when the dealer flips a heart. Save your hearts and lay something else. IMO lay a 10 if you have it because itís less likely to match later. Say the 7C. Next dealer card is X 4D 10H.

Now we MUST lay our 6H because we can not follow the suit D and we do not have a 4. In order to win the anti bet we must lay our final card 5C. The dealer must have any Heart, any Club, or a 5 for us to play it.

Dealer flips 2D. We can not play our final card 5C because it does not match in rank or suit and the dealer did not flip a heart. Lose ANTI and Hearts bet because we did not lay all 3. Win 6:1 for the attack bet for being dealt a straight w/ a heart in it

NEW HAND: 7C 4H KS vs X X 5C
1. May lay 7C or 4H. Save hearts for when you canít follow suit. Lay 7C

2. 4H KS vs X 10H 5C. We can lay any card on a heart. If we lay the KS we will automatically win the hand because we can lay our final 4H on any card. Lay KS

3. 4H vs 4D 10H 5C. Lay our final card 4H on 4D. We win the 1:1 on anti for laying all 3 cards. Push Hearts for 2 hearts total our 4H + dealer 10H lose attack bet for no qualifying hand

New Hand: 2C 6H 10H vs X X QH

1. If the dealers first card allows us to play the 2C then we can instantly lay all 3 cards b/c our other 2 hearts can go on anything. Lucky itís a QH. Hand has good potential for Hearts bet if dealer can flip more hearts!. Lay 2C

2. 6H 10H vs x AS QH lay either card doesnít matter.

3 6H vs JH AS QH yes another Heart! We automatically lay our 3rd card and get paid 1:1 anti, 3:1 hearts for 4 total hearts and 2:1 for attack bet for being dealt 2 Hearts (NO straight flush payout because it is PLAYERS CARDS ONLY)

Modify previous hand slightly. If dealers first card was not a QD. forced to play our heart. Middle card AS play our second heart. Now we have just a 2C. To win Heart and anti the final dealer card must be a 2, a C or a Heart.

Instant loss hand JC KS 4S vs dealer X X 3D
We can not lay any cards on 3D because we donít match suit, rank or have a wild Heart. Lose all bets immediately.


In general an all black hand is bad. You can still get lucky if the dealer flips a heart or happens to match a rank or your suits. Laying 3 black wonít pay anything except the 1;1 anti unless the dealer has 3 hearts, then Heart bet pays 1:1. This is true for any hand where you donít have any hearts.

A hand with all hearts is an instant win hand. You will be able to lay all 3 no matter what. At this point you are getting 1:1 for the ante and Hearts, and 10:1 on the attack (if you play it). Now you are hoping for the dealer to flip hearts as well. If he flips one you increase from 1:1->3:1 a second heart in his hand is a second 10:1 payout and if he flips that lovely and rare 3rd heart for a total of 6 between the 2 of you, 250:1.


Please ask any questions and I will do my best! To ask about specific hands I will assume the dealer cards are revealed right to left as they are at the table.
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April 8th, 2019 at 8:58:28 PM permalink
Quote: GBAM

LONG POST: Finally played the newest game at Foxwoods! Itís a trick taking game called Heart Attack by My Box Gaming. TL;DR I really liked it. After about 5 hands I understood the rules. A few folks took longer. Saw one person hit a $500 hand. My biggest win was about $75 in one hand. Not crowded at all. MANY people sat at the table thinking it was 3 card poker. The TV post looks the very similar. My GF does not like trick taking games really ever so she wasnít a huge fan. It is a nice change of pace though. I REALLY like hoping for a dealerís cards to be good and rooting for them rather than despising every flip.

I will post the rules as closely as I can. Will get pics of the rack card later. I typed this on a long car ride on my phone so bare with me. Please ask any questions. When this post is roughly 5 hours old I will be on for a long time to check in regularly


There is only one deck!
1. Place equal bets on the Ante and Hearts bet with optional (and separate) Attack bet. $5 min.

2. Each player and the dealer get 3 cards. Players look at their cards. The goal for the player is to lay all 3 cards. Doing this will win 1:1 on the anti. Failing will lose both the anti and hearts bet. The attack bet is evaluated separately.

3. The dealer will reveal their first card. Like any trick taking game Players lay cards (place them face up on layout) by following suit if possible. Rank does not matter. Hearts are wild and this works both ways. You may lay a heart any time and you may lay any card on a dealerís heart. You may also match rank instead. Once everyone has laid their first card if possible, the second card is revealed etc. Players will either lay all 3 cards (win!) or not (lose)

Anti always pays 1:1 or loses. Play all 3 cards to win or donít to lose. Hearts bet pays based on the total # of hearts in player and dealer cards (x/6). Player MUST play all 3 cards for this to pay otherwise lose for not laying all 3. If player lays all 3:

0,1,2 hearts push,
3 1:1,
4 3:1
5 10:1
6 250:1 (6 means both player and dealer were dealt 3 hearts)

Optional Attack bet pays based only on playerís dealt 3 card band. It is a separate bet and pays whether or not all 3 cards can be laid:

2 hearts 1:1
1 pair with a heart (10H 10S, not 10C 10S) 2:1
Straight with 1 or 2 hearts (4H 5C 6S, not 4C 5D 6S) 6:1
3 hearts 10:1
3 oK with 1 heart 40:1 (4H 4D 4S, not 4D 4S 4C)
Straight flush Hearts 100:1
Royal flush hearts 250:1


Here are some example hands: Player hand 6H 7C 5C Dealer reveals cards 1/round playerís right to left so x x10H.

All players can lay any card when the dealer flips a heart. Save your hearts and lay something else. IMO lay a 10 if you have it because itís less likely to match later. Say the 7C. Next dealer card is X 4D 10H.

Now we MUST lay our 6H because we can not follow the suit D and we do not have a 4. In order to win the anti bet we must lay our final card 5C. The dealer must have any Heart, any Club, or a 5 for us to play it.

Dealer flips 2D. We can not play our final card 5C because it does not match in rank or suit and the dealer did not flip a heart. Lose ANTI and Hearts bet because we did not lay all 3. Win 6:1 for the attack bet for being dealt a straight w/ a heart in it

NEW HAND: 7C 4H KS vs X X 5C
1. May lay 7C or 4H. Save hearts for when you canít follow suit. Lay 7C

2. 4H KS vs X 10H 5C. We can lay any card on a heart. If we lay the KS we will automatically win the hand because we can lay our final 4H on any card. Lay KS

3. 4H vs 4D 10H 5C. Lay our final card 4H on 4D. We win the 1:1 on anti for laying all 3 cards. Push Hearts for 2 hearts total our 4H + dealer 10H lose attack bet for no qualifying hand

New Hand: 2C 6H 10H vs X X QH

1. If the dealers first card allows us to play the 2C then we can instantly lay all 3 cards b/c our other 2 hearts can go on anything. Lucky itís a QH. Hand has good potential for Hearts bet if dealer can flip more hearts!. Lay 2C

2. 6H 10H vs x AS QH lay either card doesnít matter.

3 6H vs JH AS QH yes another Heart! We automatically lay our 3rd card and get paid 1:1 anti, 3:1 hearts for 4 total hearts and 2:1 for attack bet for being dealt 2 Hearts (NO straight flush payout because it is PLAYERS CARDS ONLY)

Modify previous hand slightly. If dealers first card was not a QD. forced to play our heart. Middle card AS play our second heart. Now we have just a 2C. To win Heart and anti the final dealer card must be a 2, a C or a Heart.

Instant loss hand JC KS 4S vs dealer X X 3D
We can not lay any cards on 3D because we donít match suit, rank or have a wild Heart. Lose all bets immediately.

In general an all black hand is bad. You can still get lucky if the dealer flips a heart or 2, or happens to match a rank or your suits. Laying 3 black wonít pay anything except the 1;1 anti unless the dealer has 3 red cards, then Heart bet pays 1:1


Please ask any questions and I will do my best! To ask about specific hands I will assume the dealer cards are revealed right to left as they are at the table.




Finally someone finds a way to get the game UNO placed in a casino
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April 8th, 2019 at 10:05:49 PM permalink
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Finally someone finds a way to get the game UNO placed in a casino



Yeah thanks for writing that. OP called it a trick-taking game and that confused me.
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April 9th, 2019 at 1:01:55 AM permalink
For some reason my links wonít show up but there is a playable demo: http://heartattackdemo.herokuapp.com/

Most hands you bet 3 units to win one. I forgot to mention that there is a progressive as well, based on your 3 card dealt hand. It pays $30 for a straight (no heart requirement) and increases from there. Sorry I canít remember much of what the middle looked like Major jackpot was at $9,000 w/ 5000 envy for a QKA of Spades
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April 9th, 2019 at 1:10:54 AM permalink
Thanks very much for the detailed write-up, GBAM!

Sounds kind of fun. Certainly different. I would probably have to play it before I knew if I liked it.

Kind of a confusion of values in it. rank doesn't matter, except when it does to pair a card, and again to make a straight. Odd bit of poker hands mixed with stuff in the Attack bet, and some obvious better hands left out, maybe to make the paytable work. I think players may have a tough time sorting out what they've gotten, but maybe not.

Best of luck to the inventors. I'll be very interested in the rack card when you get the chance to post it.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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April 9th, 2019 at 1:32:29 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Thanks very much for the detailed write-up, GBAM!

Sounds kind of fun. Certainly different. I would probably have to play it before I knew if I liked it.

Kind of a confusion of values in it. rank doesn't matter, except when it does to pair a card, and again to make a straight. Odd bit of poker hands mixed with stuff in the Attack bet, and some obvious better hands left out, maybe to make the paytable work. I think players may have a tough time sorting out what they've gotten, but maybe not.

Best of luck to the inventors. I'll be very interested in the rack card when you get the chance to post it.




No problem! Thanks!
I posted a link, or tried, it wonít let me. To a demo a few posts up.

As far as rank mattering or not, I just wanted to clarify because some trick taking games require to follow suit AND play higher if possible. 4C must be followed by any club higher than 4 or any rank trump suit. In this game rank ďdoesnít matterĒ


I consider myself to be a bit thick and I picked it up but some folks struggled. Dealers were basically playing for them. It doesnít REALLY matter what order you play your cards except you should always try to have a heart as your final card so you can always go out. Most hands basically come down to a 50/50 shot to play your two non heart cards and hoping you saved the right one.

Example: 5H 6D 9S vs dealer showing 2H. Try to Save the heart for last Do you play the 6D now and hope the second card to be a 9 or S or H, or play the 9 and hope the next card is 6 D H I picked wrong a few times.

As for knowing what youíve got, once you understand where the 2 pay tables line up itís not too tricky. One thing I think they shouldíve done is placed the Hearts Payout table on the right side next to the Hearts bet. Instead they have the attack and Hearts pay tables stacked vertically next to the anti bet. So itís not immediately obvious which spot pays what, especially once you cover them with money and forget what they are called.
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April 9th, 2019 at 1:41:30 AM permalink
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Yeah thanks for writing that. OP called it a trick-taking game and that confused me.



Trick taking games are a popular and old group of card games where in general one player ďleadsĒ with any card then all other players must follow suit or play a trump card (wild suit) then the round(trick) ends and depending on the game the player gets a point, takes the cards, gets to start next etc.

Maybe youíve played one but just didnít know the term. Hearts, Whist, Bridge, Asshole, Spades are all trick taking games

My GF doesnít like them because the scoring is usually complex and (hope I donít offend anyone) they are played exclusively in retirement homes. She does like hearts though and I SUCK so bad at hearts. It does not play like this new game at all though. She was disheartened HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHkillme
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April 9th, 2019 at 2:19:00 AM permalink
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Trick taking games are a popular and old group of card games where in general one player ďleadsĒ with any card then all other players must follow suit or play a trump card (wild suit) then the round(trick) ends and depending on the game the player gets a point, takes the cards, gets to start next etc.

Maybe youíve played one but just didnít know the term. Hearts, Whist, Bridge, Asshole, Spades are all trick taking games



I think we disagree on the definition of a "trick-taking" game. If I read the rules right, this is like a miniature game of "Uno" or "Crazy Eights". You don't "win tricks" in those games, you just try to "shed" the cards in your hand as quickly as possible. In the particular case of "Heart Attack" the goal is to play all 3 of your cards in exactly 3 turns.

The other examples you gave are trick-taking games, other than "Asshole" which is also a shedding game. The first person to exhaust their cards is the "President" for the next game, and the last person with cards remaining is the "Asshole" next game.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/card-game
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April 9th, 2019 at 2:33:01 AM permalink
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I think we disagree on the definition of a "trick-taking" game. If I read the rules right, this is like a miniature game of "Uno" or "Crazy Eights". You don't "win tricks" in those games, you just try to "shed" the cards in your hand as quickly as possible. In the particular case of "Heart Attack" the goal is to play all 3 of your cards in exactly 3 turns.

The other examples you gave are trick-taking games, other than "Asshole" which is also a shedding game. The first person to exhaust their cards is the "President" for the next game, and the last person with cards remaining is the "Asshole" next game.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/card-game



I can see where youíre coming from. I just wanted to emphasize that it is not Poker. If it is a trick taking game itís obviously modified to fit a casino format. I use following suit and trumps as the defining feature of a trick taking game, from wikioedia:
ďThe eldest hand leads to the first trick, i.e. places the first card of the trick face up in the middle of all players. The other players each follow with a single card, in the direction of play...The player who leads to a trick is usually allowed to play an arbitrary card from their hand...In many games, the following players must follow suit if they can, i.e., they must play a card of the same suit if possibleĒ

In my opinion itís closer to a trick taking game than not, but you are right in that there is no accumulating wins or counting rounds or anything like that. Itís the first half of a trick-taking game. Or I could say ďThe goal is for players to win 3 tricks against the dealerĒ right? The play is similar to https://wizardofodds.com/games/three-card-whist/ which is also called a trick taking game


I can see how shedding would be more accurate. I can see the ties to UNO as well and will update my OP
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April 9th, 2019 at 6:49:00 AM permalink
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For some reason my links wonít show up but there is a playable demo: http://heartattackdemo.herokuapp.com/

Most hands you bet 3 units to win one. I forgot to mention that there is a progressive as well, based on your 3 card dealt hand. It pays $30 for a straight (no heart requirement) and increases from there. Sorry I canít remember much of what the middle looked like Major jackpot was at $9,000 w/ 5000 envy for a QKA of Spades



http://heartattackdemo.herokuapp.com/

Updated demo link. Hard to see on mobile unless you hold your phone in landscape, then it works well. No 3 digit payouts for me yet but got a couple flushes in a row. Playing $10 on ante and hearts, $5 on attack. Yo-yo-ing between +/- $100

The in real life tables have a different place for players to lay cards that look a little wonky the way they line up but Have the cards overlap diagonally by covering the top right corner of the first card down then the second

The tables also have that logo of the king with the sword. Heís kind of cute I guess. If not a little out of place next to all the other games.

The dealers are still new. And so are the pitbosses! One pitboss insisted that the Hearts bet pays no matter what. Even though we had been not playing that way for the past 35 minutes (the hearts bet only pays if you lay all 3 cards). Unfortunately this isnít THAT a big of deal because chances are if you have more than 0,1,2 hearts you can probably get rid of your cards anyway. It just resulted in a few free pushes for me on hands when I had no hearts and dealer had 1 or 2. They still took my ante and attack

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