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Wizard
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October 31st, 2017 at 3:23:45 PM permalink
I just heard that the Atlantic City Tropicana is hosting the game 3 Card Draw Poker. Here is a video on how to play:


Direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfxCdhALKDM

I can't justify analyzing this game over just one placement but will keep an eye out for it should it grow. Seems to me that poker variants with a draw option have not done well in general. Then again, almost every new game idea does not get far. Anyone know of other placements?

The question for the forum is would you play 3 Card Draw Poker?
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October 31st, 2017 at 3:51:27 PM permalink
I voted yes, but I don't like to play anything until I see the strategy. I think this is better than standard 3cp.
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October 31st, 2017 at 6:15:52 PM permalink
Interesting . This is another poker game in which the dealer has more cards than the player from which to make a poker hand. Similar to Four Card Poker and Discard Inferno.

1. Can anyone read the two payout tables in the video? I could not read a couple of the lines.

2. Are you limited to drawing a maximum of 1 card? Or, could you draw 2 cards to an ace?
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October 31st, 2017 at 6:29:05 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Interesting . This is another poker game in which the dealer has more cards than the player from which to make a poker hand. Similar to Four Card Poker and Discard Inferno.

1. Can anyone read the two payout tables in the video? I could not read a couple of the lines.

2. Are you limited to drawing a maximum of 1 card? Or, could you draw 2 cards to an ace?


Their website scoregaming.com has all the payouts, it says you can only draw one card.
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gordonm888
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October 31st, 2017 at 6:51:25 PM permalink
Thanks. Their website says that the main game, the ante bet, has a HE of 1.04% That is quite attractive.

The bonus bet is stated to have a house edge of 2.21%.

Over and above winning or losing, the Ante Payout Table on the ante bet is:
Straight: 1 to 1
Trips: 3 to 1
Str Flush: 10 to 1
Mini Royal: 20 to 1

The optional First 3 Bonus Wager has this payout table:
Pair: 1 to 1
Flush: 3 to 1
Straight: 6 to 1
Trips: 30 to1
Str Flush: 60 to 1
Mini Royal: 100 to 1

Pretty puny payout on the mini-royal.
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rsactuary
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October 31st, 2017 at 8:57:40 PM permalink
That's some complicated payouts the dealer has to remember. I cant' see this doing well.
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October 31st, 2017 at 9:56:07 PM permalink
Would also be time consuming for each hand. The dealer has to wait for each player to make their decision in order and many times the player has to decide whether to go for the straight, flush , high card or Straight Flush(like the first hand dealt in the video).

Then you also have the potential for cheaters working together and showing their cards to one another or even deftly exchanging cards under the guise of discarding or post betting with winning hands.

Seems doomed to be trouble one way or another.
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November 1st, 2017 at 12:36:38 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

That's some complicated payouts the dealer has to remember. I cant' see this doing well.


Dealers don't "remember" any of the payouts on these types of games. Rather, they just look at the paytable on the felt and pay it off, oftentimes incorrectly. :)


I think the game is pretty cool. It makes sense, very straightforward, and seems simple enough to play.

With a 1% HE game and a 2% HE side bet, the casino isn't going to be making much money, especially when you consider it's not likely a game for big bettors. Other games either have a low HE (like BJ) but move very fast.....or have a big house edge and move slowly (UTH, MS, etc.)....or like baccarat, which doesn't move particularly fast, has a small house edge, but has huge bets.

I don't know what the strategy is for this game, but IF you usually hold 2 cards to a flush (which I doubt) is the proper play, then I'm not seeing much room for player mistakes drastically increasing the HE (ie: like idiots not shoving with AK in UTH).

This game will move slowly, have small bets, and has a small HE.
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:06:02 AM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

Would also be time consuming for each hand. The dealer has to wait for each player to make their decision in order and many times the player has to decide whether to go for the straight, flush , high card or Straight Flush(like the first hand dealt in the video).



I think that is a big reason draw games don't do well. Table game management put a huge emphasis on hands per hour.
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November 1st, 2017 at 10:25:51 AM permalink
Just for chuckles, here what I calculate for the distribution of hands that a dealer will make, as dealt from a fresh 52-card deck:

Dealer hand distribution, 52 card deck
Mini-Royal: 0.0635%
Str Flush: 0.789%
Trips: 0.946%
Straight: 10.73%
Flush: 15.28%
Pair: 26.52%
Hi Card: 45.66%

High Card hands are distributed as:
A-High: 14.47%
K-High: 11.15%
Q-High: 7.91%
J-High: 5.35%
Lower: 6.78%
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I do think the strategy is complicated and that there will be lots of player errors. For the strategy, you will need to determine what the minimum hand to hit is in each of these categories:

Drawing to 2 unpaired cards:
- No flush draw, no straight draw
- No flush draw, 1-gap straight draw
- No flush draw, open-ended straight draw (do you draw to a 23, holding J32? with K32 should you draw to K3 or 32?)
- Flush draw, no straight draw
- Flush draw or 1-gap straight draw (example: QsTh2s or AsQh5s

That doesn't cover it all. What will customers do with these hands? What would you do?
As2s2h? Draw to 2s2h or As2s?
As4s4h? Draw to 4s4h or As4s?
As8h7d? Draw to As8h? or 8h7d?
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