prozema
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February 24th, 2017 at 5:59:51 AM permalink
Hi,

I started learning to count BJ in November. It's like a gateway drug, and I fully acknowledge I'm still learning plays, but I've taken to vulturing and I've found a few hole card opportunities as well at several local non-vegas casinos.

I've been playing as a low roller, no single bets over $60, and I've found that I've made a modest amount after about 100 hours of play. I'm still not convinced that I'm actually doing everything right, but I figure time will tell as I rack up more hours.

Anyway, I no longer get any mailers from my local casinos. I used to get a mailer every month from multiple local casinos with bonus comp dollars, free play, drawing entries, free buffets, and things like that... But they have all stopped.

My question is whether this is heat or not. Should I worry about returning? Was it a mistake to use a players card? When I go back, should I stop using a players card?

BTW... The people on this board are AWESOME.

Finally, I'm heading to Las Vegas next week and I'm super pumped!
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February 24th, 2017 at 6:07:01 AM permalink
Quote: prozema

Hi,

I started learning to count BJ in November. It's like a gateway drug, and I fully acknowledge I'm still learning plays, but I've taken to vulturing and I've found a few hole card opportunities as well at several local non-vegas casinos.

I've been playing as a low roller, no single bets over $60, and I've found that I've made a modest amount after about 100 hours of play. I'm still not convinced that I'm actually doing everything right, but I figure time will tell as I rack up more hours.

Anyway, I no longer get any mailers from my local casinos. I used to get a mailer every month from multiple local casinos with bonus comp dollars, free play, drawing entries, free buffets, and things like that... But they have all stopped.

My question is whether this is heat or not. Should I worry about returning? Was it a mistake to use a players card? When I go back, should I stop using a players card?

BTW... The people on this board are AWESOME.

Finally, I'm heading to Las Vegas next week and I'm super pumped!


In some places, being "no mailed" is the first counter measure casinos use. I'd stop using your card unless you're already well known by face and name. Definitely don't use it vulturing slots/VP.
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February 24th, 2017 at 10:47:22 AM permalink
Prozema,

I agree with IBYA, but it might not even necessarily be a counter. If you used your card while vulturing and didn't play much other than that (i.e. to your usual levels) you probably killed your own ADT which your casino may base the mail upon. Some make adjustments quicker than others.
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prozema
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February 24th, 2017 at 12:59:11 PM permalink
That's a good point. My slot play dropped to almost nothing if you don't count VP. I appreciate everyone sharing their thoughts.
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February 24th, 2017 at 4:11:16 PM permalink
never use your card on those oppurtunities if you are just starting out and are not well versed in the intricacies at this point
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February 24th, 2017 at 4:25:00 PM permalink
Much more likely than being flagged as a counter is being flagged for near perfect basic strategy, which can drop your adt and such to very low levels
prozema
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February 24th, 2017 at 4:35:00 PM permalink
I'm pretty sure the pit doesn't know basic strategy at this place. I thought I was going to start a fight splitting 9s against a dealer 8.... Don't even get me started on a soft 19 double story.
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February 22nd, 2018 at 5:44:39 PM permalink
To my surprise, one year later... What shows up in my inbox today? A free play offer and even a BOGO buffet. I guess avoiding using a card while vulturing and a little slot cover play worked... Or maybe it was a handful of hours of live poker where I got a bonus for losing with pocket aces... maybe they felt sorry for me when their extremely talented Mississippi stud dealer pulled out the preshuffled Chinese prison cards and kicked my teeth in... None of those details are important...

Now, the free play offer is very low... $10 per week... I guess I get to make a move now... I'd like to get them to up the offer with our losing my arse.

What would you do?

I could ignore the offer and hope they raise it...
I could play the offer in a HD or a spy vs spy that's all loaded up.
I could play it off in a low edge vp machine
I could play some more live poker or a table game and maybe some ux vulturing would look like I just felt like playing a few hands while I was there to play something else...

One other interesting thing... This is a casino that will change ownership later this year as part of the Penn / pinnacle deal.
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February 22nd, 2018 at 5:52:33 PM permalink
I get offers from the local casinos (Blackhawk, CO-not Vegas) and they seem to alternate from bad to good for no particular reason. The last mailer offered me zip after my last session, which was long, and a lot after sessions that were short. I don't think that there is a lot of consistency with them.

If you're truly interested in counting then you need to stay under the radar and not even bother with the mailer freebies in the first place.

Just out of curiosity, what city are you playing at? I think that the smaller, non-Vegas casinos would be less likely to notice, much less catch, a counter in the first place.
Last edited by: Lucca3927 on Feb 22, 2018
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prozema
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February 22nd, 2018 at 6:08:12 PM permalink
I've pretty much abandoned counting blackjack in favor of more profitable options. I'm mean if I'm playing blackjack, I probably "kinda" count so I know when to take insurance, but im not going to give up watching a waitress walk away for a quarter of a precent... If I miss a few cards I'm ok with that.

Anyway, this casino is in the Midwest. I'm there a lot... Like almost every day. Does a more specific location matter?

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