MathExtremist
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October 21st, 2016 at 4:46:51 PM permalink
A federal judge has ruled against Phil Ivey in the Borgata edge-sorting case:

http://www.cdcgamingreports.com/judge-poker-pro-ivey-pal-broke-gambling-rules-in-10m-win/
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Joeshlabotnik
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October 21st, 2016 at 5:12:33 PM permalink
Well, he cheated. But I'm sure that many people think he didn't, because the casino allowed him to (and yes, they were idiots not to realize why Ivey wanted the dealer to rearrange the cards).

I was kind of wondering why Ivey was running this scam, anyway, I mean, isn't he supposed to be a totally whiz-bang poker pro? Why would he do this con when there was some risk (more than negligible, as it turned out!) of him getting caught and maybe sued? Can't he just walk into a poker tournament and win it by giving people unnerving stares, like he used to? Or is the poker world not the fertile field it used to be?
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October 21st, 2016 at 6:05:16 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Well, he cheated. But I'm sure that many people think he didn't, because the casino allowed him to (and yes, they were idiots not to realize why Ivey wanted the dealer to rearrange the cards).

I was kind of wondering why Ivey was running this scam, anyway, I mean, isn't he supposed to be a totally whiz-bang poker pro? Why would he do this con when there was some risk (more than negligible, as it turned out!) of him getting caught and maybe sued? Can't he just walk into a poker tournament and win it by giving people unnerving stares, like he used to? Or is the poker world not the fertile field it used to be?



If it happened the other way the results would be the same. If there was a defect noticed after the fact and he lost 10 mil the judge would still rule in the casinos favor.

Just because the mob left AC doesn't mean it's any less corrupt or a kangaroo court
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October 21st, 2016 at 6:13:04 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Well, he cheated. But I'm sure that many people think he didn't, because the casino allowed him to (and yes, they were idiots not to realize why Ivey wanted the dealer to rearrange the cards).

I was kind of wondering why Ivey was running this scam, anyway, I mean, isn't he supposed to be a totally whiz-bang poker pro? Why would he do this con when there was some risk (more than negligible, as it turned out!) of him getting caught and maybe sued? Can't he just walk into a poker tournament and win it by giving people unnerving stares, like he used to? Or is the poker world not the fertile field it used to be?


I think this is a terrible judgment, and yes I'm one of those people that think how can it be cheating if they did it with the casinos permission.
However the ruling doesn't surprise me If they were "cheating " as you put it why haven't they been charged with a crime?
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Joeshlabotnik
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October 21st, 2016 at 6:53:59 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I think this is a terrible judgment, and yes I'm one of those people that think how can it be cheating if they did it with the casinos permission.
However the ruling doesn't surprise me If they were "cheating " as you put it why haven't they been charged with a crime?



Because it looks like this is being treated as a civil tort case. The story said that Ivey had violated a contractual obligation and it was now up to the casino to state the damages.
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October 21st, 2016 at 8:33:19 PM permalink
Why did he do it ? Old adage among many gamblers " Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat "
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October 21st, 2016 at 8:34:25 PM permalink
Quote: FDEAD3709

Why did he do it ? Old adage among many gamblers " Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat "


Jesse "The Body" Ventura was a gambler?
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
FDEAD3709
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October 21st, 2016 at 8:49:10 PM permalink
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October 21st, 2016 at 9:07:35 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Well, he cheated. But I'm sure that many people think he didn't, because the casino allowed him to (and yes, they were idiots not to realize why Ivey wanted the dealer to rearrange the cards).

I was kind of wondering why Ivey was running this scam, anyway, I mean, isn't he supposed to be a totally whiz-bang poker pro? Why would he do this con when there was some risk (more than negligible, as it turned out!) of him getting caught and maybe sued? Can't he just walk into a poker tournament and win it by giving people unnerving stares, like he used to? Or is the poker world not the fertile field it used to be?

Don't be silly. Edge sorting is worth millions the way he did it. No poker tournament is worth anywhere near that much.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
FDEAD3709
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October 21st, 2016 at 9:17:07 PM permalink
And what a smooth con it was. The eye candy insisted on Asian male dealer. She asked for the cards to be turned. In a language the pit boss would not know what was asked, even if he overheard. But, well, when you get greedy, you often get burned!

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