odiousgambit
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June 11th, 2016 at 3:41:09 AM permalink
you're never going to get the Wizard to value variance over HE

in UTH the variance is very high already, quite enough for me. So that is reason #1 not to play the Trips bet.

reason #2 is that I think it is possible the HE goes to about zero with many of the dealers, if your own play is close to perfect. In particular they can't see their own straights sometimes [some dealers]. I don't have any qualms about allowing the mistake to go by because the way I originally played poker with friends was with a rule you had to call your own hand correctly to win, and this falls in line with that. So it makes a challenge to make sure you're hand is played right, including looking for your own harder-to-see straights, fun for me. If you get a good dealer you can relax a bit for a break.

My point being, if there is any possibility you are in +EV territory, you don't want to increase the variance with a side bet
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AxelWolf
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June 11th, 2016 at 5:31:25 AM permalink
The best reason to stay away from side bets is because Dan wants you to play them.

Hopefully people who play table games can find a game with a weak dealer or something and bet the side bets for cover .
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Wizardofnothing
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June 11th, 2016 at 6:54:37 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I'm a sucker. I love the trips bet. I either bet 5 or 10 on it, depending on how the table's running. Yes, more gambler's fallacy. I consider it my entertainment dollar well spent.



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Paigowdan
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June 11th, 2016 at 8:49:32 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

The best reason to stay away from side bets is because Dan wants you to play them.

Hopefully people who play table games can find a game with a weak dealer or something and bet the side bets for cover .


+1.

Actually, I couldn't care less what people choose to play or not play. It's that if you play, play what gives you juice, as that's the reason for the action. But if you get your juice not from the play of the cards, but from whatever maneuver you can pull off on someone, well then, you didn't come to gamble.

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rudeboyoi
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June 11th, 2016 at 11:39:34 AM permalink
It's really only the royal I'd care about not having a bonus on but that's covered by the blind bet so the trips bet seems pointless to me.
beachbumbabs
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June 11th, 2016 at 1:23:25 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

It's really only the royal I'd care about not having a bonus on but that's covered by the blind bet so the trips bet seems pointless to me.



Well, one big difference is, to get the blind paid, you have to beat the dealer, but the trips pays regardless. So board hands ger paid even if you fold (except motor city, someone reported ). Another is the blind pay scale is a lot lower than trips on the lower hands. Of course, it's the most fun when both pay.
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Ibeatyouraces
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June 11th, 2016 at 2:43:06 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Well, one big difference is, to get the blind paid, you have to beat the dealer, but the trips pays regardless. So board hands ger paid even if you fold (except motor city, someone reported ). Another is the blind pay scale is a lot lower than trips on the lower hands. Of course, it's the most fun when both pay.


Correct about Motorcity. To get paid on the Trips bet, you must make a Play bet. You do not have to beat the dealer though.
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JohnnyComet
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June 12th, 2016 at 12:33:19 PM permalink
That chart is great and I like his comment about relying on the Trips to offset the 4x bets.

"Yep, more variance, more cost, and more fun"

It is more fun for sure but it can be a killer when on a losing streak.
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June 12th, 2016 at 7:55:29 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

the way I originally played poker with friends was with a rule you had to call your own hand correctly to win, and this falls in line with that.



I'm not inclined to point out dealer errors either, but just in case you don't know, this is not the way most serious poker games work, including in the casino. Cards speak.
Romes
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June 13th, 2016 at 8:32:14 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyComet

No doubt the UTH Trips bet is a "bad" bet in terms of odds. However whenever I skip Trips and play the best strategy I can, my "good" 4X hands often get demolished over and over again. At least with Trips I often catch something to keep me in the game or (much) better. I don't play for long sessions generally so if I hit a nice set I walk away. I try to find the 1.9 HE trips table but it's pretty scarce nowadays.

I'd be interested to hear opinions on whether you ever play Trips and why/why not, and if you do, how you bet Trips amount vs. Ante/Blind?

Like regular poker, every poker player remembers their bad beats. You remember more 4x losses than wins because they hurt more than a 4x win feels good. Your 4x hands are usually a hand you have a healthy advantage on, i.e. A-K vs 2 random dealer cards.

The trips bet is like any other side bet, a novelty that if you enjoy and you're playing for fun, you should play when your "gut" tells you to. Otherwise, don't play it. You have this fallacy already that "I usually hit something to keep me in" but if you were really hitting trips that often then your base hands would win more often too. It's not common for the dealer to put trips on the board (or better) maybe a few times per night... So any "trips" hands you're winning you are most likely also winning your base hand.

The thing I hate most about the trips bet... If you get a RF with $5 on it you get paid $250 (50-1), but if you're betting $10 on your blind bet you get paid $5,000. F the trips, you get a big enough bonus from the blind bet if you hit anything big.
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