JohnnyComet
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June 10th, 2016 at 3:22:17 PM permalink
No doubt the UTH Trips bet is a "bad" bet in terms of odds. However whenever I skip Trips and play the best strategy I can, my "good" 4X hands often get demolished over and over again. At least with Trips I often catch something to keep me in the game or (much) better. I don't play for long sessions generally so if I hit a nice set I walk away. I try to find the 1.9 HE trips table but it's pretty scarce nowadays.

I'd be interested to hear opinions on whether you ever play Trips and why/why not, and if you do, how you bet Trips amount vs. Ante/Blind?
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June 10th, 2016 at 3:31:46 PM permalink
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I'd be interested to hear opinions on whether you ever play Trips and why/why not, and if you do, how you bet Trips amount vs. Ante/Blind?



$0 on the Trips, because like all side bets, it is a sucker bet.
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JohnnyComet
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June 10th, 2016 at 3:43:13 PM permalink
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$0 on the Trips, because like all side bets, it is a sucker bet.



I suppose I asked for that, didn't I, :)

I do like it on the rare (yes) chance I'm feeling the Trips and hit something juicy. But that's just what the side bets are made for I suppose.
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June 10th, 2016 at 4:37:50 PM permalink
I'm a sucker. I love the trips bet. I either bet 5 or 10 on it, depending on how the table's running. Yes, more gambler's fallacy. I consider it my entertainment dollar well spent.
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June 10th, 2016 at 4:59:37 PM permalink
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$0 on the Trips, because like all side bets, it is a sucker bet.



But if you find the 3/4/7/9 payscale (which has become admittedly hard to find these days), it's only a 0.9% house edge. That's still higher than the 0.526% element of risk, but lower than the 2.185% house edge per ante. Is that bet mathematically defensible?
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June 10th, 2016 at 5:12:40 PM permalink
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$0 on the Trips, because like all side bets, it is a sucker bet.



I present the argument that ANY bet offered by the casino that has any sort of a house edge is a sucker bet.
I also say that in order to offer the bet, - any bet - that it must have a house edge.

With this in mind, then any bet that offers fun, action, or juice gives the player back something, something that he was seeking.
In this regard, anytime I made a windfall on UTH was because I had the trips bet up on a big hand. In fact, if I did not have the trips bet in action on a fine hand, I would have had a bad gambling experience.
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June 10th, 2016 at 6:03:57 PM permalink
Discount Gambling has a great blog entry about this.
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June 10th, 2016 at 6:30:45 PM permalink
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With this in mind, then any bet that offers fun, action, or juice gives the player back something, something that he was seeking.



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June 10th, 2016 at 9:03:57 PM permalink
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But if you find the 3/4/7/9 payscale (which has become admittedly hard to find these days), it's only a 0.9% house edge. That's still higher than the 0.526% element of risk, but lower than the 2.185% house edge per ante. Is that bet mathematically defensible?


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June 10th, 2016 at 11:02:48 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

But if you find the 3/4/7/9 payscale (which has become admittedly hard to find these days), it's only a 0.9% house edge. That's still higher than the 0.526% element of risk, but lower than the 2.185% house edge per ante. Is that bet mathematically defensible?



Absolutely. Most people bet the same amount on the trips bet as the ante, so they would be losing less playing the trips bet than the main game. Same with the 8/6/5 paytable (1.9%). I think SLS has 8/6/5, fwiw, as well as my local, Hollywood St. Louis.

I think Mike calling this a sucker bet is pretty harsh. Even the most common paytable has a 3.5% HA and most "side bets" are significantly worse than that.

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