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Quote: EvenBob

Riverboat Roulette ... Does anybody have even the vaguest idea of how this game works?

It's on trial in a few casinos in the UK. Think craps and place bets - in this game there are six similar bets. There's a thread https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/11139-riverboat-roulette-roulette-with-place-bets-multiple-spin-wagers/39/

The segments where the balls lands, rather than being red or black, can be one of seven other colours. There are some (8) white ones adjacent and opposite zero - these correspond to "7" in craps; all bets lose if the ball lands here.

Some are left as red/black, but 24 (12 contiguous numbers each side of zero) are then split into 3, 4 and 5 adjacent areas, each with their own colour. This forms six winning areas, and pays various odds when the ball lands in the correct area.

Quote: Paigowdan

You know, Bob, there wasn't a damn thing wrong with the Ford Model T !

Variations on a theme, that's all new cars are.

Better to ask yourself why the anchor games of
roulette, BJ, craps and bac never go away, than
ask what would be a new and better game.

Bac doesn't really count, if there were no Asian players
in the States, not one casino would have it. And
BJ was nothing before Thorp wrote the book. It was
called 21, and was never a hit. People play it now
because they think BS gives them an edge. And most
aren't even playing it, they just think they are.

Roulette BJ and craps are still here because people think
they can get ahead on them, plain and simple. They
think that because they have won some good sessions,
gone home with way more than they came with. That's
fun, that's what gambling is about. Screw the 'entertainment',
give them a game they can feel good about on the ride
home, because they won.

How many of these cutesy new games do that. Any of them,
on a regular basis? If they did, the casinos would be clamoring
for them, and they're not.

BJ tables have yielded space to "these cutsey" new games, look at Teliot's factual based study on the topic looking at actual table game counts over a 20 year period. What facts do you have to support your "well informed" opinion?

Casino's are clamoring for the next TCP & UTH because when they find it they can add another game to the pit that holds in the 20%-30% and pull out another BJ table that is holding 16% on equivalent drop.

EB you should post about topics you know more about, like predicting Presidential Election outcomes. Stick with your strengths.

Do you have a link to Teliot's factual based study ?

I don't think smaller markets, like Colorado, follow that trend !

Quote: Buzzard

Do you have a link to Teliot's factual based study ?

I don't think smaller markets, like Colorado, follow that trend !

http://apheat.net/2012/09/13/nevada-table-games-1990-to-2012/

It is in his book on Table Game Development.

I think you are correct in indicating the differences in regional markets....the one I always cite is Spanish 21 is a huge game in WA, but a very minor game in other markets I have seen. Colorado likely has its own idiosycracies (i.e. Streak that you have mentioned in the past). I have not personally seen that in any jurisdiction except Blackhawk (Ameristar, I believe).

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Quote: Paradigm

.the one I always cite is Spanish 21 is a huge game in WA, but a very minor game in other markets I have seen.

It is big in southern California too. Morongo has lots of them. When I lived in Baltimore in the 90's it was almost equal to blackjack in Atlantic City, yet obscure in Vegas.

It's pretty clear in every gambling area that I've ever been or had contact with their Table Games people that "non-traditional" games have taken market share from BJ over the last 20 years. Maybe as much as 30% decline in BJ games. Blackjack side bets have saved Blackjack a little bit. Without them the decline would be even more.


ZCore13

At one time Streak was everywhere in Colorado. Mainly due to the $5 max bet. Almost disappeared except for Ameristar, which has almost40% of Blackhawk market. SWITCH was DOA in Blackhawk, Crazy 4 Poker, and numerous others.
Gonna try that link. THANKS

Quote: Zcore13

have taken market share from BJ over the last 20 years.

BJ had to decline, it was ramped up in popularity
by a myth, and myths die hard. People believed
you could get ahead at BJ and that's pretty much
gone now.

Quote: Paradigm

Casino's are clamoring for the next TCP & UTH .

You got one of those? Didn't think so, nobody does. Just
stick with the tried and true. Players aren't clamoring
for anything except to go home with more than they
bring to the casino once in awhile.

Right everyone, stop innovating. No point. You don't have anything. Bob just told you.

(sigh)

Quote: thecesspit

Right everyone, stop innovating.

Is that what it's called? Looks like regurgitating to me..

Whatever EB, you would have posted the same thing before UTH came out saying nobody has the next TCP. Your posts are so -EB.....oooops, I meant -EV, wait, maybe I am on to something there....

Quote: teliot

Curious, I just discovered I am the 3-rd place prize. From the flyer:

"Owner of the world’s leading in dependent businesses specializing in casino table game design, development, and mathematical
certification, Raving Partner, Dr. Eliot Jacobson, will provide an exclusive one hour review and a follow up one hour conversation
with the third place winner. This could include expert feedback on the way the game plays, math, marketing materials, etc."

Funny world. Me working alongside Galaxy.

"Second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives.

Third prize is you're fired."

Quote: teddys

"Second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired."

Blake

Quote: teliot

Blake

If Eliot wins an hour with himself, can he postpone for
a more convenient time?