Raving Table Games Competition Prizes
October 27th, 2013 at 8:22:23 PM
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Too Lazy to start another thread :
What is your opinion of the values stated for 1st 2nd and 3rd prize at Raving ?
Entry fee is $3500.
http://www.tablegamesconf.com/images/GG%20Table%20Games%20Add%20On%2009_06_13.pdf
What is your opinion of the values stated for 1st 2nd and 3rd prize at Raving ?
Entry fee is $3500.
http://www.tablegamesconf.com/images/GG%20Table%20Games%20Add%20On%2009_06_13.pdf
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October 27th, 2013 at 8:39:38 PM
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How come Galaxy has twice as much floor space as
SHFL?
SHFL?
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October 27th, 2013 at 8:42:54 PM
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Galaxy needs room for Dan Lubin's ego !
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October 27th, 2013 at 9:03:32 PM
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Curious, I just discovered I am the 3-rd place prize. From the flyer:
"Owner of the world’s leading in dependent businesses specializing in casino table game design, development, and mathematical
certification, Raving Partner, Dr. Eliot Jacobson, will provide an exclusive one hour review and a follow up one hour conversation
with the third place winner. This could include expert feedback on the way the game plays, math, marketing materials, etc."
Funny world. Me working alongside Galaxy.
"Owner of the world’s leading in dependent businesses specializing in casino table game design, development, and mathematical
certification, Raving Partner, Dr. Eliot Jacobson, will provide an exclusive one hour review and a follow up one hour conversation
with the third place winner. This could include expert feedback on the way the game plays, math, marketing materials, etc."
Funny world. Me working alongside Galaxy.
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October 27th, 2013 at 9:06:17 PM
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Quote: teliotCurious, I just discovered I am the 3-rd place prize. From the flyer:
[.
Could be worse. 4th prize is an hour with Dan
Lubin, where he has a slide show of all the
casinos where his game is installed. Rubbing
salt into your wounds for not getting 1st place..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 27th, 2013 at 9:11:47 PM
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Reminds me of the Monopoly card about winning 2nd place in a beauty contest, $15 right?Quote: EvenBobCould be worse.
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October 27th, 2013 at 9:13:40 PM
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Quote: teliotReminds me of the Monopoly card about winning 2nd place in a beauty contest, $15 right?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 27th, 2013 at 9:14:30 PM
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Just for that, I'm going to turn on "Runway T.V."Quote: EvenBob
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October 27th, 2013 at 9:14:42 PM
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Worse. Edit: You beat me to it.
October 27th, 2013 at 9:23:23 PM
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Riverboat Roulette
Booth 218
Presented by: Double Luck Gaming
Riverboat Roulette allows players to play traditional roulette while adding the option of making multi-spin wagers on any of six predetermined colored neighborhoods on the roulette wheel. Players may wager on any of the six colored neighborhoods and also on the single-spin white neighborhood. Colored neighborhood wagers are multi-spin bets and pay odds on winning wagers. Winning white neighborhood single-spin wagers pay odds but lose on all other outcomes. Non-winning colored neighborhood wagers push and only lose when the outcome results in the white neighborhood --- creating a "multiple spin" version of roulette!
'colored neighborhoods'? What? 'Winning white neighborhood' Say
WHAT? 'Colored neighborhood wagers'? Really? I'm sorry, I'm having a PC
attack and can't speak..
Does anybody have even the vaguest idea of how
this game works?
Booth 218
Presented by: Double Luck Gaming
Riverboat Roulette allows players to play traditional roulette while adding the option of making multi-spin wagers on any of six predetermined colored neighborhoods on the roulette wheel. Players may wager on any of the six colored neighborhoods and also on the single-spin white neighborhood. Colored neighborhood wagers are multi-spin bets and pay odds on winning wagers. Winning white neighborhood single-spin wagers pay odds but lose on all other outcomes. Non-winning colored neighborhood wagers push and only lose when the outcome results in the white neighborhood --- creating a "multiple spin" version of roulette!
'colored neighborhoods'? What? 'Winning white neighborhood' Say
WHAT? 'Colored neighborhood wagers'? Really? I'm sorry, I'm having a PC
attack and can't speak..
Does anybody have even the vaguest idea of how
this game works?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 27th, 2013 at 9:26:48 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
October 27th, 2013 at 9:29:29 PM
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Las Vegas, NV (December 7, 2012) - High Card Flush by Galaxy Gaming was named Casino Journal's Best New Table Game of 2012, winning an attendee vote at the 4th annual Raving's Cutting Edge Table Games Conference, which was held December 2-4 here at The Mirage. Player's Choice 21 by Renegade Table Games and Racing Card Derby by Racing Card Derby finished in second and third place respectively.
How are these games doing now, does anybody know
How are these games doing now, does anybody know
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 27th, 2013 at 9:31:59 PM
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October 27th, 2013 at 9:33:39 PM
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Quote: BuzzardWhat is your opinion of the values stated for 1st 2nd and 3rd prize at Raving ?
I think first prize is really good and competing for that is well worth the price of admission. After all, if you've really invented the next Three Card Poker you will probably win first place, get the field trial, and hopefully be on your way. Second and third prizes aren't bad, although you could pay any of the mathematicians/consultants on WOV for the same services.
Where is the field trial is going to be?
October 27th, 2013 at 9:39:33 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
Does anybody have even the vaguest idea of how
this game works?
We had nearly a 40-page thread on it.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/11139-riverboat-roulette-roulette-with-place-bets-multiple-spin-wagers/
October 27th, 2013 at 9:49:13 PM
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Bob , remember the Luck brother ? Retired USAF Thought they should refer to the side bets in craps terminology. They were at G2E last
year and crossed the pond to UK trial this year. I think they were at Raving last year also ?
year and crossed the pond to UK trial this year. I think they were at Raving last year also ?
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October 27th, 2013 at 10:17:18 PM
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Quote: EvenBobLas Vegas, NV (December 7, 2012) - High Card Flush by Galaxy Gaming was named Casino Journal's Best New Table Game of 2012, winning an attendee vote at the 4th annual Raving's Cutting Edge Table Games Conference, which was held December 2-4 here at The Mirage. Player's Choice 21 by Renegade Table Games and Racing Card Derby by Racing Card Derby finished in second and third place respectively.
How are these games doing now, does anybody know
High Card flush is doing great, double-digit installs and rolling.
Player's Choice-21 is at the Palazzo, is a sharp game, and doing fine I last saw and played.
Racing Card Derby has about a dozen installs, and is not moving forward aggressively. I believe this is partly due to the demographics of horse racing.
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October 27th, 2013 at 10:21:35 PM
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Quote: teliotCurious, I just discovered I am the 3-rd place prize. From the flyer:
"Owner of the world’s leading in dependent businesses specializing in casino table game design, development, and mathematical
certification, Raving Partner, Dr. Eliot Jacobson, will provide an exclusive one hour review and a follow up one hour conversation
with the third place winner. This could include expert feedback on the way the game plays, math, marketing materials, etc."
Funny world. Me working alongside Galaxy.
Why not, Eliot?
We all show up to the convention, we do our work, we do our very best, give it our best effort, and be cordial and friendly, - and hopefully make sales.
No one is stopping, impeding, or resenting you or anyone else from participating at Raving.
I'm sure you'll provide very fine game design advice and promotion, being a successful game designer yourself.
Best of luck and success to all participants, really.
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October 27th, 2013 at 10:37:36 PM
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Quote: BuzzardGalaxy needs room for Dan Lubin's ego !
Ha!
Actually, Galaxy is a big supporter of Raving, and we feel it is a strong table games showcase. SHFL is very diversified now, electronic gaming, slots, etc. As for the size of SHFL's both, ask of them.
As for ego, I haven't been any sort of an over-the-top pitchman, salesman, basher, apology-demander, or a shot-taker, and you know it. I'm no Diva. I don't tout my own horn, but will speak for myself and defend myself when presented with malarkey against me, - as would anyone else. As far as I'm concerned, this industry can offer black eyes for just being a member in it, - from the pit level on up - and I've seen some serious egos get some serious beat-downs: from floormen and shift managers at the pit level, to ex-CEO's like at DEQ at the board level, to Gaming Network folding just about over night. Trust me, in this business you're best off just "suiting up, showing up, and applying yourself to the tasks at hand" - as taught from the casino pit level on up.
As for this forum...I see a game, or a thread, and I simply comment on the contents, the game's merits, what have you.
For the record, as for offering any game consultations at Raving, especially as an event showpiece, I have zero interest in it; I see and review a hundred+ games a year, and it's work, no treat. I do this 40 hours a week for my employer and associated game designers, which isn't Raving table games, although I can see Raving providing this help graciously.
Also of note is that Geoff Hall, Stacy Friedman, Stanley Ko, Roger Snow, me, Robin Powell (EZ Baccarat) et al, all with double-digit or even triple digit installs aren't officially consulting with new game designers there, as part of Raving's effort, though. They may be at the booths describing their games or roaming the floor and are also helpful if willing. And Roger Snow and Derek Webb have installs through four digit levels - in terms of thousands of installs.
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October 27th, 2013 at 10:40:11 PM
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That response re-affirms my opinion and makes me think Galaxy may need a bigger booth.
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October 27th, 2013 at 10:40:29 PM
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Quote: Paigowdan
High Card flush is doing great, double-digit installs and rolling.g.
Thats it, almost a year and 12 installs? What does a game look
like when it's doing badly a year after it wins first place. By this
time I would think at least 50 installs given the CEO at Galaxy
called the game 'industry changing' when it won. I also read it
was pulled from a number of casinos for poor performance. Is
that true?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 27th, 2013 at 10:43:05 PM
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That's typical of you Bob, confusing the issue with facts.
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October 27th, 2013 at 10:49:12 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThats it, almost a year and 12 installs?
No. Try a multiple of that.
Quote: EvenBobWhat does a game look like when it's doing badly a year after it wins first place. By this
time I would think at least 50 installs given the CEO at Galaxy
called the game 'industry changing' when it won.
I also read it was pulled from a number of casinos for poor performance. Is
that true?
No, it isn't, it's numbers are going one way - up. If you care to list your source, I'd be interested.
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October 27th, 2013 at 11:05:42 PM
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How can it not be a great game with such a catchy description ?
“Feel the Rush with High Card Flush”
“Feel the Rush with High Card Flush”
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The gem that filled it
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October 27th, 2013 at 11:07:58 PM
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It can be a great game without it, but marketing wanted something catchy. fine.
If marketing were absent, then we wouldn't be doing our job.
If marketing were absent, then we wouldn't be doing our job.
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October 27th, 2013 at 11:10:13 PM
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Dan , you are definitely management material now.
I have absolutely no idea whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.
I have absolutely no idea whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.
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Nor give the heart
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Tis but the casket
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The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
October 27th, 2013 at 11:16:50 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanNo. Try a multiple of that.
d.
So 24 installs. My point is, winning Raving isn't all
it's touted to be, far from it. The people want what
they want, they know nothing about Raving. It's just an
industry gimmick, like the Sundance film festival.
They have no idea what movies will make money,
just like Raving has no idea if a winning game will
catch on or not.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 27th, 2013 at 11:33:01 PM
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Quote: BuzzardDan , you are definitely management material now.
I have absolutely no idea whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.
Buzz,
I was disagreeing with you, in all due respect.
A great game is simply that - a great game.
NO marketing makes a game a better or worse game - but advertising and marketing a game is necessary to help get sales.
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October 27th, 2013 at 11:35:22 PM
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Quote: EvenBobSo 24 installs. My point is, winning Raving isn't all
it's touted to be, far from it. The people want what
they want, they know nothing about Raving. It's just an
industry gimmick, like the Sundance film festival.
They have no idea what movies will make money,
just like Raving has no idea if a winning game will
catch on or not.
Raving helps - more than G2E for some.
It gets the game seen by table game directors and casino managers; the event is a pure table games showcase, without the excessive crowds, the extra diversions, and headaches.
We have a good idea of what will catch on, and we show them for great feedback.
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October 28th, 2013 at 12:02:13 AM
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Quote: PaigowdanRaving helps - more than G2E for some.
It gets the game seen by table game directors and casino managers.
Too bad they aren't the ones that have to play the things.
But those guys are YOUR customers, and the public is
the customers of the casino managers. That's where the
rubber meets the road, so to speak. Everything that happens
before the actual install is just smoke and mirrors, cause
nobody really has any idea what it will take to separate
Joe Blow from his hard earned dollars. If they did, they'd
all been rich long ago.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 28th, 2013 at 12:17:16 AM
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Does Raving's have its own prizes, or these are it?
October 28th, 2013 at 6:12:00 AM
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Raving itself is offering guaranteed trials at 5 casinos, all in the Western US. The game must be licensed in each jurisdiction (probably at the inventor's expense) before it gets the trial, though. Think it's all Indian gaming jurisdictions in WA, 2 in AZ, one in CO, one in CA but don't have the info in front of me or know for sure any of them aren't state-run. Bucky's is one of them; I'm not sure who else to associate with what casino.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 28th, 2013 at 7:01:00 AM
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Quote: UCivanDoes Raving's have its own prizes, or these are it?
Raving/BNP Media also runs follow up articles on the event in their Casino Journal and highlights/describes the winning games. This happens closely after the show and the again a year later before the next year's show. I just read an article in the last 6 weeks describing High Card Flush, Dealer's Choice 21 & Race Card Derby along with each of their progress in getting subesequest trial installs.
The real prize is having one of the properties that is in attendance agree to put your game on their floor!
October 28th, 2013 at 7:03:50 AM
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Quote: ParadigmRaving/BNP Media also runs follow up articles on the event in their Casino Journal and highlights/describes the winning games. This happens closely after the show and the again a year later before the next year's show. I just read an article in the last 6 weeks describing High Card Flush, Dealer's Choice 21 & Race Card Derby along with each of their progress in getting subesequest trial installs.
The real prize is having one of the properties that is in attendance agree to put your game on their floor!
Paradigm's right: Casino Journal's November issue will have ads from all of the companies, feature blurbs on the games, and they'll do several articles about the show itself and follow-ups. So the inventors are getting exposure and advertising as well as trials.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 28th, 2013 at 9:13:15 AM
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Quote: EvenBobThats it, almost a year and 12 installs? What does a game look
like when it's doing badly a year after it wins first place. By this
time I would think at least 50 installs given the CEO at Galaxy
called the game 'industry changing' when it won. I also read it
was pulled from a number of casinos for poor performance. Is
that true?
It takes time Bob. When a game is first licensed (at least in Az), the State has to review everything about it. Game play, rules, procedures, etc. Then the specific Tribe has to do the same, usually going in front of a couple of different groups of people for contract approval and game approval. Then every Dealer, Surveillance person and TGO has to be trained. The Department of Gaming usually shows up to the training as well. Then after all of that the actual install and live game.
I've been working on High Card Flush since July and expect to go live the middle of November.
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October 28th, 2013 at 10:34:36 AM
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Take note of its high vulnerability to collusion when you develop the P&Ps. The concluding paragraph of my blog post is:Quote: Zcore13I've been working on High Card Flush since July and expect to go live the middle of November.
"My opinion is that HCF is a very good game. Each time I have observed it, the table is crowded and the players are enjoying themselves. I believe that the placements of HCF are likely to grow steadily in number and jurisdiction. It is critical to put in safeguards at the beginning of this game’s life-cycle, or else it may very quickly and tragically find its life-cycle cut short."
Hopefully Galaxy is being proactive in notifying prospective casinos about this design issue and appropriate safeguards.
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October 28th, 2013 at 10:44:46 AM
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Quote: teliotTake note of its high vulnerability to collusion when you develop the P&Ps. The concluding paragraph of my blog post is:
"My opinion is that HCF is a very good game. Each time I have observed it, the table is crowded and the players are enjoying themselves. I believe that the placements of HCF are likely to grow steadily in number and jurisdiction. It is critical to put in safeguards at the beginning of this game’s life-cycle, or else it may very quickly and tragically find its life-cycle cut short."
Hopefully Galaxy is being proactive in notifying prospective casinos about this design issue and appropriate safeguards.
Yes, we are.
I note that you have given dire warnings on many other games also, from Lucky Ladies to Mississippi Stud, all of which are performing admirably and with extensive placements because of awareness of game protection, to which you make take some credit. You brought this issue forward.
Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
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October 28th, 2013 at 10:54:49 AM
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Mississippi Stud is being beaten big time coast-to-coast and around the world. It is the #1 proprietary game for APs, by far. The fact that it holds 30%+ is evidence that it is popular, not that it is being adequately safeguarded.
Lucky Ladies is much lower on the totem-pole of opportunities than it was a decade ago. With all the other card counting opportunities for side bets, LL no longer gets much action by ordinary card counting. But, shuffle tracking slugs of face cards in shoe games is still a popular alternative method of attack. With a $25 max bet, the game is really not going to get much action from APs, no matter the method.
I do give dire warnings for some games, that does not mean that my warnings get heeded. I wrote an article about the Slingo side bet. A full year later, the game got pounded by APs using exactly the method I posted. The fact that you personally have not heard about these types of hits does not mean they don't happen. They do. Often.
Lucky Ladies is much lower on the totem-pole of opportunities than it was a decade ago. With all the other card counting opportunities for side bets, LL no longer gets much action by ordinary card counting. But, shuffle tracking slugs of face cards in shoe games is still a popular alternative method of attack. With a $25 max bet, the game is really not going to get much action from APs, no matter the method.
I do give dire warnings for some games, that does not mean that my warnings get heeded. I wrote an article about the Slingo side bet. A full year later, the game got pounded by APs using exactly the method I posted. The fact that you personally have not heard about these types of hits does not mean they don't happen. They do. Often.
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October 28th, 2013 at 11:01:01 AM
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October 28th, 2013 at 11:04:03 AM
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Quote: teliotTake note of its high vulnerability to collusion when you develop the P&Ps. The concluding paragraph of my blog post is:
"My opinion is that HCF is a very good game. Each time I have observed it, the table is crowded and the players are enjoying themselves. I believe that the placements of HCF are likely to grow steadily in number and jurisdiction. It is critical to put in safeguards at the beginning of this game’s life-cycle, or else it may very quickly and tragically find its life-cycle cut short."
Hopefully Galaxy is being proactive in notifying prospective casinos about this design issue and appropriate safeguards.
Thanks for the info. I've seen it on your site previously. Since 6 player collusion is the only way to get an advantage, it's pretty easy to spot and stop if it were attempted. I find the chances very slim, but am definitely aware. Any of our games are beatable (Blackjack, Lucky Ladies, Three Card Poker, High Card Flush) if we get lazy and allow them to be.
ZCore13
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October 28th, 2013 at 12:21:18 PM
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So as I understand it, if I sit down at a blackjack games, single deck pitch, play 3 hands off a freshly shuffled deck. My head was turned while you shuffled, I look away as the cards are dealt. I turn back around and you have an ACE up. You ask for insurance and tell me I can look at all 3 hands before deciding. I do so and see 6 little cards. Knowing I have over a 6% edge, I insure all 3 hands.
I am now guilty of either cheating or breaking the unseen rules and should be 86'd. Is that correct Dan ?
What if I sit down at Babs Shipwreck, first hand, pick up an ACE and now have an 86.6 advantage ? If I raise, am I cheating or breaking unseen here also ?
I am now guilty of either cheating or breaking the unseen rules and should be 86'd. Is that correct Dan ?
What if I sit down at Babs Shipwreck, first hand, pick up an ACE and now have an 86.6 advantage ? If I raise, am I cheating or breaking unseen here also ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
October 28th, 2013 at 12:22:58 PM
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Quote: BuzzardSo as I understand it, if I sit down at a blackjack games, single deck pitch, play 3 hands off a freshly shuffled deck. My head was turned while you shuffled, I look away as the cards are dealt. I turn back around and you have an ACE up. You ask for insurance and tell me I can look at all 3 hands before deciding. I do so and see 6 little cards. Knowing I have over a 6% edge, I insure all 3 hands.
I am now guilty of either cheating or breaking the unseen rules and should be 86'd. Is that correct Dan ?
What if I sit down at Babs Shipwreck, first hand, pick up an ACE and now have an 86.6 advantage ? If I raise, am I cheating or breaking unseen here also ?
With that scenario, you're guilty of nothing but being a fine man on a sunny day playing some Blackjack or One for the money.
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October 28th, 2013 at 12:25:41 PM
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Mission 146. Please suspend whoever is using Paigowdan's identity.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
October 28th, 2013 at 12:26:21 PM
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Roger Snow said last year that in all his years
in the business, he's never had one casino
manager call him and say, hey, got any new
table games you can show me? And it never
will happen.
Players are creatures of habit. They have their
games, they love their games, they know them,
they like them. Getting them to switch to a new
one is like getting a smoker to switch to a new
brand, or a beer drinker. People like what they're
used to.
The entire 'new games' market is a bunch of hype
created by the game distributors. There's no real
market for new games, so they try and create one.
Why? Because they, not the inventor, make most
of the profits. They have the incentive to manufacture
all the hype surrounding things like Raving.
This is all very new in the gambling world. Since the
explosion of Indian casinos and internet gaming in
the 90's, this industry has gone bananas. They actually
have us believing the public is jonsing for all these
new games, and they're not. In fact, they have to be
dragged kicking and screaming into most of them, like
you were trying to get them to change their brand
of peanut butter or something..
Look at the first prize Galaxy is offering, $50,000 value
in services for your winning game. That's like
that 'free' item you get on a TV promo, if you just buy
the first product. It's a '$40 value' and it's free! True
value is about $3. I can't say what the true value of
Galaxy's $50K is, but you can bet it's a fraction of what
they say. Smoke and mirrors, whistles and bells, all
to convince a casino they can't live without this game.
in the business, he's never had one casino
manager call him and say, hey, got any new
table games you can show me? And it never
will happen.
Players are creatures of habit. They have their
games, they love their games, they know them,
they like them. Getting them to switch to a new
one is like getting a smoker to switch to a new
brand, or a beer drinker. People like what they're
used to.
The entire 'new games' market is a bunch of hype
created by the game distributors. There's no real
market for new games, so they try and create one.
Why? Because they, not the inventor, make most
of the profits. They have the incentive to manufacture
all the hype surrounding things like Raving.
This is all very new in the gambling world. Since the
explosion of Indian casinos and internet gaming in
the 90's, this industry has gone bananas. They actually
have us believing the public is jonsing for all these
new games, and they're not. In fact, they have to be
dragged kicking and screaming into most of them, like
you were trying to get them to change their brand
of peanut butter or something..
Look at the first prize Galaxy is offering, $50,000 value
in services for your winning game. That's like
that 'free' item you get on a TV promo, if you just buy
the first product. It's a '$40 value' and it's free! True
value is about $3. I can't say what the true value of
Galaxy's $50K is, but you can bet it's a fraction of what
they say. Smoke and mirrors, whistles and bells, all
to convince a casino they can't live without this game.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 28th, 2013 at 12:32:11 PM
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Pardon me friends, but has anyone seen such a long reply from Evenbob before ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
October 28th, 2013 at 12:41:26 PM
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Quote: BuzzardPardon me friends, but has anyone seen such a long reply from Evenbob before ?
Took me weeks to write, I'm exhausted. 15 posts
rolled into one.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 28th, 2013 at 12:45:28 PM
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Well, we are now saved 14 times. Thank you !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
October 28th, 2013 at 12:58:52 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThe entire 'new games' market is a bunch of hype
created by the game distributors. There's no real
market for new games, so they try and create one.
UTH, Mississippi Stud, BJ Switch & others coming online now like Free Bet, High Card Flush, etc. would likely beg to differ.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:03:41 PM
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You know, Bob, there wasn't a damn thing wrong with the Ford Model T !
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:26:47 PM
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As long as you like the color black. Henry Ford opened the door to GM with that hard line.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
