Small Edge in Baccarat (and Pai Gow) with Commission Loophole?
Therefore, if the table minimum is $10, and I bet $14 on Banker, the commission is still only 50 cents.
Is that enough to shift the edge to the player, or is there still a house edge?
Granted, this is limited to a "commission-free" bet of $4 per hand, so in the long-run I'm guessing it would take way too many hands to show a significant profit (unless I could bet $14 in every circle on the table).
The same question applies to Pai Gow, where they also use the same commission rule, but that's an even slower game so would take even longer to turn a decent profit.
Thanks!
Where is the casino?
No, its not shifted to being in favor of the bettor, it is still in favor of the house but the edge is coming down and I'm gonna be standing on the corner hitchhiking soon anyway, so please tell me where I will be headin'.Quote: LargeMargeIs that enough to shift the edge to the player, or is there still a house edge?
What some people do, though I think it's because they just don't want to play the house minimum, is add a few bucks to other peoples' banker bets, since they don't have to pay commission when they win. But that just seems sketchy to me.
You get the .4% edge at Bac there while earning comps. They also have a very countable side bet.
I'll plagurize the Dos Equis guy: I don't usually like playing Bac, but if I do, I play at Rivers.
Quote: FinsRuleI've posted about this previously:
You get the .4% edge at Bac there while earning comps. They also have a very countable side bet.
I'll plagurize the Dos Equis guy: I don't usually like playing Bac, but if I do, I play at Rivers.
Yeah but how much in comps are you really earning with a $14 bet? Sounds like it's not worth the time.
Quote: jc2286Yeah but how much in comps are you really earning with a $14 bet? Sounds like it's not worth the time.
You're right, depends on your goal. The money you really make comes on the side bet.
Quote: FinsRuleI've posted about this previously:
You get the .4% edge at Bac there while earning comps. They also have a very countable side bet.
I'll plagurize the Dos Equis guy: I don't usually like playing Bac, but if I do, I play at Rivers.
Sorry--I'm brand new to the forum and didn't search for prior posts on it. Do you have a post on the countable side bet?
It's a shame that the game goes so slowly, since otherwise that would be pretty interesting. And you could easily count at multiple tables simultaneously.
Quote: LargeMargeSorry--I'm brand new to the forum and didn't search for prior posts on it. Do you have a post on the countable side bet?
It's a shame that the game goes so slowly, since otherwise that would be pretty interesting. And you could easily count at multiple tables simultaneously.
No problem, I always just post again instead of searching. It's too difficult.
There is definitely a post on the side bet somewhere on here, I'll try to look for it.
Quote: cestanlI've been to Rivers casino 3 separate times.... and have yet to find a seat open at all at ANY game... i've just about given up there lol.
Yeah, it's frustrating. And I'm a person who likes to get up walk around and try new things, so Rivers does not really work for me at all.
IMO, Sounds like a low-class place.Quote: LargeMargeIt's at Rivers Casino just outside of Chicago.
This has to be a rare exception for Bac Banker bets.
I have played Bac all over the US and Europe and most all only allow Banker bets that are divisible by $5.
I can not even remember ever seeing a table allowing a $14 bet unless it was on the Player bet.
They know what you are trying to do so they should charge you a vig for $15.
If this casino actually allows this, shows that they are not really that smart and are in a very small minority.
Quote: LargeMargeWhat some people do, though I think it's because they just don't want to play the house minimum, is add a few bucks to other peoples' banker bets, since they don't have to pay commission when they win. But that just seems sketchy to me.
Now back betting is allowed in many casinos, but still they know what a player is trying to do. Bet lower than the minimum bet.
A dealer can easily stop that kind of play.
IMO, Sounds like a low-class place.
These two statements seem redundant to me.
Quote: guido111
They know what you are trying to do so they should charge you a vig for $15.
If this casino actually allows this, shows that they are not really that smart and are in a very small minority.
Rounding up is not allowed in most jurisdictions. Of course, most casinos don't allow main bets in anything other than $5 increments on these games, either...
My home card club has $0.50 chips and no quarters. So a $15 bet pays $0.50 commission on PGP & bacc. Unlike Rivers, that really is kind of a low-class place:-)
