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WoV NFL Playoff Picks Game 2023!

Greetings!

This is the thread for the 2023 WoV NFL Playoff Picks Game!

The purpose of this post will simply be to outline the Rules as I do not know whether or not it will be open to individuals who did not play in the regular WoV NFL Picks Game:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/37489-2022-wov-nfl-picks-thread/

Also, the Prize Pool for this game is also dependent on whether or not the Perfection Bonus in the regular game is hit in Week 18.

THE RULES

The Rules for this game will be as follows:

1.) Every player begins with a, 'Bankroll,' of $500; this is not real money and does not represent any real money. It is for gameplay purposes only.

2.) For the first two weeks of the Playoffs, the following Lines will be posted for each game:

-Spread
-Total
-Moneyline


2a.) All players will make no fewer than five bets the first week of the Playoffs.

2b.) All players will make no greater than ten bets the first week of the Playoffs.

2c.) The minimum bet for the first week of the Playoffs shall be $50, per bet.

2d.) The maximum bet for the first week of the Playoffs shall be $100, per bet.

2e.) All players will make no fewer than three bets in the Divisional Round of the Playoffs. (However, if it is only possible to make two-$$$-that is permitted)

2f.) All players will make no greater than ten bets in the Divisional Round of the Playoffs.

2g.) The minimum bet for the Divisional Round of the Playoffs shall be $50, per bet.

2h.) The maximum bet for the Divisional Round of the Playoffs shall be $150, per bet.

3.) The Conference Championship Game will consist of the following Lines:

-Spread
-Total
-Moneyline
-Select Game Props
-Select Player Props


3a.) All players will make no fewer than two selections during the Conference Championship Week. (If possible)

3b.) All players will make no greater than ten bets during the Conference Championship Week.

3c.) The minimum bet amount permitted is $50, per bet.

3d.) The maximum bet amount permitted is $200, per bet.

4.) The Super Bowl will consist of the following Lines:

-Spread
-Total
-Moneyline
-Select Game Props
-Select Player Props


4a.) All players must make at least one selection for the Super Bowl.

4b.) There is no maximum number of bets that can be made, provided you have the bankroll.

4c.) The minimum bet amount permitted is $50, per bet.

4d.) The maximum bet allowed is $250, per bet.

5.) Failure to make the minimum number of Picks allowed, if it is possible ($$$) for you to do so, results in immediate disqualification.

6.) Attempting to bet less than the minimum, unless you are only making ONE BET and it is for everything you have, will result in immediate disqualification.

7.) Attempting to bet more than the maximum on a single bet will result in immediate disqualification.

8.) The Top Three Finishers will be in the Prize Money---with amounts to be determined.

9.) The RULES for making your bets shall be as follows:

9a.) All bets MUST include the line and the bet amount being placed.

9b.) There will be a deadline for all bets to be made that will be posted, and sent in PM's, when the Lines are posted.

10.) Conflicting Picks WILL Result in immediate disqualification. EX: If the Chargers are playing the Jaguars, then you couldn't bet BOTH Over and Under, or Titans spread and Jaguars spread---however, you ARE permitted to make a spread bet on one team whilst betting on its opponent to win outright.

NOTES:

Each week, when the lines are posted, these posts will also include the minimum number of bets that must be made, the maximum number of bets that can be made, the minimum bet amount per bet and the maximum bet amount per bet, so it should be easy to pick according to the rules.

There are no tiebreakers. In the very unlikely event that two players finish with the same cash total, they will split the corresponding prize(s) for their position(s).

Any breakage off of whole dollar amounts (in the game) will always round DOWN.
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January 8th, 2023 at 6:00:12 PM permalink
You know my first bet…..

Half of the contestants get disqualified!

But looks like fun. And thanks for the agony you are going to undergo scoring/adjudicating this!

Can I make separate bets on the same team pointspread and money line?
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January 8th, 2023 at 10:26:02 PM permalink
1. I assume the normal 11 to win 10 will apply to all straight bets. Yes?

2. Can you bet against yourself? For example, can a person bet $55 to win $50 on Dallas -3 and also bet $55 to win $50 on Tampa Bay +3? (In real life, of course, you can, but if this is possible here, it's sort of a way of getting around the minimum number of bets rule.)

Thanks in advance for hosting.
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January 9th, 2023 at 8:04:32 AM permalink
Thanks for running this, Mission!

If I run out of money before the Superb Owl and need to borrow, what's the vig? Standard 2 points per week? ;)

I promise I'm good for it!
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January 9th, 2023 at 8:29:45 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

You know my first bet…..

Half of the contestants get disqualified!

But looks like fun. And thanks for the agony you are going to undergo scoring/adjudicating this!

Can I make separate bets on the same team pointspread and money line?
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Those bets would be perfectly legal. It is also legal to bet one team on the spread and its opponent on the Moneyline; you just couldn't bet opposing teams both on the Moneyline, bet opposing teams both on spread or bet both TOTAL OVER and UNDER on the same game.

Also, you're welcome!
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January 9th, 2023 at 8:31:42 AM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

1. I assume the normal 11 to win 10 will apply to all straight bets. Yes?

2. Can you bet against yourself? For example, can a person bet $55 to win $50 on Dallas -3 and also bet $55 to win $50 on Tampa Bay +3? (In real life, of course, you can, but if this is possible here, it's sort of a way of getting around the minimum number of bets rule.)

Thanks in advance for hosting.
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You're welcome!

Assuming that's what the Line is at the time I post it, then yes. I'm probably just going to use DraftKings this time, so sometimes you'll have a particular spread, but it's -105 or -115 with its opposite being +110, +100, whatever. The spreads will just be whatever they are.

In terms of betting against yourself, good catch; I have added the following rule:

Quote:

10.) Conflicting Picks WILL Result in immediate disqualification. EX: If the Chargers are playing the Jaguars, then you couldn't bet BOTH Over and Under, or Titans spread and Jaguars spread---however, you ARE permitted to make a spread bet on one team whilst betting on its opponent to win outright.

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January 9th, 2023 at 8:32:57 AM permalink
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Thanks for running this, Mission!

If I run out of money before the Superb Owl and need to borrow, what's the vig? Standard 2 points per week? ;)

I promise I'm good for it!
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You're welcome! You can buy back in if you bust out with every $1 of real cash sent to me representing $1 in-game dollar; it will be like a casino slots app...just more expensive. JK
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January 9th, 2023 at 9:51:11 AM permalink
Greetings!

A FEW NOTES

1.) The Prize Pool will be announced later this evening. We have one potential donation coming into the game, so I am just waiting to make sure the donor wants to do that and how the donor would like that money applied.

2.) I said my contribution to the prizes for this game would be $200 only if the Perfection Bonus was not hit in Week 18 of the WoV NFL Picks Game, but that was a little bit of a fib; I am contributing $200 for prizes for this game anyway.

3.) Because the Perfection Bonus was hit last week:

3a.) I will be participating in this contest to defend my money.

3b.) THIS CONTEST IS OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ENTER. This contest is also completely free to enter, so you probably should, even if you don't necessarily think you can win.

*If you played in the 2022 WoV NFL Picks Game, then you will automatically receive a reminder to participate in this game when the Lines go up, which will likely be sometime tomorrow.

*If you did not participate in the 2022 WoV NFL Picks Game, then you CAN receive a PM reminder to make Picks simply by making a post in this thread that you would like to play, or alternatively, you can send me a PM asking for a reminder to make Picks.

*Anyone who participated in the 2022 WoV NFL Picks Game will receive an additional reminder, probably Friday, if they have not already submitted Picks.

*You DO NOT have to receive a reminder to enter this contest. If you wish to enter, then simply send me a PM with your Picks when the Lines go up; this contest is free to play and is open to all. The Prize Pool will be at least $200.
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January 9th, 2023 at 12:52:15 PM permalink
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January 9th, 2023 at 3:47:05 PM permalink
Greetings!

The total Prize Pool is up to $275, which includes $200 from me, an extremely generous $50 donation from JohnZimbo (his winnings for the, "You Suck," prize in the regular WoV Picks Game less his Entry Fee, which goes to Gordonm888) and a separate generous $25 donation from UnJon.

Barring any further developments, the Prize Pool for Top 3 will be:

First Place: $150
Second Place: $75
Third Place: $25

I have asked UnJon whether he wants to add to the regular Top Three or create a separate prize with his funds, so I am waiting to hear back on that. If he chooses the former, then Third Place will pay $50 instead.
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January 9th, 2023 at 4:18:27 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Greetings!

The total Prize Pool is up to $275, which includes $200 from me, an extremely generous $50 donation from JohnZimbo (his winnings for the, "You Suck," prize in the regular WoV Picks Game less his Entry Fee, which goes to Gordonm888) and a separate generous $25 donation from UnJon.

Barring any further developments, the Prize Pool for Top 3 will be:

First Place: $150
Second Place: $75
Third Place: $25

I have asked UnJon whether he wants to add to the regular Top Three or create a separate prize with his funds, so I am waiting to hear back on that. If he chooses the former, then Third Place will pay $50 instead.
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UnJon leaves it to my discretion, but he has also come up with an idea for the, "Highest Turnover," award. I have decided to adopt this idea, so Third Place will receive $25 and the person who makes the most money in total bets will receive UnJon's $25 prize!

Also, one simple solution for (most, if not all) spreads and totals is that I am just going to get rid of the juice. Therefore, if the Line for a spread or total is -110 for both sides, then it will simply become +100.

Granted, that actually makes them breakeven bets, which is an improvement to other bets. That said, they aren't the highest potential reward bets, so I think it's fine. I might trim down other Lines a bit, as well, to more or less remove some of the vig.
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January 9th, 2023 at 4:48:18 PM permalink
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Granted, that actually makes them breakeven bets, which is an improvement to other bets. That said, they aren't the highest potential reward bets, so I think it's fine. I might trim down other Lines a bit, as well, to more or less remove some of the vig.



I think that is a great idea since it isn't real money and everybody has access to the same lines it really doesn't matter what the payouts are. Maybe add some parlays that pay 7 to1 for a three teamer and 14 to one for a four teamer. That way no one will probably be out of contention at any time.
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January 10th, 2023 at 9:59:30 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: Mission146


Granted, that actually makes them breakeven bets, which is an improvement to other bets. That said, they aren't the highest potential reward bets, so I think it's fine. I might trim down other Lines a bit, as well, to more or less remove some of the vig.



I think that is a great idea since it isn't real money and everybody has access to the same lines it really doesn't matter what the payouts are. Maybe add some parlays that pay 7 to1 for a three teamer and 14 to one for a four teamer. That way no one will probably be out of contention at any time.
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I think with some of the Conference Championship player props and Super Bowl player/game props everyone should still be in it as long as they have some amount of game bankroll left. If it doesn't look that way, I'll adjust. I'm going to try to strike a balance with keeping people in contention and not having it such that the whole game can be won by hitting a fluke. If people don't bet conservatively enough to give themselves a chance if early bets go poorly, then that was their strategy.
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January 10th, 2023 at 10:37:11 AM permalink
Gordonm888 has most graciously donated $100 of his WoV Picks Game winnings to this event! He has suggested that it be added to the main prizes; thank you very much to Gordonm888 and the new Top Three Prizes shall be as follows:

1st Place: $200
2nd Place: $100
3rd Place $50

There is also a consolation prize for the player who can make the most in total $$$ bet, courtesy of a $25 donation to the Playoff Game by UnJon!

I would like to again thank JohnZimbo for his $50 contribution to the pool, Gordonm888 for his $100 contribution and UnJon for his $25 contribution!

Please do not take this as a solicitation of more donations, because it is absolutely NOT, but what I will say is that no additional donations will be accepted once the game is underway. However, should you think of something you want to do on the side while this game is underway that both:

A.) Ties into this game.

And:

B.) Creates no additional work for me.

You will be perfectly welcome to do that even if the game is underway.
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January 10th, 2023 at 10:40:31 AM permalink
Greetings!

Picks Formatting

Please try to format your Picks as you see in the Lines below. I don't know why you would change the order of the information, but all information MUST appear (team, bet type and Line) in order for your bet to be valid.

Please remember all players are starting with a, 'Bankroll,' of $500.

RULES for WildCard Weekend

2a.) All players will make no fewer than five bets the first week of the Playoffs.

2b.) All players will make no greater than ten bets the first week of the Playoffs.

2c.) The minimum bet for the first week of the Playoffs shall be $50, per bet.

2d.) The maximum bet for the first week of the Playoffs shall be $100, per bet.

The good news is that 2a and 2c are the only possible rules to break, at least without simultaneously breaking multiple rules that would include these two rules anyway, this week.

PICKS ARE DUE BY 10:00A.M., EST, SATURDAY, JANUARY 14TH, 2023----NO EXCEPTIONS FOR ANY REASON!

I'm pretty pumped to say:

The WildCard Weekend Lines are as follows:

(Odds courtesy of DraftKings---though ADJUSTED by Mission146)

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Seahawks @ 49ers

Seahawks +9.5 +100
49ers -9.5 -105

Seahawks/49ers OVER 42.5 +100
Seahawks/49ers UNDER 42.5 +100

Seahawks To WIN +450
49ers to WIN -450

Chargers @ Jaguars

Chargers -1 -105
Jaguars +1 +105

Chargers/Jaguars OVER 47.5 +100
Chargers/Jaguars UNDER 47.5 +100

Chargers To WIN -110
Jaguars To WIN +110

Dolphins @ Bills

Dolphins +10.5 +100
Bills -10.5 + 100

Dolphins/Bills OVER 45 +100
Dolphins/Bills UNDER 45 +100

Dolphins To WIN +500
Bills To WIN -500

Giants @ Vikings

Giants +3 +100
Vikings -3 +100

Giants/Vikings OVER 48.5 +100
Giants/Vikings UNDER 48.5 +100

Giants To WIN +145
Vikings To WIN -145

Ravens @ Bengals

Ravens +6.5 +100
Bengals -6.5 +100

Ravens/Bengals OVER 44 +100
Ravens/Bengals UNDER 44 -100

Ravens To WIN +270
Bengals To WIN -270

Cowboys @ Buccaneers

Cowboys -2.5 -105
Buccaneers +2.5 +100

Cowboys/Buccaneers OVER 45.5 +100
Cowboys/Buccaneers UNDER 45.5 +100

Cowboys To WIN -130
Buccaneers To WIN +130

**************

Please remember that all are welcome to participate in this contest and it is free of charge! As of right now, the Prize Pool is as follows:

1st Place: $200
2nd Place: $100
3rd Place $50

There is also a consolation prize for the player who can make the most in total $$$ bet, courtesy of a $25 donation to the Playoff Game by UnJon!

Donations to Prize Pool:

Gordonm888: $100
JohnZimbo: $50
UnJon $25

Thank you very much to all who play! Please remember:

1.) You do not need an invitation or reminder to play; you must simply PM me your Picks before the deadline.

2.) If you wish to receive a reminder (Thursday evening) then please make any post in this thread and you will get one.

3.) Individuals who participated in the WoV Picks Game of 2022 will automatically receive a reminder both this evening, and on Thursday evening, if they have not already picked.

Once again, the Lines are as follows:

(Odds courtesy of DraftKings---though ADJUSTED by Mission146)

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Seahawks @ 49ers

Seahawks +9.5 +100
49ers -9.5 -105

Seahawks/49ers OVER 42.5 +100
Seahawks/49ers UNDER 42.5 +100

Seahawks To WIN +450
49ers to WIN -450

Chargers @ Jaguars

Chargers -1 -105
Jaguars +1 +105

Chargers/Jaguars OVER 47.5 +100
Chargers/Jaguars UNDER 47.5 +100

Chargers To WIN -110
Jaguars To WIN +110

Dolphins @ Bills

Dolphins +10.5 +100
Bills -10.5 + 100

Dolphins/Bills OVER 45 +100
Dolphins/Bills UNDER 45 +100

Dolphins To WIN +500
Bills To WIN -500

Giants @ Vikings

Giants +3 +100
Vikings -3 +100

Giants/Vikings OVER 48.5 +100
Giants/Vikings UNDER 48.5 +100

Giants To WIN +145
Vikings To WIN -145

Ravens @ Bengals

Ravens +6.5 +100
Bengals -6.5 +100

Ravens/Bengals OVER 44 +100
Ravens/Bengals UNDER 44 -100

Ravens To WIN +270
Bengals To WIN -270

Cowboys @ Buccaneers

Cowboys -2.5 -105
Buccaneers +2.5 +100

Cowboys/Buccaneers OVER 45.5 +100
Cowboys/Buccaneers UNDER 45.5 +100

Cowboys To WIN -130
Buccaneers To WIN +130

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Quote: Mission146

Picks Formatting

Please try to format your Picks as you see in the Lines below. I don't know why you would change the order of the information, but all information MUST appear (team, bet type and Line) in order for your bet to be valid.

Please remember all players are starting with a, 'Bankroll,' of $500.


Should we put the dollar amount in front?

E.g.: $100 Bengals -6.5 +100
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Quote: Joeman

Quote: Mission146

Picks Formatting

Please try to format your Picks as you see in the Lines below. I don't know why you would change the order of the information, but all information MUST appear (team, bet type and Line) in order for your bet to be valid.

Please remember all players are starting with a, 'Bankroll,' of $500.


Should we put the dollar amount in front?

E.g.: $100 Bengals -6.5 +100
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I would say anywhere is fine for dollar amount provided the "$" is clearly positioned.
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Ugggh. NFL Wild Card games are notoriously difficult to pick. And two of the games have major QB uncertainties (Tua and Lamar). And we have a new contest structure and rules that none of us has experience with (and praise for Mission for conjuring up such an interesting structure.)

And, in this contest, the formidable Johnzimbo will be playing to win, not to lose. Miplet and EdCollins are blue-chip pickers who surely can't run bad forever. I'm also worried about that group of pickers that finished 2nd through 6th in the previous contest : VegasBrent, IndyJeffrey, FourFiveFace, Jim Rockford and PlayYourCardsRight- IMO, those guys have game. Wizard can't be counted out because he has probably won more of the forum's NFL picks contests than anyone. And, KSDJDJ and SOOPOO are experienced sports gamblers who know what they are doing and may be about to give the rest of us a lesson.

And the pattern of history is that darkhorse contestants often emerge as the front-runner and eventual contest winner.

For myself, I predict: PAIN.
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January 10th, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM permalink
I finished third to last in last year's playoff contest, so I'm not worth worrying about.
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January 10th, 2023 at 6:40:06 PM permalink
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January 11th, 2023 at 8:26:18 AM permalink
Are the $50 and $100 min max bets quoted on a “to risk” or “to win” basis? Or is it a mix many sports books that + money is a “to risk” and - money is “to win”?

In other words, for a -110 line is my min beg $50 to win $45.45 or $55 to win $50. And max bet is $100 to win $90.90 or $110 to win $100?
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January 11th, 2023 at 9:05:42 AM permalink
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I expect to end up south of the Mendoza Line.
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Sadly, my batting average was always south of the Mendoza line.
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January 11th, 2023 at 9:42:30 AM permalink
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Ugggh. NFL Wild Card games are notoriously difficult to pick. And two of the games have major QB uncertainties (Tua and Lamar). And we have a new contest structure and rules that none of us has experience with (and praise for Mission for conjuring up such an interesting structure.)

And, in this contest, the formidable Johnzimbo will be playing to win, not to lose. Miplet and EdCollins are blue-chip pickers who surely can't run bad forever. I'm also worried about that group of pickers that finished 2nd through 6th in the previous contest : VegasBrent, IndyJeffrey, FourFiveFace, Jim Rockford and PlayYourCardsRight- IMO, those guys have game. Wizard can't be counted out because he has probably won more of the forum's NFL picks contests than anyone. And, KSDJDJ and SOOPOO are experienced sports gamblers who know what they are doing and may be about to give the rest of us a lesson.

And the pattern of history is that darkhorse contestants often emerge as the front-runner and eventual contest winner.

For myself, I predict: PAIN.
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Thank you for the compliment; although, I'd prefer it be complementary this time, but you're probably going to win my money again. JK

I just hope that I didn't miss any loopholes, but I trust that, even if I did, everyone will play this contest (which does have totally new rules) within the spirit of the rules.

On that note, would you mind if I PM you my Picks? You don't have to open them and can even delete the PM's a week or so after the contest, but the timestamp will prove that I submitted my Picks to you prior to looking at anyone else's Picks, if necessary.
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January 11th, 2023 at 9:44:14 AM permalink
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I expect to end up south of the Mendoza Line.
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Just make sure your passport is current before you go; I hear getting back into .200 country can be a pain, if not.
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January 11th, 2023 at 9:45:48 AM permalink
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Are the $50 and $100 min max bets quoted on a “to risk” or “to win” basis? Or is it a mix many sports books that + money is a “to risk” and - money is “to win”?

In other words, for a -110 line is my min beg $50 to win $45.45 or $55 to win $50. And max bet is $100 to win $90.90 or $110 to win $100?
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The betting requirements are based entirely on risk, not amount to be won. I suspect you knew this answer and wanted to get written clarification as to this potential oversight on my part without causing me undue humiliation; you're a sly one, unJon, I don't care what DRich says about you. JK

If you're well in the lead and want to play it safe with a -1000 LINE in the Super Bowl, you can...although a little birdie told me there aren't going to be any minus lines for the Super Bowl other than regular game lines.
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On that note, would you mind if I PM you my Picks? You don't have to open them and can even delete the PM's a week or so after the contest, but the timestamp will prove that I submitted my Picks to you prior to looking at anyone else's Picks, if necessary.
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Of course, I would be happy to help in that way, no problem. And good luck to you, I'm very glad you're playing.
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January 12th, 2023 at 7:21:26 AM permalink
Hey Mission, despite your well-worded rules, I have a question clarification.

Assume it's next week, the Divisional Round. Assume a player lost $370 during Wildcard weekend and thus only has $130 left.

One of the contest rules says that a player's minimum bet for this week is $50. Another rule says that at least three bets must be made this Divisional Playoff weekend.

For this player with just $130 left, he obviously can't satisfy both rules. So which rule takes precedent?

The three-bet minimum takes precedent, correct? This player must three bets. (Say, $50-$50-$30 or $55-$60-$15 or maybe $50-$70-$10.) He isn't allowed to make, say, one bet of $130 or two bets, of say, $100-$30.

If a player can't satisfy both criteria, he must do his best to first satisfy the three-bet minimum requirement, correct?

Or no?
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January 12th, 2023 at 7:32:58 AM permalink
2e.) All players will make no fewer than three bets in the Divisional Round of the Playoffs. (However, if it is only possible to make two-$$$-that is permitted)

I took this rule to mean that due to insufficient funds to make a $50 bet, a player can 2 bets.

With $130 left in the example, a player would have to use amounts to maximize the number of bets they make. So, a player can't make a $100 bet and say they can't make anymore due to having only $30 left.

That's how I read it, anyway.
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January 12th, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM permalink
Quote: Vegasbrent

That's how I read it, anyway.

Yea... that's how I read it too. Just wanted a clarification.

Mission, if a player makes this (honest) mistake, he's instantly disqualified?

It wouldn't surprise me if, with this new format, if one or more players do make a mistake in some fashion, when submitting their picks.
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January 12th, 2023 at 8:05:50 AM permalink
Thanks for bringing this up, Ed. I was wondering the same thing. Based on my performance in the regular season, I envision myself in this position at some point!

Quote: EdCollins

Mission, if a player makes this (honest) mistake, he's instantly disqualified?

It wouldn't surprise me if, with this new format, if one or more players do make a mistake in some fashion, when submitting their picks.
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It seems to me that if picks are due Sat @ 10 EST, and kickoff of the first game isn't until 4:30, there could be time to notify people of any rules issues and allow them to make corrections, if Mission so chooses. I'm sure this would be extra work for him, and I would certainly understand if he doesn't want to do this.

The way I look at it, it's a freeroll. If I 'foul' my bets, that's on me, and I have lost nothing. So, no biggie.
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January 12th, 2023 at 8:58:31 AM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

Quote: Vegasbrent

That's how I read it, anyway.

Yea... that's how I read it too. Just wanted a clarification.

Mission, if a player makes this (honest) mistake, he's instantly disqualified?

It wouldn't surprise me if, with this new format, if one or more players do make a mistake in some fashion, when submitting their picks.
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You are late to the party! Some really smart and intuitive poster (SOOPOO) predicted that half of the participants would be DQ’d after his (my!) reading of the rules. This occurred in the very first non-Mission post in this thread!
My 5 picks are in. $100 each. I may not be playing next week but it won’t be because I’m DQ’d.
Prediction…. SOOPOO in 4th place after week1!



(Or all 5 lose and I’m done….)
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January 12th, 2023 at 11:36:21 AM permalink
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On that note, would you mind if I PM you my Picks? You don't have to open them and can even delete the PM's a week or so after the contest, but the timestamp will prove that I submitted my Picks to you prior to looking at anyone else's Picks, if necessary.
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Of course, I would be happy to help in that way, no problem. And good luck to you, I'm very glad you're playing.
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Good luck to you as well, and thank you!
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January 12th, 2023 at 11:40:17 AM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

Hey Mission, despite your well-worded rules, I have a question clarification.

Assume it's next week, the Divisional Round. Assume a player lost $370 during Wildcard weekend and thus only has $130 left.

One of the contest rules says that a player's minimum bet for this week is $50. Another rule says that at least three bets must be made this Divisional Playoff weekend.

For this player with just $130 left, he obviously can't satisfy both rules. So which rule takes precedent?

The three-bet minimum takes precedent, correct? This player must three bets. (Say, $50-$50-$30 or $55-$60-$15 or maybe $50-$70-$10.) He isn't allowed to make, say, one bet of $130 or two bets, of say, $100-$30.

If a player can't satisfy both criteria, he must do his best to first satisfy the three-bet minimum requirement, correct?

Or no?
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My, "Well-worded rules," that's certainly a first! Thank you for the compliment!

If it comes up I will make it clear in the post related to that week, but it was a good thing you asked now.

The rule that every bet MUST be a MINIMUM of $50 is to be considered more important than any other rule. For that reason, a player with a bankroll of $130 would be required to bet all $130, in any way they wish, between two bets, provided each is at least $50.

The only exception to the $50 MINIMUM rule is if you have less than $50, in which event, you must make a single bet for everything you have.

Should any players find themselves so situated, I will probably send a non-generic PM as a Picks Reminder and inform any such players of their situation and options. They will have no choice but to bet it all that week and each bet must be at least $50.
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January 12th, 2023 at 11:43:40 AM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

Quote: Vegasbrent

That's how I read it, anyway.

Yea... that's how I read it too. Just wanted a clarification.

Mission, if a player makes this (honest) mistake, he's instantly disqualified?

It wouldn't surprise me if, with this new format, if one or more players do make a mistake in some fashion, when submitting their picks.
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Disqualifications for other than the most obvious rule violations will be handled on a case-by-case basis. For instance, late picks are an instant disqualification. Failing to make at least five bets this week would be an instant disqualification, etc.
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January 12th, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

Thanks for bringing this up, Ed. I was wondering the same thing. Based on my performance in the regular season, I envision myself in this position at some point!

Quote: EdCollins

Mission, if a player makes this (honest) mistake, he's instantly disqualified?

It wouldn't surprise me if, with this new format, if one or more players do make a mistake in some fashion, when submitting their picks.
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It seems to me that if picks are due Sat @ 10 EST, and kickoff of the first game isn't until 4:30, there could be time to notify people of any rules issues and allow them to make corrections, if Mission so chooses. I'm sure this would be extra work for him, and I would certainly understand if he doesn't want to do this.

The way I look at it, it's a freeroll. If I 'foul' my bets, that's on me, and I have lost nothing. So, no biggie.
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Yes; that's an excellent point. I'll take a little time to look over the Picks and PM people as to what might need to be amended.

I'm hoping everyone follows the rules and we just don't have any issues, though, because I would not be able to post picks until all Picks are available to be posted.

I also hope everyone follows something close to my formatting so that the intent of a person's bet is clear. One thing that I am not going to do is PM people for clarification as to what bet they actually wanted, so anything related to weird formatting would mean they just get whatever I interpreted the bet to be.
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January 13th, 2023 at 10:16:45 AM permalink
Greetings!

I have either eight or nine sets of Picks so far (including myself) with seventeen reminders sent. There are two PM's that may or may not already include Picks, but the PM subject is ambiguous enough that I can't really open them.

With that, we have either nine sets of Picks and fifteen Reminders sent, seven sets of Picks and seventeen Reminders sent, or eight sets of Picks and sixteen reminders sent.

I haven't heard from many people at all yet, which also includes some of the payouts from the WoV Picks Game, so I hope to hear from them soon on that.

Anyway, if you want to enter, all you need to do is read the rules and PM me your Picks by the January, 14th, 2022 deadline. It doesn't matter whether or not you played in the 2022 WoV NFL Picks Game and this is a total free roll game, so why not give yourself something to cheer for and take a shot at some free cash?
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January 13th, 2023 at 1:08:34 PM permalink
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2d.) The maximum bet for the first week of the Playoffs shall be $100, per bet.



Just submitted my picks and within 9 seconds realized I had violated a rule.

Hopefully my resubmitted picks are compliant.

No CONFIDENCE picks, so Mission doesn't have to remind me to include one this week. Ha!

Good luck everyone.
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January 13th, 2023 at 4:39:41 PM permalink
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Quote: Mission146

2d.) The maximum bet for the first week of the Playoffs shall be $100, per bet.



Just submitted my picks and within 9 seconds realized I had violated a rule.

Hopefully my resubmitted picks are compliant.

No CONFIDENCE picks, so Mission doesn't have to remind me to include one this week. Ha!

Good luck everyone.
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OMG, I broke the same rule as well. I will resubmit my picks.
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January 14th, 2023 at 7:07:58 AM permalink
Greetings!

The Wildcard Weekend Picks are as follows:

Mission146:
Chargers -1 -105 $50
Jaguars to WIN +110 $52
Vikings to WIN -145 $90
Giants +3 +100 $62
Cowboys to WIN -130 $82
Buccaneers +2.5 +100 $63

Gaming711:
49ers -9.5 -105 $100
Chargers -1 -105 $100
Bills -10.5 100 $100
Bengals -6.5 100 $100
Buccaneers 2.5 100 $100'

FourFiveFace:
Seahawks/49ers UNDER 42.5 +100 ($100)
Chargers -1 -105 ($100)
Bills -10.5 +100 ($100)
Giants +3 +100 ($100)
Ravens/Bengals UNDER 44 -100 ($100)

miplet:
$100 Seahawks +9.5 +100
$100 Seahawks To WIN +450
$100 Ravens To WIN +270
$100 Buccaneers To WIN +130
$100 Giants To WIN +145

ksdjdj:
Seahawks/49ers UNDER 42.5 +100 - $50
Seahawks To WIN +450 - $50
Bills -10.5 + 100 - $50
Dolphins/Bills UNDER 45 +100 -$50
Jaguars To WIN +110 - $50
Bengals -6.5 +100 - $50
Ravens/Bengals UNDER 44 -100 -$60
Buccaneers To WIN +130 - $50

Gordonm888
Chargers To WIN -110 $100
Bills -10.5 + 100 $100
Bills To WIN -500 $100
Giants +3 +100 $50
Buccaneers To WIN +130 $100

UnJon:
$100 49ers -9.5 -105
$100 Chargers/Jaguars OVER 47.5 +100
$100 Giants to WIN +145
$100 Bengals -6.5
$100 Bills -10.5

BillRyan:
Giants +3 $100
Giants under 48.5 $50
Giants Win $50
Bengals Win $50
Cowboys win $50
49ers win $50

JohnnyQ:
$ 50 Bet: Seahawks +9.5
$ 50 Bet: Jaguars +1
$ 50 Bet: Vikings -3
$ 50 Bet: Buccaneers +2.5
$ 50 Bet: Bills -10.5
$ 100 Bet: Bengals -6.5

IndyJeffrey
$50 Seahawks/49ers UNDER 42.5 +100
$100 Chargers -1 -105
$75 Bills -10.5 + 100
$75 Vikings -3 +100
$100 Bengals -6.5 +100
$100 Bengals -270

Wizard:
$100 Seahawks To WIN +450
$100 Buccaneers To WIN +130
$100 Giants To WIN +145
$100 Dolphins To WIN +500
$100 Ravens To WIN +270

GenWyzgy:
$100 Chargers OVER 47.5 +100
$50 Bills -10.5 +100
$50 Bengals -6.5 +100
$50 Buccaneers to WIN +130
$50 Seahawks OVER 42.5 +100

EdCollins
49ers -9.5 -105 $50
49ers to WIN -450 $100
Bills -10.5 +100 $50
Dolphins/Bills UNDER 45 +100 $50
Giants +3 +100 $50
Giants to WIN +145 $50
Bengals -6.5 +100 $50
Ravens/Bengals UNDER 44 -100 $50
Cowboys -2.5 -105 $50

Mukke:
$100 Seahawks +9.5 +100
$100 Seahawks/49ers OVER 42.5 +100
$50 Seahawks To WIN +450
$50 Ravens To WIN +270
$50 Giants To WIN +145

Johnzimbo:
$100 Jaguars +1 +105
$50 49ers -9.5 -105
$50 Bills -10.5 + 100
$50 Vikings -3 +100
$65 Cowboys To WIN -130

Joeman:
Joeman:
$50 49ers -9.5 -105
$100 Bills -10.5 +100
$100 Giants/Vikings UNDER 48.5 +100
$100 Bengals -6.5 +100
$50 Vikings -3 +100
$50 Cowboys/Buccaneers UNDER 45.5 +100
$50 Jaguars To WIN +110

SOOPOO:
$100. Bills to win. -500
$100 49ers to win. -450
$100. Chargers o win. -110
$100. Bengals to win. -270
$100. Vikings to win. -145

VegasBrent:
49ers to WIN -450 $90
Jaguars +1 +105 $60
Bills -10.5 + 100 $100
Bengals To WIN -270 $81
Buccaneers +2.5 +100 $50
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January 14th, 2023 at 7:12:35 AM permalink
Thanks for running this, Mission!

Interesting to see the different strategies people took. Wizard especially going for a moonshot. SOOPOO doing the opposite.
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January 14th, 2023 at 7:13:01 AM permalink
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Thanks for running this, Mission!

Interesting to see the different strategies people took. Wizard especially going for a moonshot.
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You're welcome! It should be fun!
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Thanks for running this, Mission!

Interesting to see the different strategies people took. Wizard especially going for a moonshot. SOOPOO doing the opposite.
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Wizard and I had the same strategy. Except I’m a Seahawks fan.
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January 14th, 2023 at 10:00:41 AM permalink
Yesterday I put together a new spreadsheet, to help with the grading. It's done. All the user has to do is to enter the final score for each game, and all picks are automatically graded.

I can provide updated standings after the second game today, at the end of the day tomorrow, and of course after the Monday night Cowboys/Bucs game.

It also gives a pick consensus.



12 players like the Bills -10.5, risking a total of $925.
8 players like the Bengals -6.5, risking a total of $650.
A total of $450 is risked on the Giants to win.
A total of $400 is risked on the Cowboys to win.

No one likes the Dolphins at +10.5
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Quote: EdCollins

Yesterday I put together a new spreadsheet, to help with the grading. It's done. All the user has to do is to enter the final score for each game, and all picks are automatically graded.

I can provide updated standings after the second game today, at the end of the day tomorrow, and of course after the Monday night Cowboys/Bucs game.

It also gives a pick consensus.



12 players like the Bills -10.5, risking a total of $925.
8 players like the Bengals -6.5, risking a total of $650.
A total of $450 is risked on the Giants to win.
A total of $400 is risked on the Cowboys to win.

No one likes the Dolphins at +10.5
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ESPN has a ‘Football Power Index’ which somehow gives a team’s percentage chance to win. Dolphins are listed at 4% chance to win. So fair odds are around 24-1. Yet you are only giving 5-1 on Dolphins!!! No way anyone will take Dolphins money line!!!!!







Except the Wiz…..
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Remember that Mission set the odds before it was announced that Tua was out and Skylark Lemon - or whoever the third string Miami QB is -was announced as starter.
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January 14th, 2023 at 5:51:06 PM permalink
I messaged Mission at 10:05 and bowed out. Work and life this week got the best of me and I respected the deadline.

Good luck to all.
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January 14th, 2023 at 8:41:30 PM permalink
WOV 2023 NFL Playoff Picks Contest
Results after Saturday's games

Player Bet Bet $ Odds Result $ Won
BillRyan49ers To WIN$50-450Won
$11
BillRyanGiants +3$100+100-
-
BillRyanGiants/Vikings UNDER 48.5$50+100-
-
BillRyanGiants To WIN$50+145-
-
BillRyanBengals To WIN$50-270-
-
BillRyanCowboys To WIN$50-130-
-






EdCollins49ers -9.5$50-105Won
$47
EdCollins49ers To WIN$100-450Won
$22
EdCollinsRavens/Bengals UNDER 44$50+100-
-
EdCollinsGiants +3$50+100-
-
EdCollinsGiants To WIN$50+145-
-
EdCollinsBills -10.5$50+100-
-
EdCollinsDolphins/Bills UNDER 45$50+100-
-
EdCollinsBengals -6.5$50+100-
-
EdCollinsCowboys -2.5$50-105-
-






FourFiveFaceSeahawks/49ers UNDER 42.5$100+100Lost
-$100
FourFiveFaceChargers -1$100-105Lost
-$100
FourFiveFaceBills -10.5$100+100-
-
FourFiveFaceGiants +3$100+100-
-
FourFiveFaceRavens/Bengals UNDER 44$100+100-
-






Gaming71149ers -9.5$100-105Won
$95
Gaming711Chargers -1$100-105Lost
-$100
Gaming711Bills -10.5$100+100-
-
Gaming711Bengals -6.5$100+100-
-
Gaming711Buccaneers +2.5$100+100-
-






GenWyzgySeahawks/49ers OVER 42.5$50+100Won
$50
GenWyzgyChargers/Jaguars OVER 47.5$100+100Won
$100
GenWyzgyBills -10.5$50+100-
-
GenWyzgyBengals -6.5$50+100-
-
GenWyzgyBuccaneers To WIN$50+130-
-






Gordonm888Chargers To WIN$100-110Lost
-$100
Gordonm888Bills -10.5$100+100-
-
Gordonm888Bills To WIN$100-500-
-
Gordonm888Giants +3$50+100-
-
Gordonm888Buccaneers To WIN$100+130-
-






IndyJeffreySeahawks/49ers UNDER 42.5$50+100Lost
-$50
IndyJeffreyChargers -1$100-105Lost
-$100
IndyJeffreyBills -10.5$75+100-
-
IndyJeffreyVikings -3$75+100-
-
IndyJeffreyBengals -6.5$100+100-
-
IndyJeffreyBengals To WIN$100-270-
-






Joeman49ers -9.5$50-105Won
$47
JoemanJaguars To WIN$50+110Won
$55
JoemanBills -10.5$100+100-
-
JoemanGiants/Vikings UNDER 48.5$100+100-
-
JoemanBengals -6.5$100+100-
-
JoemanVikings -3$50+100-
-
JoemanCowboys/Buccaneers UNDER 45.5$50+100-
-






JohnnyQSeahawks +9.5$50+100Lost
-$50
JohnnyQJaguars +1$50+105Won
$52
JohnnyQVikings -3$50+100-
-
JohnnyQBuccaneers +2.5$50+100-
-
JohnnyQBills -10.5$50+100-
-
JohnnyQBengals -6.5$100+100-
-






Johnzimbo49ers -9.5$50-105Won
$47
JohnzimboJaguars +1$100+105Won
$105
JohnzimboBills -10.5$50+100-
-
JohnzimboVikings -3$50+100-
-
JohnzimboCowboys To WIN$65-130-
-






ksdjdjSeahawks/49ers UNDER 42.5$50+100Lost
-$50
ksdjdjSeahawks To WIN$50+450Lost
-$50
ksdjdjJaguars To WIN$50+110Won
$55
ksdjdjBills -10.5$50+100-
-
ksdjdjDolphins/Bills UNDER 45$50+100-
-
ksdjdjBengals -6.5$50+100-
-
ksdjdjRavens/Bengals UNDER 44$60+100-
-
ksdjdjBuccaneers To WIN$50+130-
-






mipletSeahawks +9.5$100+100Lost
-$100
mipletSeahawks To WIN$100+450Lost
-$100
mipletRavens To WIN$100+270-
-
mipletBuccaneers To WIN$100+130-
-
mipletGiants To WIN$100+145-
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Mission146Chargers -1$50-105Lost
-$50
Mission146Jaguars To WIN$52+110Won
$57
Mission146Vikings To WIN$90-145-
-
Mission146Giants +3$62+100-
-
Mission146Cowboys To WIN$82-130-
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Mission146Buccaneers +2.5$63+100-
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MukkeSeahawks +9.5$100+100Lost
-$100
MukkeSeahawks/49ers OVER 42.5$100+100Won
$100
MukkeSeahawks To WIN$50+450Lost
-$50
MukkeRavens To WIN$50+270-
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MukkeGiants To WIN$50+145-
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SOOPOO49ers To WIN$100-450Won
$22
SOOPOOChargers To WIN$100-110Lost
-$100
SOOPOOBills To WIN$100-500-
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SOOPOOBengals To WIN$100-270-
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SOOPOOVikings To WIN$100-145-
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UnJon49ers -9.5$100-105Won
$95
UnJonChargers/Jaguars OVER 47.5$100+100Won
$100
UnJonGiants To WIN$100+145-
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UnJonBengals -6.5$100+100-
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UnJonBills -10.5$100+100-
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VegasBrent49ers To WIN$90-450Won
$20
VegasBrentJaguars +1$60+105Won
$63
VegasBrentBills -10.5$100+100-
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VegasBrentBengals To WIN$81-270-
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VegasBrentBuccaneers +2.5$50+100-
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WizardSeahawks To WIN$100+450Lost
-$100
WizardBuccaneers To WIN$100+130-
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WizardGiants To WIN$100+145-
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WizardDolphins To WIN$100+500-
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WizardRavens To WIN$100+270-
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EdCollins
EdCollins
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January 14th, 2023 at 8:42:15 PM permalink
EdCollins
EdCollins
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January 14th, 2023 at 8:42:56 PM permalink
If you see any typos or mistakes in my two posts above, obviously let me know. Thanks!

Enjoy the games tomorrow.
unJon
unJon
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January 15th, 2023 at 7:41:39 AM permalink
Let me just bask in briefly being 1 on the leaderboard before it all falls apart.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
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