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February 12th, 2019 at 3:00:02 PM permalink
Now that sports betting is legal in more and more places, the podcasts and broadcasts are starting to pop up. Same as financial shows, a good bettor probably should listen to one or a few.

Are there any you like so far? And why?

I have been listening to one called GambleOn. Not too long, less than an hour. One good feature is they talk about the state of the sportsbook industry as well as the games. IOW, last few episodes I found out why online poker will be delayed in PA, along with other states, and online sports betting as well. (Legal and sanctioned on both, I know there are currently ways around it.)

Sports betting should be quiet the next few weeks, until March Madness. Any broadcasts/podcasts you can suggest are worth a listen?
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February 12th, 2019 at 6:10:32 PM permalink
Anything with Spanky or Captain Jack as guests. Rufus Peabody seems legit, without looking too closely into it.

Online sports betting is pretty much legal, unless you are the book maker. To my knowledge, nobody has ever been in trouble for it.

There's a guy named Dinkman who is on various pods and I think he is legit too.

Needless to say, 90% of people are either clueless or con men. Fezic, RJ bell, etc. There's a lot of sports betting talk on the radio in LV and for whatever reason, they are only interested in con men.
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February 13th, 2019 at 2:35:21 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Anything with Spanky or Captain Jack as guests. Rufus Peabody seems legit, without looking too closely into it.

Online sports betting is pretty much legal, unless you are the book maker. To my knowledge, nobody has ever been in trouble for it.

There's a guy named Dinkman who is on various pods and I think he is legit too.

Needless to say, 90% of people are either clueless or con men. Fezic, RJ bell, etc. There's a lot of sports betting talk on the radio in LV and for whatever reason, they are only interested in con men.



I saw one once maybe twice in college decades ago, it was infomercial style, meaning they bought the time. And it was mostly touting 900 numbers with real picks. I just figure there has to be a market to do a sports betting show like they used to do "Bulls and Bears" on FNC on saturdays.
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February 13th, 2019 at 5:01:27 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux


Needless to say, 90% of people are either clueless or con men. Fezic, RJ bell, etc. There's a lot of sports betting talk on the radio in LV and for whatever reason, they are only interested in con men.



It could be the "con men" are buying the time. I refer and think of con men as those who sell picks. Is that what you also refer to? One look at the "VIP" crap on you tube and you will get the complete picture. Recently saw an older episode where a guy supposedly owed them $31.000.USD(half of $62,000) won.
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February 13th, 2019 at 6:22:11 AM permalink
Behind The Bets is done by ESPN. I strongly suggest listening to episodes with John Murray from the Westgate Sportsbook. He's the Director over there, and provides a real look at who's betting what, and a professional opinion, as opposed to all of these touts trying to further their brand and selling more subscriptions to their picks services.

It's a shame the public will be introduced to sellouts like Fezzik, and touts like Vegas Dave, Kelly In Vegas, etc instead of getting real, insightful information from people like John Murray and others actually in the industry with real information on who's betting what, what way books think the line will move, what are the sharps on, etc.

Rufus Peabody is extremely well respected in the sports betting industry. His bets move lines, specifically his prop bets.

As far as Spanky goes, he's just a steam bettor. Blows a lot of smoke online, but he's just betting numbers immediately when they move. Anyone can do that, his plays aren't organic from himself.
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February 13th, 2019 at 7:44:11 AM permalink
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Needless to say, 90% of people are either clueless or con men. Fezic, RJ bell, etc. There's a lot of sports betting talk on the radio in LV and for whatever reason, they are only interested in con men.



I must say that I do enjoy listening to Fezzik and RJ Bell. Obviously they are touts, but I think they make good radio.
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February 13th, 2019 at 4:45:35 PM permalink
I don't listen to radio much, let alone sports talk but all those people talk about is "this teams gonna cover, so bet them" and no info on the numbers which is the most important part. -105 has different breakeven rates as opposed to -110 bruh
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February 13th, 2019 at 4:51:55 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

It could be the "con men" are buying the time. I refer and think of con men as those who sell picks. Is that what you also refer to? One look at the "VIP" crap on you tube and you will get the complete picture. Recently saw an older episode where a guy supposedly owed them $31.000.USD(half of $62,000) won.



Some of them buy time. Dave Cokin has a bought show.

Regular sports shows have guys like RJ Bell on a lot. Stephen A Smith and Cowherd both have him on.

Deadspin ran a big article documenting that his touts actually ran worse than a coin flipper over thousands of picks, and with a furtive recording of RJ talking about what suckers his clients are. It had no impact on him being invited on those shows. Guess they don't care if the fans who made them millionaires are hornswaggled out of their pay checks.
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February 13th, 2019 at 5:49:12 PM permalink
Why anyone would listen to a tout is beyond me.

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February 14th, 2019 at 2:19:40 AM permalink
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Why anyone would listen to a tout is beyond me.

Have your own opinion. If you’re wrong, try and learn from it.



If a show was done right I think there would be a decent market. But that means the show cannot just be a vehicle for selling picks. It would as I said need to be like "Thestreet.com" when it was on, or "Bulls and Bears" when it was on. Take apart why the touts are making this or that pick. It would need to be a cross between a general sports show and a sports betting show.

Hard part is when would a good show air? Saturday morning is logical in football season, but that makes you lose the first weekend of March Madness. Special day could be done for that. But the show might drag in summer with just baseball to bet, unless it took in the international soccer leagues, but they have fewer viewers.

If only I worked at ESPN.
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February 14th, 2019 at 2:50:28 AM permalink
It could never really work. IDKS about Wall Street, but I suspect the shows you mentioned are pretty useless too.

If someone's picks actually beat the market, there is a .001% chance they would give them out on TV. If they did, then you'd have 4 seconds to get your bet in. Then, after a while, someone would reverse engineer their methodology and it would be over.

Best you can hope for is like a good GWAE guest, who goes over their general approach and broad concepts. Nobody is going to say "a dealer named Sarah who works from 2 to 10 at the Venetian is exposing her cards."
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February 14th, 2019 at 3:34:24 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

It could never really work. IDKS about Wall Street, but I suspect the shows you mentioned are pretty useless too.

If someone's picks actually beat the market, there is a .001% chance they would give them out on TV. If they did, then you'd have 4 seconds to get your bet in. Then, after a while, someone would reverse engineer their methodology and it would be over.

Best you can hope for is like a good GWAE guest, who goes over their general approach and broad concepts. Nobody is going to say "a dealer named Sarah who works from 2 to 10 at the Venetian is exposing her cards."



That's the idea. General discussion and picks. Some picks you take, other you learn the methodology, others are just entertainment.

The Wall Street shows had guests who regularly gave out their picks. Usually they were already in the stock, but the point was they got both a paycheck out of the show as well as regular exposure. Some people like to be TV stars. Remember Jimmy the Greek? He made a franchise out of making and explaining picks, and he had to do it by pretending he was talking about something else.

It would have to cover multiple angles. Nobody is going to tune in to just hear a few picks, "Bovada has a weak line on the Bills....." But they will tune in to hear an injury report. Hear how weather might affect each team. What officiating crew is working the game and their tendencies. And so on.
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February 14th, 2019 at 5:32:19 AM permalink
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If a show was done right I think there would be a decent market. But that means the show cannot just be a vehicle for selling picks. It would as I said need to be like "Thestreet.com" when it was on, or "Bulls and Bears" when it was on. Take apart why the touts are making this or that pick. It would need to be a cross between a general sports show and a sports betting show.

Hard part is when would a good show air? Saturday morning is logical in football season, but that makes you lose the first weekend of March Madness. Special day could be done for that. But the show might drag in summer with just baseball to bet, unless it took in the international soccer leagues, but they have fewer viewers.

If only I worked at ESPN.



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February 14th, 2019 at 8:33:46 AM permalink
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That's the idea. General discussion and picks. Some picks you take, other you learn the methodology, others are just entertainment.

The Wall Street shows had guests who regularly gave out their picks. Usually they were already in the stock, but the point was they got both a paycheck out of the show as well as regular exposure. Some people like to be TV stars. Remember Jimmy the Greek? He made a franchise out of making and explaining picks, and he had to do it by pretending he was talking about something else.

It would have to cover multiple angles. Nobody is going to tune in to just hear a few picks, "Bovada has a weak line on the Bills....." But they will tune in to hear an injury report. Hear how weather might affect each team. What officiating crew is working the game and their tendencies. And so on.



Again, nobody is going to give you legitimate "picks" on such a large platform. Some people give decent picks on forums or twitter.

Even then, the lines are going to move often enough that it's not worth while. From what I can tell, Stuckey is an honest guy. When you see his picks, about 1/4 will no longer be available.

Injury and weather reports aren't very useful in a vacuum.

I'd guess the same goes for a lot of those stocks. I think 99.9% of people offering stock picks are throwing darts. Maybe, occasionally, someone has a real insight into why the market is wrong. I did once. After 9/11 I was pretty sure that a couple of buildings burning down wouldn't destroy the U.S. economy. But I just picked a stock almost at random.

If these people do somehow know, then I think a lot of the time the stock price has already gone up by the time they tell you about it.

Anyway, I'm not saying such a show couldn't be popular, or entertaining among people who don't know what they are doing. Just that it could never really be very useful.
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February 14th, 2019 at 5:14:23 PM permalink
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Anybody can make a podcast.



Which is so great about the modern world.
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February 14th, 2019 at 5:24:44 PM permalink
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Again, nobody is going to give you legitimate "picks" on such a large platform. Some people give decent picks on forums or twitter.

Even then, the lines are going to move often enough that it's not worth while. From what I can tell, Stuckey is an honest guy. When you see his picks, about 1/4 will no longer be available.

Injury and weather reports aren't very useful in a vacuum.

I'd guess the same goes for a lot of those stocks. I think 99.9% of people offering stock picks are throwing darts. Maybe, occasionally, someone has a real insight into why the market is wrong. I did once. After 9/11 I was pretty sure that a couple of buildings burning down wouldn't destroy the U.S. economy. But I just picked a stock almost at random.

If these people do somehow know, then I think a lot of the time the stock price has already gone up by the time they tell you about it.

Anyway, I'm not saying such a show couldn't be popular, or entertaining among people who don't know what they are doing. Just that it could never really be very useful.



You are not seeing where I am coming from. I am not talking about three guys just making picks. I am talking discussion about the weeks games at a high level, but not driven like the regular pregame shows we have today. I am talking about from a bettors POV.

You are pretty useless as a bettor if you just tune in a show and pick what they say to pick. But like a good investor will listen to business shows to gain investment insights so will a good bettor to get information. Not going to find out if the QB is on coke or has a knocked up GF, but plenty of ideas.

By your logic this site is the same kind of useless. But you show up. Right?
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February 14th, 2019 at 5:38:04 PM permalink
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...Nobody is going to say "a dealer named Sarah who works from 2 to 10 at the Venetian is exposing her cards."


Idk about that....the way some characters are posting on these online forums, I wouldn't put it past 'em.

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February 14th, 2019 at 6:01:12 PM permalink
I come here mostly for social and entertainment reasons. The only 2 plays I can think of that I got from this site are parlay cards and UX vulturing. Those are a bit different. They are just things where the casinos don't give TOO much of a crap if some people win, because most are getting brutally raped. The real gains have come from befriending people who taught me stuff nobody shares in public.

Profitably investing in sports, to my knowledge, relies on one of 2 things. Either knowing how to find off market numbers. IDK how a show could help that. Or handicapping. This means, you make your own number and then try to find numbers that you think are off. This is very difficult and takes a lot of time. You simply aren't going to achieve it by watching a TV show.

The most a TV show or Pod can really do is give you an idea of what to aim for and which tools to build.

I can't cap NFL or whatever, but I used to do OK in boxing. I'd watch at least the 3 most recent fights from each fighter. I had a template with something like 20 categories. I'd rate and make notes on each of those. I did share my picks on SBR, mostly in hopes of building relationships and it worked. I met my guru. A guy who went from working in a video store to being on pace to retire at 45. If you are trying to handicap without that level of time and effort, you are wasting your time.

Even handicappers are mostly line shoppers. Nobody can magically know that the patriots will win the SB. You are usually just trying to find small advantages. Widely available lines are hard to beat, no matter who you are. This is why the term "picks" is somewhat misleading. What you are really doing is trying to find a number that compares favorably to yours.

I won't go on and on about Wall Street, as I don't know much about it. But I just don't think there are really many "intelligent" stock pickers. I think you see a lot of survivorship and people pulling stuff out of their butts. Also, it is a +sum game where sprots is a -sum game. If I invested in stocks, I'd only be interested in advice about things like distributing risk and getting tax breaks. I don't think anyone who can beat the king of markets would tell me ish.

If you'd like info on the subject, I highly recommend the book Sharper, by my friend, Poker Joe.

https://www.amazon.com/Sharper-Guide-Modern-Sports-Betting-ebook/dp/B01K5SDAKS

You can also follow a few people on twitter. Like GroovinMahoovin. His account is dormant but read his old tweets and check out who he follows. PokerJoe is on twitter too. He gives out picks sometimes but the numbers are usually not widely available because that's how it is.
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February 14th, 2019 at 8:31:25 PM permalink
+1 for PokerJoe I read his book and found it to be very knowledgable and interesting.

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Line shopping is probably the only chance a non-handicapper has in winning. I dunno anything about handicapping except trying to get one of those parking permits so I don't have to walk so damn far, but looking for the best line is something anyone can do with a computer, and a cell phone.
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February 16th, 2019 at 11:45:35 AM permalink
Probably never going to find much good stuff in this area. Sports talk is 90% crap as it is -- but through sheer volume of content, even with just 10% of the content being good, there will always be something worth listening to. The guys who are good know not to stick around on one topic too much. Devoting an entire show to one small area of the sports world is just asking for repetition at best, likely devolving into meaningless drivel very quickly. Sports talk radio in Las Vegas has a lot of good segments on sports betting. But the key is that it is only a couple of 15 minutes riffs or interviews over a three hour show.
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February 16th, 2019 at 6:04:20 PM permalink
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Probably never going to find much good stuff in this area. Sports talk is 90% crap as it is -- but through sheer volume of content, even with just 10% of the content being good, there will always be something worth listening to. The guys who are good know not to stick around on one topic too much. Devoting an entire show to one small area of the sports world is just asking for repetition at best, likely devolving into meaningless drivel very quickly. Sports talk radio in Las Vegas has a lot of good segments on sports betting. But the key is that it is only a couple of 15 minutes riffs or interviews over a three hour show.



My favorite segments are with the sports book directors.
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February 17th, 2019 at 5:05:01 AM permalink
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My favorite segments are with the sports book directors.



Too bad Rosenthal is dead.....
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February 20th, 2019 at 4:37:52 PM permalink
I see that Turner Broadcasting will be building a TV studio right inside the sports book at Caesars Palace to "create shows or video aimed at those gamblers" in order to "capitalize on the burgeoning growth of sports betting". Do any of you Vegas dwellers have a Caesars scoop?
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February 20th, 2019 at 7:02:15 PM permalink
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Sports talk radio in Las Vegas has a lot of good segments on sports betting. w.



If so, I never hear them.

There are a couple shows I enjoy but I can barely listen to the gambling segments.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 11:56:02 AM permalink
For those looking for their sports betting podcast.....


I have been listening to "Gamble On" which is not just sports betting but sports betting news, some gaming news, and actual picks. It is pretty good listening, out once or twice a week. They have had a few interesting insights, like take the dog in the first half in the NCAA tourney as the favorite will take some time to figure them out and their coach will get on them at the halftime locker room break. I didn't hear results on the one, but that is the kind of discussion I was talking about when I started the thread.

They seem to be based in the Philly/AC area, so talk centers more on PA/NJ books than Vegas/NV. Their news segments are about this area because this is the part of the country where sports betting and online poker are changing weekly here. They have their own "bank" they are betting, which includes things like Academy Award props. They state the bets they will place and the status of the bank. That part is more fun than educational.

If you do podcasts give it a listen.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 5:29:48 PM permalink
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It is pretty good listening, out once or twice a week. They have had a few interesting insights, like take the dog in the first half in the NCAA tourney as the favorite will take some time to figure them out and their coach will get on them at the halftime locker room break. I didn't hear results on the one, but that is the kind of discussion I was talking about when I started the thread.



Be very wary of any theory without data. The example of bets they say are good lose very often (and often for the exact reasons they talk about). I made a lot of money betting favorites in first half on teams that had sufficient intrinsic motivation as well as basketball skills that could be generalized to unfamiliar opponents.

The same is also true for data without theory. My favorite is all the data that shows playing basketball makes people taller.

I'll check it out and give it a chance.
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April 4th, 2019 at 2:36:47 AM permalink
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Be very wary of any theory without data. The example of bets they say are good lose very often (and often for the exact reasons they talk about). I made a lot of money betting favorites in first half on teams that had sufficient intrinsic motivation as well as basketball skills that could be generalized to unfamiliar opponents.

The same is also true for data without theory. My favorite is all the data that shows playing basketball makes people taller.

I'll check it out and give it a chance.



They usually give some data and history, but thankfully just enough to be entertaining not so much that they sound like some hedge fund quant guy. That's the thing about sports betting, numbers go so far, but each game is played by humans so you have to account different than cards or dice of a ball falling randomly.
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February 25th, 2024 at 3:37:39 PM permalink
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For those looking for their sports betting podcast.....


I have been listening to "Gamble On" which is not just sports betting but sports betting news, some gaming news, and actual picks. It is pretty good listening, out once or twice a week. They have had a few interesting insights, like take the dog in the first half in the NCAA tourney as the favorite will take some time to figure them out and their coach will get on them at the halftime locker room break. I didn't hear results on the one, but that is the kind of discussion I was talking about when I started the thread.

They seem to be based in the Philly/AC area, so talk centers more on PA/NJ books than Vegas/NV. Their news segments are about this area because this is the part of the country where sports betting and online poker are changing weekly here. They have their own "bank" they are betting, which includes things like Academy Award props. They state the bets they will place and the status of the bank. That part is more fun than educational.

If you do podcasts give it a listen.
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Did anybody else listen to Gamble On? They seem to have vanished without notice. Happens with podcasts, but wish I knew more.
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