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June 15th, 2019 at 9:03:22 AM permalink
If I put in 250 can I make a 500 bet or do I have to do 250 and then I have access to the other 250
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June 15th, 2019 at 9:53:46 AM permalink
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If I put in 250 can I make a 500 bet or do I have to do 250 and then I have access to the other 250



Couldn’t answer that one. Have to refer you to their customer service chat.
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June 17th, 2019 at 6:35:28 AM permalink
BREAKING NEWS

Maybe not totally breaking, but haven't seen it on WoV yet.

Sugar House is to be rebranded as "Rivers" presumably "Rivers Philadelphia" to avoid confusion. No word on timeframe or if Rivers will now or soon will be "Rivers Pittsburgh."

I'm not a fan, kind of like "Sugar House" and not the biggest fan of making casinos all the same name in different cities. OTOH I will be done caring after I hit "post" so whatever. Just want to let GWAE and all the other PA Peeps know.
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June 17th, 2019 at 10:52:03 AM permalink
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BREAKING NEWS

Maybe not totally breaking, but haven't seen it on WoV yet.

Sugar House is to be rebranded as "Rivers" presumably "Rivers Philadelphia" to avoid confusion. No word on timeframe or if Rivers will now or soon will be "Rivers Pittsburgh."

I'm not a fan, kind of like "Sugar House" and not the biggest fan of making casinos all the same name in different cities. OTOH I will be done caring after I hit "post" so whatever. Just want to let GWAE and all the other PA Peeps know.



They have always been owned but the same people with separate play clubs. I always wished they had the same because I did a tier match in philly to high card and was hoping pgh with match that but they wouldn't
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June 17th, 2019 at 12:22:10 PM permalink
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BREAKING NEWS

Maybe not totally breaking, but haven't seen it on WoV yet.

Sugar House is to be rebranded as "Rivers" presumably "Rivers Philadelphia" to avoid confusion. No word on timeframe or if Rivers will now or soon will be "Rivers Pittsburgh."

I'm not a fan, kind of like "Sugar House" and not the biggest fan of making casinos all the same name in different cities. OTOH I will be done caring after I hit "post" so whatever. Just want to let GWAE and all the other PA Peeps know.



They have always been owned but the same people with separate play clubs. I always wished they had the same because I did a tier match in philly to high card and was hoping pgh with match that but they wouldn't



Until today I did not know of the common ownership. Perhaps they unify the PC?
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June 21st, 2019 at 4:59:18 AM permalink
For those interested, Sugar House online had 3 "soft launch" days in PA and one partial day (site opened mid-day?) in May for a handle of around $570,000. Compare that to about $34MM in all books in the state. Not sure how many casinos have books yet.

Call it just over $1MM per day across a counter for all casinos. One online place does half of that on a soft-open. Clearly the other casinos have to get online or really miss out.

Question I have is, does NV allow online sports wagering the same way PA does?
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June 21st, 2019 at 5:30:01 AM permalink
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Question I have is, does NV allow online sports wagering the same way PA does?



yes
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June 25th, 2019 at 3:51:08 PM permalink
Here is another play. Rivers Casino (Pittsburgh) is set to go live with their online window. Same $250 bonus as at Sugar House, same code, and the web page looks like the same shell of a program. But why care? $250 match!

I cannot see the playthru requirement yet, but I expect it to be the same as SH, being they are the same parent company.

Please note that they are in a "test" today and tomorrow. I do not know if that means internal or GCB. But it does mean you might not be able to log on at odd hours. No big deal, but be aware.

MODS: Same deal as before. This is not spam, I have no affiliate relationship with them, just giving my fellow PA punters heads-up on what amounts to a free $250 bet.

https://pa.betrivers.com/
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June 25th, 2019 at 4:33:08 PM permalink
They were testing today something like 2pm to 7pm. Then I think tomorrow 12-5pm. If gaming is satisfied then it goes live on Thursday. I would assume it will be fine since it is same platform as sugarhouse.
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June 25th, 2019 at 4:48:28 PM permalink
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They were testing today something like 2pm to 7pm. Then I think tomorrow 12-5pm. If gaming is satisfied then it goes live on Thursday. I would assume it will be fine since it is same platform as sugarhouse.



Will be interesting to see the handle. SH was about $500K for their test and day at the end of last month. Might put some of the runners out of a job.
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June 25th, 2019 at 5:12:28 PM permalink
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Will be interesting to see the handle. SH was about $500K for their test and day at the end of last month. Might put some of the runners out of a job.



Or they could give their regular clients a persistence break on the vig. 105 instead of 110? It's a free market, and there is some value in credit extension and anonymity.
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June 28th, 2019 at 5:26:38 AM permalink
OK, PA Peeps, yet another one.

https://www.parxcasino.com/bensalem/sportsbetting

Free $10 bet to sign up
Same $250 match as the other two books.

Same deal as before, this is NOT an affiliate link. Do your homework to make sure you get the matches.
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July 2nd, 2019 at 9:13:03 AM permalink
It is not the same $250 match as the other two books. It is an up to $250 free bet you receive if you lose your initial deposit in a single wager.

Lose a $50 wager, get a $50 free bet. Lose $250, get a $250 free bet.
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July 2nd, 2019 at 11:43:23 AM permalink
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It is not the same $250 match as the other two books. It is an up to $250 free bet you receive if you lose your initial deposit in a single wager.

Lose a $50 wager, get a $50 free bet. Lose $250, get a $250 free bet.



still not bad for me. Wife and I take opposite sides. One of us doubles up and the other gets 250 free to turn the profit. Maybe not as easy as the match for a single person to do it.
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July 2nd, 2019 at 11:01:26 PM permalink
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still not bad for me. Wife and I take opposite sides. One of us doubles up and the other gets 250 free to turn the profit. Maybe not as easy as the match for a single person to do it.



If you're happy to piss away hundreds in EV, then go nuts.
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July 3rd, 2019 at 6:22:14 AM permalink
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If you're happy to piss away hundreds in EV, then go nuts.



What other way to do it?

I am less than 50% correct life time doing bets so getting 50% seems ok to me.

One thing about ev is it has variance. With only limited amounts of bets within promo I could easily be way down. I prefer to lock in a guaranteed win.
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July 3rd, 2019 at 11:35:36 AM permalink
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What other way to do it?

I am less than 50% correct life time doing bets so getting 50% seems ok to me.

One thing about ev is it has variance. With only limited amounts of bets within promo I could easily be way down. I prefer to lock in a guaranteed win.

There is nothing wrong with that. I like your style. Whats that saying about the best pie being free pie? Whatever it takes to pocket some guaranteed cash. It must be an amount that's significant to you, of course. You can't earn more money with EV, you actually need cash.

Sometimes people are motivated by free money, in turn they put in more hours and look for more opportunities. Variance is one of the biggest factors in AP's failing.

Obviously I don't advocate guaranteeing yourself a free $100 when you have thousands + in EV and can afford it.
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July 3rd, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM permalink
Tennessee just legalized sports betting as of July 1st. Fanduel is the only current book, although they do not have exclusive rights, so anybody with 750K to plunk down may conceivably join the fray.

Fanduel is offering a $500 rebate on losing the first wager. One simply has to be in Tennessee, as the rules are currently worded. I imagine that could change.

I don't understand the criticism of two people taking both sides of the same game, especially if you can massage a half point here or there. Even the most arrogant dude in the world is not going to expect to win more than 58% long term, so "lost EV" would be minimal.
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July 3rd, 2019 at 1:15:59 PM permalink
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What other way to do it?

it's really encouraging to know you don't read the other posts. The guy who is proud of himself for asking the questions but doesn't listen to the answers?
Quote:

... One thing about ev is it has variance. With only limited amounts of bets within promo I could easily be way down. I prefer to lock in a guaranteed win.

Now I do have to admit I understand this point of view completely. And yet again the advice is mixed from reasonable people.

The Wizard seems to have promised to address this in his next AMA at youtube or in an Ask-the-W. At least I am going to bug him till he does.
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July 3rd, 2019 at 1:44:32 PM permalink
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The Wizard seems to have promised to address this in his next AMA at youtube or in an Ask-the-W. At least I am going to bug him till he does.

Yes, we must have it thoroughly explained to everyone including the casinos so they realize just how bad pf a mistake they are making and figure out something else.
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July 3rd, 2019 at 1:53:31 PM permalink
I have to step in here and say this. As I see it, the use of the term "EV" is sports betting is problematic. Sports betting is a game of opinion, not numbers. The term EV (without quotation marks) is appropriate when referencing video poker or blackjack or fair coin flips. But I think it's arrogant to try to assign EV to games of opinion.

Technically, logically, and in the service of some kind of personal humility, nobody should be assigning EV to future events with future spreads whose provenance is opaque.
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July 3rd, 2019 at 3:12:23 PM permalink
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There is nothing wrong with that [hedging to guarantee something back]. I like your style. ... Whatever it takes to pocket some guaranteed cash.

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Yes, we must have it [smartest play with loss rebate] thoroughly explained to everyone including the casinos so they realize just how bad pf a mistake they are making and figure out something else.

hmmm, taking both sides here?
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July 3rd, 2019 at 3:28:10 PM permalink
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There is nothing wrong with that [hedging to guarantee something back]. I like your style. ... Whatever it takes to pocket some guaranteed cash.

Quote: AxelWolf

Yes, we must have it [smartest play with loss rebate] thoroughly explained to everyone including the casinos so they realize just how bad pf a mistake they are making and figure out something else.

hmmm, taking both sides here?

Hedging my bets.
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July 3rd, 2019 at 4:03:45 PM permalink
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it's really encouraging to know you don't read the other posts. The guy who is proud of himself for asking the questions but doesn't listen to the answers?
Now I do have to admit I understand this point of view completely. And yet again the advice is mixed from reasonable people.

The Wizard seems to have promised to address this in his next AMA at youtube or in an Ask-the-W. At least I am going to bug him till he does.



I guess I am getting dumb then because I do not remember reading different ways other that grind it out.

If there were 2500 different opportunities to get this loss rebate then I would be ok with a variance. With there being very limited opportunities then I ok with taking the least amount of variance possible. +1200 is better for me than having a spread of 200- 4000 or whatever
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July 4th, 2019 at 12:46:08 AM permalink
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I guess I am getting dumb then because I do not remember reading different ways other that grind it out.

If there were 2500 different opportunities to get this loss rebate then I would be ok with a variance. With there being very limited opportunities then I ok with taking the least amount of variance possible. +1200 is better for me than having a spread of 200- 4000 or whatever

Just figure out how to get some accounts in your kids name.
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July 4th, 2019 at 2:46:21 AM permalink
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Just figure out how to get some accounts in your kids name.



Or gamble, and make a deal with your ex.
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July 21st, 2019 at 10:27:44 AM permalink
I screwed up and put $500 on parx, but I didnt click the sports bet bonus so it went in as a casino deposit and they matched it. I was going to call to see if I can have it fixed but I figured ahh wtf I will just play it. This was at 7am. play through was 20x the bonus so 10x the total balance. I just spent the last 7 hours playing at $3-$7 per bet which is way higher than my normal. I put 10k coin in at just cashed out at $1629.87. I had 3 hits of over $800 but none over 1200 for a w2g. It was a good morning. I will be curious if I will get some offers via the online casino or their land based. 10k coin in on slots I think is pretty strong even when they spotted $500 of the bankroll. I guess I will see.
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July 26th, 2019 at 12:13:27 PM permalink
GWAE and all other fellow sportsbetting degenerates, including myself!

pa.sportsbook.fanduel.com is now up and running. $500 1st bet refund!

I have not read the full details but this one looks to be a refund on your first bet up to $500. I have just had a few minutes to look here while I work, but this looks at least as good as the $250 deposit match. Ideal AP would be to bet the $500 there and another $500 somewhere else, taking both sides. Or just pick and make a bet, take an actual chance.

GWAE, input, please, as you are the other main PA guy on here.
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July 26th, 2019 at 2:10:33 PM permalink
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GWAE and all other fellow sportsbetting degenerates, including myself!

pa.sportsbook.fanduel.com is now up and running. $500 1st bet refund!

I have not read the full details but this one looks to be a refund on your first bet up to $500. I have just had a few minutes to look here while I work, but this looks at least as good as the $250 deposit match. Ideal AP would be to bet the $500 there and another $500 somewhere else, taking both sides. Or just pick and make a bet, take an actual chance.

GWAE, input, please, as you are the other main PA guy on here.



I got a warning from parx today. They have a 250 free bet like fan duel has. I bet opposite sides on -110 each. One on my account and 1 on wife's. One wins and other loses and gets the free bet. I haven't looked at fan duel so not sure exactly if it is a refund or free bet. I believe it is a free bet on a losing bet.
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July 26th, 2019 at 3:24:06 PM permalink
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I got a warning from parx today. They have a 250 free bet like fan duel has. I bet opposite sides on -110 each. One on my account and 1 on wife's. One wins and other loses and gets the free bet. I haven't looked at fan duel so not sure exactly if it is a refund or free bet. I believe it is a free bet on a losing bet.



I got my Sugar House payout today. Now I can put that in one of these other promos! I have nobody to split the deal with so will just take my chances.

GambleOn podcast said that PA is currently the center of the universe when it comes to gambling news. I figure there to be several more sports books, so we can work this like its 2005.
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July 26th, 2019 at 3:45:17 PM permalink
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I got my Sugar House payout today. Now I can put that in one of these other promos! I have nobody to split the deal with so will just take my chances.

GambleOn podcast said that PA is currently the center of the universe when it comes to gambling news. I figure there to be several more sports books, so we can work this like its 2005.



Did you just grind it out? How much did you profit off of the free 250
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July 26th, 2019 at 3:58:19 PM permalink
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Did you just grind it out? How much did you profit off of the free 250



I screwed up and just got $250. Did a live-bet sale while a dog was ahead hoping they would fall behind and collect both ends. But should I complain about a free $250?
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July 26th, 2019 at 4:52:31 PM permalink
That's not remotely close to ideal AP. It is the best way to kill the promotion.
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July 27th, 2019 at 4:07:59 AM permalink
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That's not remotely close to ideal AP. It is the best way to kill the promotion.



It would have been ideal if the dog had fell behind to stay. I don't see how it will kill their promotion. They offer live betting and I took live betting.
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August 16th, 2019 at 8:45:33 AM permalink
Sports is affecting PA casinos.

Per GambleOn, 3 PA casinos petitioned to lower slot machine counts. One PA rep fought it as PA places mafia-level tax rates on slots, and he cared more about that than the jobs the sports books provide. Mostly it is sports books taking floor space from slots, and of course the least played slots would be removed. Request granted.

Meanwhile, Rivers in Pittsburgh is being remodeled so some slots had to be yanked. Slot revenue went up! At least the owners are seeing beyond having a sea of slots instead of a sports book.
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October 4th, 2019 at 5:11:29 AM permalink
RIVERS PITTSBURGH REPORT

The permanent sports book opened this week. For those of you who know the casino, it is where the "Levels" bar used to be. This was a dead corner of the casino, now it has life.

Plenty of seats and it edges up to a bar for gametime enjoyment. I assume there will be waitresses walking the place when it is busier. When you see all the huge screens you might think back just 20 years when such a thing would not be possible. I can see it being SRO for big games or matches.

OTOH, the betting window is not right there and not labeled well. I am sure they want you using the kiosks, but come on, guys.
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September 13th, 2020 at 8:42:35 AM permalink
Anyone else see the 50% "profit boost" at Rivers/Sugar House? Trying to get more details, but looks like it goes all year. That is powerful! Even if only on one game per week looks like great EV.
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