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AZDuffman
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December 14th, 2018 at 7:53:16 PM permalink
SPORTS BETTING IS NOW LIVE IN PA!

Well, it is in a "test" yesterday and today. As long as the casino "passes" it goes permanent Saturday. I assume they would have to really mess up to fail. But for now there is a weird sign saying something about you cannot bet after today. IIRC when they opened tables they had an invite-only period of a few days to let the opening crew dealers break in gently.

Anyways, I walk in and there it is "SPORTSBOOK!" Only got to bet sports once in my Vegas trips---first time I was there was by chance the days there are no sports to bet in North America. The one time I did I wished I lived there during the heyday of the legendary Stardust book. The book here is nowhere near that big, but it is nice with a bunch of tables and lots of screens, at the time I was there tuned to some show dedicated to sports betting (Draft Kings or something like that.) Did make a few observations.

First, they really are helping new bettors if they want it. I was approached in seconds to see if I had any questions. I asked about where I could see the boards and which line to get in. They have a line for people betting a dime and up, so they must expect some real action. As to the boards, a design flaw in Rivers as you cannot get a good view of them. I realize they have limited space, but they need to be twice the size and easier to see.

There may be foot traffic problems. Guy behind me complained out loud, I just dealt with it. They are also openly nudging people to use the kiosks. Maybe next time, but for now I could not resist walking up and making a legal sports bet across the counter. I was told they do not even take your PC when you bet. If it is because margins on sports are so low or they rented the concession out I do not know. Any Vegas residents can chime in if they take a PC on sports bets out there?

While I was sitting there a manager did a table-touch. Told him I was just taking it all in. Suggested they put up a pic of Frank Rosenthal. I asked someone else if they had parlay sheets. That seemed to stump the guy I asked, though I think it is still so new they are not out yet. Not that I really wanted to play one, more wanted to see if they had them.

I took Patriots -3, -104. When I looked at the hard copy of the lines it was -105, indicating they may be massaging lines and vig as needed to balance action. I figure that is a good thing.

Just when I tune out most sports from my life, maybe a reason to follow them again. Though I will never, ever root for anything besides a point spread again in my life.
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December 14th, 2018 at 8:11:05 PM permalink
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Just when I tune out most sports from my life, maybe a reason to follow them again. Though I will never, ever root for anything besides a point spread again in my life.



i dont even watch sports or care for them, but your post makes me want to throw my money away just to see and say i did it. But with all of that political crap being pulled, i believe this is the correct response to all of that as what do you do when you lose most of your viewer to a kneeler? get em hooked on gambling!
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December 14th, 2018 at 8:38:48 PM permalink
I hope the Steelers fans lose all kinds of money now their team is headed downward, so they can pay back all those wins they took joy in.

All I know is William Hill has their own card for sports bets.

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December 15th, 2018 at 4:21:35 AM permalink
I was as at rivers yesterday for poker. I think that temp sports book area is decent. I was looking for half point par lays or anything fun but didnt see anything like that.
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December 15th, 2018 at 4:45:40 AM permalink
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I was as at rivers yesterday for poker. I think that temp sports book area is decent. I was looking for half point par lays or anything fun but didnt see anything like that.



correct me if im wrong but i think people should know that the sportbooks in pa cant be made online and that you have to go to a casino, which has an app that allows you to bet online. but you have to be at a physical casino location to make the bet...
AZDuffman
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December 15th, 2018 at 6:10:13 AM permalink
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I was as at rivers yesterday for poker. I think that temp sports book area is decent. I was looking for half point par lays or anything fun but didnt see anything like that.



Are they going to move it somewhere else for the long term? Meadows has the real advantage there as they could just build out the racebook area for sports and have tons of room.
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AZDuffman
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December 15th, 2018 at 6:17:00 AM permalink
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I hope the Steelers fans lose all kinds of money now their team is headed downward, so they can pay back all those wins they took joy in.



I took joy in making my first bet there against them, right across the street from their stadium. I wonder if the book has a lay-off partner to balance the action as long-term there cannot be enough like me who care about the point spread and not the team. A quick look at the Bovada line shows almost the same terms I got, their vig is a meaningless penny more charge to bet the Pats. Long term maybe check for arbitrage opps, though I doubt that will be worth the effort.
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December 15th, 2018 at 6:22:40 AM permalink
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I took joy in making my first bet there against them, right across the street from their stadium. I wonder if the book has a lay-off partner to balance the action as long-term there cannot be enough like me who care about the point spread and not the team. A quick look at the Bovada line shows almost the same terms I got, their vig is a meaningless penny more charge to bet the Pats. Long term maybe check for arbitrage opps, though I doubt that will be worth the effort.



You are correct that there will be a lot more bets on the local team but that doesn't mean that the books will need to lay off wagers. Generally the masses are making very small bets while the sharp bettors are making larger bets. If they get too many $100 bets from the small players they will move the line and a sharp bettor will come in and make a limit bet on the other side. I don't know what the limits are in PA, but in vegas you can easily get $200,000 bet on an NFL game.

I know guys that will have $500,000 in action on a Sunday.
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December 15th, 2018 at 6:24:05 AM permalink
A few places in Vegas take player's cards. Stations does. Westgate offers you the most. I think you get .3% in comps maybe.

Who runs the book?
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December 15th, 2018 at 7:09:45 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

You are correct that there will be a lot more bets on the local team but that doesn't mean that the books will need to lay off wagers. Generally the masses are making very small bets while the sharp bettors are making larger bets. If they get too many $100 bets from the small players they will move the line and a sharp bettor will come in and make a limit bet on the other side. I don't know what the limits are in PA, but in vegas you can easily get $200,000 bet on an NFL game.

I know guys that will have $500,000 in action on a Sunday.



No idea the limits, but that they have a line for a dime and up says they expect a few sharps with big rolls. I do not see much six figure action as lets face it, those guys are already in Vegas and would prefer to be able to shop several places and not deal with the snow and cold.



Quote: Rigondeaux

A few places in Vegas take player's cards. Stations does. Westgate offers you the most. I think you get .3% in comps maybe.

Who runs the book?



Thanks for that info. Maybe they will take the PC when they get "approved." Not so much that I care as am curious.

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