PA Sportsbooks now live!
Quote: GWAEIf I put in 250 can I make a 500 bet or do I have to do 250 and then I have access to the other 250
Couldn’t answer that one. Have to refer you to their customer service chat.
Maybe not totally breaking, but haven't seen it on WoV yet.
Sugar House is to be rebranded as "Rivers" presumably "Rivers Philadelphia" to avoid confusion. No word on timeframe or if Rivers will now or soon will be "Rivers Pittsburgh."
I'm not a fan, kind of like "Sugar House" and not the biggest fan of making casinos all the same name in different cities. OTOH I will be done caring after I hit "post" so whatever. Just want to let GWAE and all the other PA Peeps know.
Quote: AZDuffmanBREAKING NEWS
Maybe not totally breaking, but haven't seen it on WoV yet.
Sugar House is to be rebranded as "Rivers" presumably "Rivers Philadelphia" to avoid confusion. No word on timeframe or if Rivers will now or soon will be "Rivers Pittsburgh."
I'm not a fan, kind of like "Sugar House" and not the biggest fan of making casinos all the same name in different cities. OTOH I will be done caring after I hit "post" so whatever. Just want to let GWAE and all the other PA Peeps know.
They have always been owned but the same people with separate play clubs. I always wished they had the same because I did a tier match in philly to high card and was hoping pgh with match that but they wouldn't
Quote: GWAEQuote: AZDuffmanBREAKING NEWS
Maybe not totally breaking, but haven't seen it on WoV yet.
Sugar House is to be rebranded as "Rivers" presumably "Rivers Philadelphia" to avoid confusion. No word on timeframe or if Rivers will now or soon will be "Rivers Pittsburgh."
I'm not a fan, kind of like "Sugar House" and not the biggest fan of making casinos all the same name in different cities. OTOH I will be done caring after I hit "post" so whatever. Just want to let GWAE and all the other PA Peeps know.
They have always been owned but the same people with separate play clubs. I always wished they had the same because I did a tier match in philly to high card and was hoping pgh with match that but they wouldn't
Until today I did not know of the common ownership. Perhaps they unify the PC?
Call it just over $1MM per day across a counter for all casinos. One online place does half of that on a soft-open. Clearly the other casinos have to get online or really miss out.
Question I have is, does NV allow online sports wagering the same way PA does?
Quote: AZDuffman
Question I have is, does NV allow online sports wagering the same way PA does?
yes
I cannot see the playthru requirement yet, but I expect it to be the same as SH, being they are the same parent company.
Please note that they are in a "test" today and tomorrow. I do not know if that means internal or GCB. But it does mean you might not be able to log on at odd hours. No big deal, but be aware.
MODS: Same deal as before. This is not spam, I have no affiliate relationship with them, just giving my fellow PA punters heads-up on what amounts to a free $250 bet.
https://pa.betrivers.com/
Quote: GWAEThey were testing today something like 2pm to 7pm. Then I think tomorrow 12-5pm. If gaming is satisfied then it goes live on Thursday. I would assume it will be fine since it is same platform as sugarhouse.
Will be interesting to see the handle. SH was about $500K for their test and day at the end of last month. Might put some of the runners out of a job.
Quote: AZDuffmanWill be interesting to see the handle. SH was about $500K for their test and day at the end of last month. Might put some of the runners out of a job.
Or they could give their regular clients a persistence break on the vig. 105 instead of 110? It's a free market, and there is some value in credit extension and anonymity.
https://www.parxcasino.com/bensalem/sportsbetting
Free $10 bet to sign up
Same $250 match as the other two books.
Same deal as before, this is NOT an affiliate link. Do your homework to make sure you get the matches.
Lose a $50 wager, get a $50 free bet. Lose $250, get a $250 free bet.
Quote: sabreIt is not the same $250 match as the other two books. It is an up to $250 free bet you receive if you lose your initial deposit in a single wager.
Lose a $50 wager, get a $50 free bet. Lose $250, get a $250 free bet.
still not bad for me. Wife and I take opposite sides. One of us doubles up and the other gets 250 free to turn the profit. Maybe not as easy as the match for a single person to do it.
Quote: GWAEstill not bad for me. Wife and I take opposite sides. One of us doubles up and the other gets 250 free to turn the profit. Maybe not as easy as the match for a single person to do it.
If you're happy to piss away hundreds in EV, then go nuts.
Quote: sabreIf you're happy to piss away hundreds in EV, then go nuts.
What other way to do it?
I am less than 50% correct life time doing bets so getting 50% seems ok to me.
One thing about ev is it has variance. With only limited amounts of bets within promo I could easily be way down. I prefer to lock in a guaranteed win.
There is nothing wrong with that. I like your style. Whats that saying about the best pie being free pie? Whatever it takes to pocket some guaranteed cash. It must be an amount that's significant to you, of course. You can't earn more money with EV, you actually need cash.Quote: GWAEWhat other way to do it?
I am less than 50% correct life time doing bets so getting 50% seems ok to me.
One thing about ev is it has variance. With only limited amounts of bets within promo I could easily be way down. I prefer to lock in a guaranteed win.
Sometimes people are motivated by free money, in turn they put in more hours and look for more opportunities. Variance is one of the biggest factors in AP's failing.
Obviously I don't advocate guaranteeing yourself a free $100 when you have thousands + in EV and can afford it.
Fanduel is offering a $500 rebate on losing the first wager. One simply has to be in Tennessee, as the rules are currently worded. I imagine that could change.
I don't understand the criticism of two people taking both sides of the same game, especially if you can massage a half point here or there. Even the most arrogant dude in the world is not going to expect to win more than 58% long term, so "lost EV" would be minimal.
it's really encouraging to know you don't read the other posts. The guy who is proud of himself for asking the questions but doesn't listen to the answers?Quote: GWAEWhat other way to do it?
Now I do have to admit I understand this point of view completely. And yet again the advice is mixed from reasonable people.Quote:... One thing about ev is it has variance. With only limited amounts of bets within promo I could easily be way down. I prefer to lock in a guaranteed win.
The Wizard seems to have promised to address this in his next AMA at youtube or in an Ask-the-W. At least I am going to bug him till he does.
Yes, we must have it thoroughly explained to everyone including the casinos so they realize just how bad pf a mistake they are making and figure out something else.Quote: odiousgambit
The Wizard seems to have promised to address this in his next AMA at youtube or in an Ask-the-W. At least I am going to bug him till he does.
Technically, logically, and in the service of some kind of personal humility, nobody should be assigning EV to future events with future spreads whose provenance is opaque.
Quote: AxelWolfThere is nothing wrong with that [hedging to guarantee something back]. I like your style. ... Whatever it takes to pocket some guaranteed cash.
hmmm, taking both sides here?Quote: AxelWolfYes, we must have it [smartest play with loss rebate] thoroughly explained to everyone including the casinos so they realize just how bad pf a mistake they are making and figure out something else.
Hedging my bets.Quote: odiousgambitQuote: AxelWolfThere is nothing wrong with that [hedging to guarantee something back]. I like your style. ... Whatever it takes to pocket some guaranteed cash.
hmmm, taking both sides here?Quote: AxelWolfYes, we must have it [smartest play with loss rebate] thoroughly explained to everyone including the casinos so they realize just how bad pf a mistake they are making and figure out something else.
Quote: odiousgambitit's really encouraging to know you don't read the other posts. The guy who is proud of himself for asking the questions but doesn't listen to the answers?
Now I do have to admit I understand this point of view completely. And yet again the advice is mixed from reasonable people.
The Wizard seems to have promised to address this in his next AMA at youtube or in an Ask-the-W. At least I am going to bug him till he does.
I guess I am getting dumb then because I do not remember reading different ways other that grind it out.
If there were 2500 different opportunities to get this loss rebate then I would be ok with a variance. With there being very limited opportunities then I ok with taking the least amount of variance possible. +1200 is better for me than having a spread of 200- 4000 or whatever
Just figure out how to get some accounts in your kids name.Quote: GWAEI guess I am getting dumb then because I do not remember reading different ways other that grind it out.
If there were 2500 different opportunities to get this loss rebate then I would be ok with a variance. With there being very limited opportunities then I ok with taking the least amount of variance possible. +1200 is better for me than having a spread of 200- 4000 or whatever
Quote: AxelWolfJust figure out how to get some accounts in your kids name.
Or gamble, and make a deal with your ex.
pa.sportsbook.fanduel.com is now up and running. $500 1st bet refund!
I have not read the full details but this one looks to be a refund on your first bet up to $500. I have just had a few minutes to look here while I work, but this looks at least as good as the $250 deposit match. Ideal AP would be to bet the $500 there and another $500 somewhere else, taking both sides. Or just pick and make a bet, take an actual chance.
GWAE, input, please, as you are the other main PA guy on here.
Quote: AZDuffmanGWAE and all other fellow sportsbetting degenerates, including myself!
pa.sportsbook.fanduel.com is now up and running. $500 1st bet refund!
I have not read the full details but this one looks to be a refund on your first bet up to $500. I have just had a few minutes to look here while I work, but this looks at least as good as the $250 deposit match. Ideal AP would be to bet the $500 there and another $500 somewhere else, taking both sides. Or just pick and make a bet, take an actual chance.
GWAE, input, please, as you are the other main PA guy on here.
I got a warning from parx today. They have a 250 free bet like fan duel has. I bet opposite sides on -110 each. One on my account and 1 on wife's. One wins and other loses and gets the free bet. I haven't looked at fan duel so not sure exactly if it is a refund or free bet. I believe it is a free bet on a losing bet.
Quote: GWAEI got a warning from parx today. They have a 250 free bet like fan duel has. I bet opposite sides on -110 each. One on my account and 1 on wife's. One wins and other loses and gets the free bet. I haven't looked at fan duel so not sure exactly if it is a refund or free bet. I believe it is a free bet on a losing bet.
I got my Sugar House payout today. Now I can put that in one of these other promos! I have nobody to split the deal with so will just take my chances.
GambleOn podcast said that PA is currently the center of the universe when it comes to gambling news. I figure there to be several more sports books, so we can work this like its 2005.
Quote: AZDuffmanI got my Sugar House payout today. Now I can put that in one of these other promos! I have nobody to split the deal with so will just take my chances.
GambleOn podcast said that PA is currently the center of the universe when it comes to gambling news. I figure there to be several more sports books, so we can work this like its 2005.
Did you just grind it out? How much did you profit off of the free 250
Quote: GWAEDid you just grind it out? How much did you profit off of the free 250
I screwed up and just got $250. Did a live-bet sale while a dog was ahead hoping they would fall behind and collect both ends. But should I complain about a free $250?
Quote: sabreThat's not remotely close to ideal AP. It is the best way to kill the promotion.
It would have been ideal if the dog had fell behind to stay. I don't see how it will kill their promotion. They offer live betting and I took live betting.
Per GambleOn, 3 PA casinos petitioned to lower slot machine counts. One PA rep fought it as PA places mafia-level tax rates on slots, and he cared more about that than the jobs the sports books provide. Mostly it is sports books taking floor space from slots, and of course the least played slots would be removed. Request granted.
Meanwhile, Rivers in Pittsburgh is being remodeled so some slots had to be yanked. Slot revenue went up! At least the owners are seeing beyond having a sea of slots instead of a sports book.
The permanent sports book opened this week. For those of you who know the casino, it is where the "Levels" bar used to be. This was a dead corner of the casino, now it has life.
Plenty of seats and it edges up to a bar for gametime enjoyment. I assume there will be waitresses walking the place when it is busier. When you see all the huge screens you might think back just 20 years when such a thing would not be possible. I can see it being SRO for big games or matches.
OTOH, the betting window is not right there and not labeled well. I am sure they want you using the kiosks, but come on, guys.
