Charles Oakley busted at the Cosmopolitan for cheating
"Officials from the Nevada Gaming Board tell us Oakley "was suspected of adding to or reducing his wager on a gambling game after the outcome was known."
Unclear what game he was playing at the time -- but one source with knowledge of the incident says Oak tried to pull back a $100 chip after he realized he was going to lose.
Oak was confronted about the incident -- and it was kicked over to a security team which reviewed the casino video footage ... confirming the alleged cheating.
The 54-year-old was taken into custody at 5:30 PM and booked into Clark County Detention Center. "
Does this guy have a history of this or any other fishy activity while gambling?
Quote: TigerWuI get that this technically is cheating if done intentionally, but it seems like it's the kind of cheating that would be really hard to prove in court when you can just say, "Sorry, I wasn't really paying attention... I didn't think the ball had been spun yet...."
I dont know Nevada law, does intent matter?
Yes. Though things like past posting or bet capping are fairly easy to prosecute if the casino really wants to. I'm sure his lawyer will subpoena the entire tape of his play and look for other incidents wherein he made any similar but timely moves and claim that this was just one of his habits but done in an unintentionally untimely manner.Quote: VCUSkyhawkI dont know Nevada law, does intent matter?
I'm surprised this took place at the Cosmo but their policies have always been whimsical anyway.
I once told a crew at a ten dollar table that I did not teach my companion past-posting or capping she just seemed to take to it naturally. I did however tip the dealers every time she did it so they didn't seem to mind too much. Her dealer would pay a field bet she had just put out there after the roll and I'd tip the dealers an amount equal to or slightly greater than the over payment. Worked out well but they remembered her the next morning.
Quote: TigerWuI get that this technically is cheating if done intentionally, but it seems like it's the kind of cheating that would be really hard to prove in court when you can just say, "Sorry, I wasn't really paying attention... I didn't think the ball had been spun yet...." But I guess if they actually arrested him they feel like they have a pretty strong case.
Does this guy have a history of this or any other fishy activity while gambling?
The way the TMZ article reads to me is that the alleged move only occurred on one occasion.
I understand that the Table Games crew is probably not particularly inclined to play the role of Sherlock Holmes, but at the same time, if you get him pastposting (or pinching) two or three times in a session, I think you have him pretty well dead to rights. Maybe that happened, but that's not how the news article makes it sound.
I don't know if they handle it the same way as PA, but the PA involuntary exclusions list certainly includes people for whom only one incident of past-posting is mentioned...though most are multiple incidents if that's what they are excluded for. As the casino management, I'd have to be really sure to want to have charges slapped on the guy, but you never know.
Anyway, I guess we'll see how it goes. I do think it's hard to prove intent on something that happened on a one-time basis, that is, unless there's a REALLY good camera angle.
that pill is hard to swallow
So who is this man?Quote: lilredroosterOakley had to be pulling down at least a million per year during many of his best years and he's going to cheat Vegas so he doesn't lose $100?
that pill is hard to swallow
Quote: lilredroosterOakley had to be pulling down at least a million per year during many of his best years and he's going to cheat Vegas so he doesn't lose $100?
that pill is hard to swallow
It wouldn't be the first time a former professional athlete has pulled something shady involving gambling:
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/News-and-notes-four/
It's right at the top, so you don't need to scroll.
Quote: lilredroosterOakley had to be pulling down at least a million per year during many of his best years and he's going to cheat Vegas so he doesn't lose $100?
that pill is hard to swallow
Career has been over for 14 years
Most are broke regardless of how much they made in the NBA
Quote: terapinedCareer has been over for 14 years
Most are broke regardless of how much they made in the NBA
Many don’t realize they have to change their lifestyles when the money stops coming in.
I'd be very surprised if he isn't thriving in retirement.
Quote: billryanWhile a Knick, Oak had his hands in several businesses and has served as a mentor for new players as far as investment s and portfolio building.
I'd be very surprised if he isn't thriving in retirement.
Granted, we're dealing in speculation here...but, if he's doing very well and is comfortable in retirement, why be betting $100 whether pastposting, or not?
I know I can't speak for everyone, but if you give me five million right now, the rest of my life will be spent comfortably drinking, drinking, playing golf and drinking.
Quote: Mission146Granted, we're dealing in speculation here...but, if he's doing very well and is comfortable in retirement, why be betting $100 whether pastposting, or not?
I know I can't speak for everyone, but if you give me five million right now, the rest of my life will be spent comfortably drinking, drinking, playing golf and drinking.
When my cousin was a young NYC Transit cop he was watching a subway turnstile and a well dressed guy looked him in the eye and jumped the gate, illegally entering the subway. My cousin stopped him and the guy got jumpy with him so he cuffed him and called for backup. Guy had a couple of kilos of coke and a sub machine gun in his bag, and hundreds of dollars in cash on him.
People can be jerks.
?Quote: billryanWhen my cousin was a young NYC Transit cop he was watching a subway turnstile and a well dressed guy looked him in the eye and jumped the gate, illegally entering the subway. My cousin stopped him and the guy got jumpy with him so he cuffed him and called for backup. Guy had a couple of kilos of coke and a sub machine gun in his bag, and hundreds of dollars in cash on him.
People can be jerks.
Quote: billryanWhile a Knick, Oak had his hands in several businesses and has served as a mentor for new players as far as investment s and portfolio building.
I'd be very surprised if he isn't thriving in retirement.
Even if he had some sound Investments back in the day they can be wiped out very quickly with bad Investments and bad gambling.... and bad gambling... And of course more bad gambling.
I was at the Borgata years ago and met Oakley and I can tell you he was an absolute jerk, c%÷×sucker, and arrogant a hole. You all know I am a big believer in karma and energy and it doesn't surprise me to see what has happened to him. I don't wish ill upon anyone but I don't feel bad for the idiot.
Quote: RomesI've been informed by Bruce that we've played with Charles Oakley a few times (a couple years back - I didn't recall). So, cool.
You were informed by someone else that you played with Oakley and now you recall he was cool?
Yeah one of my teammates said we played with him a few times, but since it was a couple years ago I didn't exactly remember him (he doesn't stick out as some important person to me). I do not recall him being cool, I was just joking about my semi-worthless contribution to the thread.Quote: WatchMeWinYou were informed by someone else that you played with Oakley and now you recall he was cool?
Quote: RomesYeah one of my teammates said we played with him a few times, but since it was a couple years ago I didn't exactly remember him (he doesn't stick out as some important person to me). I do not recall him being cool, I was just joking about my semi-worthless contribution to the thread.
Now the team aspect to this post is interesting to me. Do you have teams of people that you play with at the same table when you do your thing? I'm not up on how the whole card counting thing work since Blackjack is not my game but I am intrigued? Is this a consistently profitable venture? I may have to double it look into it.
