terapined
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July 12th, 2018 at 7:35:42 AM permalink
http://www.tmz.com/2018/07/12/charles-oakley-arrested-las-vegas-cheating-casino/

"Officials from the Nevada Gaming Board tell us Oakley "was suspected of adding to or reducing his wager on a gambling game after the outcome was known."
Unclear what game he was playing at the time -- but one source with knowledge of the incident says Oak tried to pull back a $100 chip after he realized he was going to lose.
Oak was confronted about the incident -- and it was kicked over to a security team which reviewed the casino video footage ... confirming the alleged cheating.
The 54-year-old was taken into custody at 5:30 PM and booked into Clark County Detention Center. "
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TigerWu
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July 12th, 2018 at 7:52:23 AM permalink
I get that this technically is cheating if done intentionally, but it seems like it's the kind of cheating that would be really hard to prove in court when you can just say, "Sorry, I wasn't really paying attention... I didn't think the ball had been spun yet...." But I guess if they actually arrested him they feel like they have a pretty strong case.

Does this guy have a history of this or any other fishy activity while gambling?
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July 12th, 2018 at 8:41:21 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I get that this technically is cheating if done intentionally, but it seems like it's the kind of cheating that would be really hard to prove in court when you can just say, "Sorry, I wasn't really paying attention... I didn't think the ball had been spun yet...."



I dont know Nevada law, does intent matter?
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July 12th, 2018 at 8:57:04 AM permalink
Quote: VCUSkyhawk

I dont know Nevada law, does intent matter?

Yes. Though things like past posting or bet capping are fairly easy to prosecute if the casino really wants to. I'm sure his lawyer will subpoena the entire tape of his play and look for other incidents wherein he made any similar but timely moves and claim that this was just one of his habits but done in an unintentionally untimely manner.

I'm surprised this took place at the Cosmo but their policies have always been whimsical anyway.

I once told a crew at a ten dollar table that I did not teach my companion past-posting or capping she just seemed to take to it naturally. I did however tip the dealers every time she did it so they didn't seem to mind too much. Her dealer would pay a field bet she had just put out there after the roll and I'd tip the dealers an amount equal to or slightly greater than the over payment. Worked out well but they remembered her the next morning.
Mission146
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July 12th, 2018 at 9:06:28 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I get that this technically is cheating if done intentionally, but it seems like it's the kind of cheating that would be really hard to prove in court when you can just say, "Sorry, I wasn't really paying attention... I didn't think the ball had been spun yet...." But I guess if they actually arrested him they feel like they have a pretty strong case.

Does this guy have a history of this or any other fishy activity while gambling?



The way the TMZ article reads to me is that the alleged move only occurred on one occasion.

I understand that the Table Games crew is probably not particularly inclined to play the role of Sherlock Holmes, but at the same time, if you get him pastposting (or pinching) two or three times in a session, I think you have him pretty well dead to rights. Maybe that happened, but that's not how the news article makes it sound.

I don't know if they handle it the same way as PA, but the PA involuntary exclusions list certainly includes people for whom only one incident of past-posting is mentioned...though most are multiple incidents if that's what they are excluded for. As the casino management, I'd have to be really sure to want to have charges slapped on the guy, but you never know.

Anyway, I guess we'll see how it goes. I do think it's hard to prove intent on something that happened on a one-time basis, that is, unless there's a REALLY good camera angle.
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July 12th, 2018 at 9:20:36 AM permalink
Oakley had to be pulling down at least a million per year during many of his best years and he's going to cheat Vegas so he doesn't lose $100?

that pill is hard to swallow
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July 12th, 2018 at 9:25:43 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Oakley had to be pulling down at least a million per year during many of his best years and he's going to cheat Vegas so he doesn't lose $100?

that pill is hard to swallow

So who is this man?
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July 12th, 2018 at 9:33:13 AM permalink
Jeeves could explain who he is. He was known to be a mean SOB.
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July 12th, 2018 at 9:34:58 AM permalink
My guess is that he did it more than once, or he got disruptive with them when they confronted him with it. Most casinos can understand that accidents happen and wouldn't call gaming on a customer that did it once for only $100.
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July 12th, 2018 at 9:37:20 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Oakley had to be pulling down at least a million per year during many of his best years and he's going to cheat Vegas so he doesn't lose $100?

that pill is hard to swallow



It wouldn't be the first time a former professional athlete has pulled something shady involving gambling:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/News-and-notes-four/

It's right at the top, so you don't need to scroll.
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