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Wonder what the record is for a game with most TD's with zero FG's?
Quote: JohnzimboWake Forest beat Army 70-56 yesterday. That is 18 touchdowns and zero field goals. There was only one punt by both teams combined.
Wonder what the record is for a game with most TD's with zero FG's?
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Cumberland 0 @ Georgia Tech 222---32 Touchdowns combined.
Quote: Mission146Quote: JohnzimboWake Forest beat Army 70-56 yesterday. That is 18 touchdowns and zero field goals. There was only one punt by both teams combined.
Wonder what the record is for a game with most TD's with zero FG's?
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Cumberland 0 @ Georgia Tech 222---32 Touchdowns combined.
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OK modern era?
amazing one handed leaping catch by Daniel Jones the Giants QB
I've never before seen a QB pro or college make a catch like this
Jones was hit hard on the play - in the head
a hard hit in the head got him a concussion two weeks age
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this is my fave NBA yt clip - best blocks - some high flyin crazy stuff
the 2nd vid is the Bullets Manute Bol blocking 4 shots in a row - he was quick for somebody that tall
they don't keep stats on stuff like this but I don't think it's ever been done before or after
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From the pictures of the accident causing it and neighborhood it occurred (Rainbow between Flamingo/Trop), I’d have to guess he was traveling at maybe 75-80mph in a 45 zone. A life lost and a promising career likely thrown away, sad stuff. The NFL has a free hotline players can call for a ride specifically to avoid this situation.
Quote: mcallister3200Sad, terrible Las Vegas Raiders related news today. Recent first round draft pick and WR Henry Ruggs III was arrested for DUI causing serious bodily harm/death for a fatal accident early this morning where he ran into the back of another vehicle, the vehicle ahead of him caught on fire and the occupant was found deceased when firefighters arrived on scene.
From the pictures of the accident causing it and neighborhood it occurred (Rainbow between Flamingo/Trop), I’d have to guess he was traveling at maybe 75-80mph in a 45 zone. A life lost and a promising career likely thrown away, sad stuff. The NFL has a free hotline players can call for a ride specifically to avoid this situation.
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Prior to this his estimated career earnings would have easily eclipsed $100 million. Brilliant move to be drunk driving at 3am. Reporter said prison sentence will be between 2 and 20 years. So stupid.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: mcallister3200Sad, terrible Las Vegas Raiders related news today. Recent first round draft pick and WR Henry Ruggs III was arrested for DUI causing serious bodily harm/death for a fatal accident early this morning where he ran into the back of another vehicle, the vehicle ahead of him caught on fire and the occupant was found deceased when firefighters arrived on scene.
From the pictures of the accident causing it and neighborhood it occurred (Rainbow between Flamingo/Trop), I’d have to guess he was traveling at maybe 75-80mph in a 45 zone. A life lost and a promising career likely thrown away, sad stuff. The NFL has a free hotline players can call for a ride specifically to avoid this situation.
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Prior to this his estimated career earnings would have easily eclipsed $100 million. Brilliant move to be drunk driving at 3am. Reporter said prison sentence will be between 2 and 20 years. So stupid.
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I believe in Nevada the minimum is 2 years if convicted. He has hired the top attorney firm in Vegas so if anyone can get him out of this it will be them (I doubt they can).
was he the greatest running back ever?
many would say yes
love these end zone dives - don't really think you see anything like this even today
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. Starting in the 70’s….. 1. Barry SandersQuote: lilredrooster__________
was he the greatest running back ever?
many would say yes
love these end zone dives - don't really think you see anything like this even today
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2. OJ Simpson
3. Derrick Henry
Most overrated. Emmitt Smith.
. Starting in the 70’s….. 1. Barry SandersQuote: SOOPOO
2. OJ Simpson
3. Derrick Henry
Most overrated. Emmitt Smith.
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I would have to include Earl Campbell
Derrick Henry sounds a bit predictive to me. Obviously, there's going to be a lot of variance when it comes to longevity, whether that mean injury or retiring by choice...but if Derrick Henry sustained a career-ending injury right now, then he would be talked about as, "Derrick Henry---who could have been one of the best running backs of all-time."
L.T. is in my Top Three somewhere, for sure. His career was long enough and, when you break it down into season averages for rushing yards and touchdowns, it's just ridiculous. His 2006 season was just stupid...I think he was trying to copy his performance on Madden, or something, with the AI set on easy.
I'm also going #1 Barry Sanders---dude played for a decade and averaged 5.0 yards per rushing attempt, which is just absurd. Barry Sanders also ranks #2 in rushing yards per game, #4 in total rushing yards and #10 in rushing touchdowns.
Yup, so:
1.) Barry Sanders
2.) Emmitt Smith
3.) LaDainian Tomlinson
Soopoo, I can't argue with your list (although, I have only seen OJ run on highlight reels, other than his running through airports or from the law) but why no love for Emmitt? I know he had a really good O-line in Dallas, and as a UF guy, I might not be impartial. But I think what made him special was that he always seemed to avoid the big hits and almost always "fell forward" when tackled, gaining an extra 1-2 yards per carry.
Quote: DRichHenry Ruggs was driving 156 mph before hitting the Rav4 and killing the woman. I hope he does the maximum of 20 years in prison.
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As well as over 2x over legal limit for alcohol. As spectacularly ridiculous as decision making can get. Her dog was also in the vehicle with her at the time.
Mission adding up Smith’s totals is less relevant to me when it comes to measuring greatness. I hope he doesn’t consider Frank Gore an all time great because he was above average for so long….
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Mission adding up Smith’s totals is less relevant to me when it comes to measuring greatness. I hope he doesn’t consider Frank Gore an all time great because he was above average for so long….
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No, but longevity is part of the equation. Drew Bledsoe, for example, is a well above average quarterback by virtue of being a slightly above average quarterback for such a long time.
You look at per game stats and Emmitt Smith still stands up to anyone. His rushing yards per game is currently 17th all-time, so I don't have to add up anything there. You can take away Smith's last four seasons completely and he would still be 5th in all-time rushing yards, just behind Barry Sanders. He'd also move up to 6th in rushing yards per game if you throw those seasons away. Not that you asked, but if you completely drop Smith's last four seasons in the league, then he would be tied with L.T. (145) for most rushing touchdowns of all-time.
I mean, this is also retrospective...what is Smith supposed to do---ask to play with a bad offensive line for his entire career? It's a team sport; that's just called the guys around you making you better---the hallmark of a good team, which the 90's Cowboys certainly were.
But, that's why I put Sanders ahead of Smith and anyone else you can think of---Sanders was a total running back.
Barry Sanders had something very close to, if not equal to, Le'Veon Bell's patience and ball carrier vision, which for Bell circa Steelers, is the best I have seen in those categories for any player since 2000, or so.
Beyond that, despite his limited size, Sanders would occasionally truck a guy or two...how the hell did that ever happen? His acceleration once he found the lane was off the charts...he'd use his upper body to dodge defenders going for waist tackles while keeping his legs moving and can contort himself in ways that shouldn't be physically possible.
The best part about Barry Sanders is his tenacity and relentlessness if the defenders finally caught him...if Sanders needed six yards for the first and already had eight yards, he'd kill a man, or himself, fighting for an extra half of a yard anyway...contorting, stretching, pushing...probably some LB's out there saying, "J---- C----- dude, you already have the first down, take it easy!"
Anyway, yeah, let's focus on where we agree...Barry Sanders was f*$I&^%&%(*O ridiculous. What are your thoughts on L.T. and where would you put him?
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Mission adding up Smith’s totals is less relevant to me when it comes to measuring greatness. I hope he doesn’t consider Frank Gore an all time great because he was above average for so long….
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No, but longevity is part of the equation. Drew Bledsoe, for example, is a well above average quarterback by virtue of being a slightly above average quarterback for such a long time.
You look at per game stats and Emmitt Smith still stands up to anyone. His rushing yards per game is currently 17th all-time, so I don't have to add up anything there. You can take away Smith's last four seasons completely and he would still be 5th in all-time rushing yards, just behind Barry Sanders. He'd also move up to 6th in rushing yards per game if you throw those seasons away. Not that you asked, but if you completely drop Smith's last four seasons in the league, then he would be tied with L.T. (145) for most rushing touchdowns of all-time.
I mean, this is also retrospective...what is Smith supposed to do---ask to play with a bad offensive line for his entire career? It's a team sport; that's just called the guys around you making you better---the hallmark of a good team, which the 90's Cowboys certainly were.
But, that's why I put Sanders ahead of Smith and anyone else you can think of---Sanders was a total running back.
Barry Sanders had something very close to, if not equal to, Le'Veon Bell's patience and ball carrier vision, which for Bell circa Steelers, is the best I have seen in those categories for any player since 2000, or so.
Beyond that, despite his limited size, Sanders would occasionally truck a guy or two...how the hell did that ever happen? His acceleration once he found the lane was off the charts...he'd use his upper body to dodge defenders going for waist tackles while keeping his legs moving and can contort himself in ways that shouldn't be physically possible.
The best part about Barry Sanders is his tenacity and relentlessness if the defenders finally caught him...if Sanders needed six yards for the first and already had eight yards, he'd kill a man, or himself, fighting for an extra half of a yard anyway...contorting, stretching, pushing...probably some LB's out there saying, "J---- C----- dude, you already have the first down, take it easy!"
Anyway, yeah, let's focus on where we agree...Barry Sanders was f*$I&^%&%(*O ridiculous. What are your thoughts on L.T. and where would you put him?
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So Smith is 17th in yards per game all time? I’ll agree on him being around 17th best RB all time.
Ladanian was great too. I would take him ahead of Smith every time.
Also, before accusing me of bias, I was not a Bills fan during OJ’s career.
My list IS biased to what I saw. I never thought Smith was great. Not like OJ, BS, DH, or now I’ll add LT.
nobody included Walter Payton on their list - come on - get serious - 2nd behind Emmitt Smith in total yards
he got all those yards in many years when the Bears had nothing else offensively - they could all key on him
he played for 13 years in the NFL - still averaged 88 yards per game - obviously not as great in the later years
maybe before your time but still - nobody mentioned Jim Brown
are you kidding?
he's the all time leader in yards per game with 104.3
he also averaged 5.2 yards per carry - more than every other player that you guys listed
he's 11th in total yards and they didn't even play as many games when he was playing
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nobody included Walter Payton on their list - come on - get serious - 2nd behind Emmitt Smith in total yards
he got all those yards in many years when the Bears had nothing else offensively - they could all key on him
he played for 13 years in the NFL - still averaged 88 yards per game - obviously not as great in the later years
maybe before your time but still - nobody mentioned Jim Brown
are you kidding?
he's the all time leader in yards per game with 104.3
he also averaged 5.2 yards per carry - more than every other player that you guys listed
he's 11th in total yards and they didn't even play as many games when he was playing
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I didn't include Payton in my Top Three, but he would definitely make my Top Five. He had the second most rushing yards and the second most rushing attempts...and he just pounded, pounded, pounded to the tune of an incredible (given how many touches he got per season) 4.4 yards per carry...his physical resiliency was just off the freakin' charts, but he was just a pure power rusher. There's nothing wrong with that and his conditioning clearly made him something that is more than a man, but he can't even be argued as being one of the most complete players out there...nor can Smith...but first all-time in those statistical categories is first and second is second.
You make a really good point with Jim Brown. He was retired quite a few decades before I was even born, so I probably haven't studied up on him as much as I should and might be giving the 3rd Place nod to L.T. just out of recency bias...or, you know, having watched live games featuring L.T. at all.
Quote: mcallister3200I struggle to see placing Derrick Henry above Adrian Peterson.
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Yet. We shall see.
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So Smith is 17th in yards per game all time? I’ll agree on him being around 17th best RB all time.
Ladanian was great too. I would take him ahead of Smith every time.
Also, before accusing me of bias, I was not a Bills fan during OJ’s career.
My list IS biased to what I saw. I never thought Smith was great. Not like OJ, BS, DH, or now I’ll add LT.
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If I've sold you on Tomlinson, then I'm happy with the job I've done here. That is an unquestionably great, but arguably underrated, running back right there.
Quote: Mission146Quote: mcallister3200I struggle to see placing Derrick Henry above Adrian Peterson.
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Yet. We shall see.
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Admittedly I may have some unconscious bias towards Peterson and Barry Sanders among the backs generally placed in top 10, lived in MN.
Quote: mcallister3200I struggle to see placing Derrick Henry above Adrian Peterson.
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That’s easy for me. I liked AP a lot. Top 10. Yes. Peterson in his prime was slower than DH. And not as strong. If they were both rookies now at the same age it is a no brainer who I’d take. As far as Jim Brown, I did put a qualifier in of 70’s and on. As far as Payton, he makes my top 10 but not top 3.
Most from the Jim Brown era put him as best of all time.
1. B. Sanders
2. J. Brown
3. A large group here I haven't sorted out. Earl Campbell was seemingly unstoppable, but never flashy. Ladanian at his peak was extremely good, but he lingered too long. Thurman Thomas was actually an extremely effective back. Dwight Henry is compiling quite a record -and quite a highlight reel. Dickerson? I don't remember him that well, maybe that's a clue. O.J. Simpson - he was fast, quick and strong. Herschel Walker never quite lived up to what we all imagined he might be. Walter Payton was undeniably great, but I never remember him as a game changer.
Bo Jackson was amazing until his hip condition ended his career. So many running backs excel for a 2-3 year period, then drop off. Its hard to know how to compare Bo Jackson to Fred Taylor or Frank Gore.
Scottie Pippen has taken some shots at Michael Jordan in his new book
to summarize: he portrays Jordan as selfish and a bully
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: mcallister3200I struggle to see placing Derrick Henry above Adrian Peterson.
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That’s easy for me. I liked AP a lot. Top 10. Yes. Peterson in his prime was slower than DH. And not as strong.
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In what way was AP slower than Henry in his prime? “Eye test?”
AP’s 40 time was 4.4 Henry’s 4.54, I can’t find a ton of data for in play game speed but I’m seeing highest speed touchdown of 2015 at 21.89 mph for AP (post knee injury) and a maximum documented speed of 21.8mph for Henry this season.
AP was pretty one dimensional I will say, the pass blocking was just.....not acceptable.
But Gordon ended up close to best running back of ball time with the Bo mention....Bo Jackson Tecmo Bowl version is the most dominant athlete all time anywhere.
Aaron Rodgers has tested positive for Covid and apparently gave misleading info when he claimed earlier that he was "immunized"
the 3rd string QB has also tested positive leaving the Pack with only 2nd string QB Jordan Love
Davante Adams and Allen Lazard and defensive coordinator Joe Barry missed last Thursday's game and I'm not sure if they'll play on Sunday
Adams and Barry have tested positive
the line opened with the Pack as 2.5 point dogs it is now at 7, 7.5 or 8
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Quote: gordonm888I like
1. B. Sanders
2. J. Brown
3. A large group here I haven't sorted out. Earl Campbell was seemingly unstoppable, but never flashy. Ladanian at his peak was extremely good, but he lingered too long. Thurman Thomas was actually an extremely effective back. Dwight Henry is compiling quite a record -and quite a highlight reel. Dickerson? I don't remember him that well, maybe that's a clue. O.J. Simpson - he was fast, quick and strong. Herschel Walker never quite lived up to what we all imagined he might be. Walter Payton was undeniably great, but I never remember him as a game changer.
Bo Jackson was amazing until his hip condition ended his career. So many running backs excel for a 2-3 year period, then drop off. Its hard to know how to compare Bo Jackson to Fred Taylor or Frank Gore.
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"Game changer," is a really tough thing to qualify. What I mean is that you might not remember someone as a, "Big play guy," but if I have a dude who can almost always truck and pound for three or four yards to get the team the first on 3rd & 1 and 3rd & 2 type situations---that guy absolutely changes the game.
Imagine you convert a 3rd & 2 with a three yard rush---and I'm talking about a straight plow through power rush here, not finding the hole--- that is just money almost every time coming from that back...then the first down play is a 37 yard aerial strike that's good for six...everyone is going to remember that big passing play, but then they forget that passing TD doesn't happen without that first down that maybe doesn't happen without that big hoss being able to pound it for those three yards so reliably.
Another thing about Payton is that you need to pull up a highlight reel because that dude had plays where he's just steamrolling folks! When he was on, it looked like there were small children out there trying to bring him to the ground.
it's really hard or maybe even impossible to say who was the best because some of them had much better blockers than others
also, some played on teams with a high powered offense involving other players - namely receivers - so teams couldn't key on them as much and they had an easier time
John Riggins (The Diesel) probably wasn't on the level of the others mentioned - but he celebrated his blockers - nicknamed "The Hogs" and they actually became quite famous in DC
some guy in the stands had a horn that sounded like a big diesel truck and blew it whenever he scored - it was really wild - the great years for DC are so very far in the past
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Over 5!!! yards a carry EACH of the first 9 seasons of his career? Has anyone else ever done that? An insane 6.4 yards per carry in a 200+ carry season was his tops in a healthy season.
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"Game changer," is a really tough thing to qualify. What I mean is that you might not remember someone as a, "Big play guy," but if I have a dude who can almost always truck and pound for three or four yards to get the team the first on 3rd & 1 and 3rd & 2 type situations---that guy absolutely changes the game.
Imagine you convert a 3rd & 2 with a three yard rush---and I'm talking about a straight plow through power rush here, not finding the hole--- that is just money almost every time coming from that back...then the first down play is a 37 yard aerial strike that's good for six...everyone is going to remember that big passing play, but then they forget that passing TD doesn't happen without that first down that maybe doesn't happen without that big hoss being able to pound it for those three yards so reliably.
Another thing about Payton is that you need to pull up a highlight reel because that dude had plays where he's just steamrolling folks! When he was on, it looked like there were small children out there trying to bring him to the ground.
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"a dude who can almost always truck and pound for three or four yards" -well then we need to consider Larry Csonka.
But overall, I am leaning towards agreeing with you on Walter Payton. So, I would make Payton #3 on my list after Sanders and Brown. The man just did too much to ignore.
Wake Forest at #8 in the country and 8-0 is a 2.5 pt dog at North Carolina 4-4.
At the time I read an article, something like 80% of the bets were on Wake Forest as the public typically is all over this favorites in games like this, while 75% of the money is on UNC. The line hasn't budged hardly at all.
I feel like Vegas and the sharps know something, so I am following suit and taking the UNC moneyline today!
#FadeThePublic
An iceball thrown from a fan hit him in the eye during warmups prior to his last game at Buffalo limited his play that last game so he ended up second in rushing, and OJ scored a late touchdown to edge him out for most touchdowns. It was a season no other running back had come close to, stat wise.
I saw OJ run for about 200 on the Jets fairly early in his career and then saw him again a few years later when he's lost his speed.
If it was 1st and ten, I want to hand the ball to Billy Sims, but if it is third and three, I'm giving it to Earl Campbell or Franco Harris.
I'm not including modern guys like Henry because they still have a long way to go.
nobody mentioned Gale Sayers - I don't know how to rank him but he was truly great
his 2nd season - 14 games - he led the league in rushing with 1234 yards and got 5.4 yards per carry
he also led the Bears in receiving that year with 447 yards
that same year he returned kicks and got 32 yards per return
he set an NFL record that year with 2,440 all purpose yards - Darren Sproles has the all time record with 2,696 but he played 2 more games
in his rookie year he set an NFL record with 22 touchdowns
he also tied the NFL single season record in 1965 with 6 touchdowns in one game - a record that has never been surpassed - only tied
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surely worthy of mention
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Aaron Rodgers got spoofed on SNL for his I'm immunized - not vaccinated thing______this has got to sting
quote from the spoof - "people can talk all they want but at the end of the day my record is still 7-1 - meaning of the 8 people I infected - 7 are fine."
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nobody mentioned Gale Sayers - I don't know how to rank him but he was truly great
his 2nd season - 14 games - he led the league in rushing with 1234 yards and got 5.4 yards per carry
he also led the Bears in receiving that year with 447 yards
that same year he returned kicks and got 32 yards per return
he set an NFL record that year with 2,440 all purpose yards - Darren Sproles has the all time record with 2,696 but he played 2 more games
in his rookie year he set an NFL record with 22 touchdowns
he also tied the NFL single season record in 1965 with 6 touchdowns in one game - a record that has never been surpassed - only tied
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surely worthy of mention
Sayers was great. Perhaps the most talented running back, but his knees betrayed him. I read a long time ago that the surgery he needed was now routine but in the dark ages of the 1960s, the procedure wasn't invented yet. I think he played long enough to be an all time great but nowhere near long enough to be considered the best.
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anybody have a solid line on the Lions not winning a game this year?
in the first 8 games they've been beaten by 110 points averaging getting beat by almost 14 per game
in their last game they got beat by 38 by the Eagles who are a 3-6 team_________(-:\
I put them at +240 to lose every game this year
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anybody have a solid line on the Lions not winning a game this year?
in the first 8 games they've been beaten by 110 points averaging getting beat by almost 14 per game
in their last game they got beat by 38 by the Eagles who are a 3-6 team_________(-:\
there are 17 regular season games this - not 16 - so that increases their chances of getting a win
I put them at +240 to lose every game this year
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a Bears player got flagged for taunting
the Bears claim it wasn't taunting
but there's more - the Bears then claim the ref "HIP CHECKED" the player on his way back to the bench - I've never seen anything like this
causing lots of noise - take a look____
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That being said, this player did not taunt and that is a weak call.
Those officials last night weren't very good.
29 players/coaches considered close contacts. As the efficacy of the vaxx wanes, and I’m not sure whether or not most of these guys would qualify for a booster, there is likely going to be mass amounts of players missing games over the second half of the season. I think we’re all a little fatigued of this being a primary factor in games when many of us go to sports for an escape.
college games don't much go into overtime? Or is this a just function of big point spread and big O/U for NFL games too? The point spread is 20.5 and the O/U 62.5 for that game
Quote: odiousgambitJust noticed that for the Purdue/Ohio State game I can get a "no overtime" bet for +2200. Seems like a lot.
college games don't much go into overtime? Or is this a just function of big point spread and big O/U for NFL games too? The point spread is 20.5 and the O/U 62.5 for that game
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I would think the NO OVERTIME bet would be -2200 not +2200. I would bet most of my net worth on +2200 for no overtime. I would not be shocked if it is a close game.
