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Quote: RigondeauxIf the cavs somehow win the finals, would anybody still dispute LBJ as the GOAT?
Getting this team into the Finals may well be his greatest accomplishment but he is still very far from being the Greatest Ever.
Great game. Everything clicked. Refs were mostly unseen and unheard from. Even the announcers were pretty good.
Quote: billryanbut he is still very far from being the Greatest Ever.
whoever wants to compare Lebron to MJ might want to consider that for their careers Lebron has averaged about 16% more rebounds per game and about 27% more assists per game than MJ. Lebron's eFG% is significantly higher than MJ's too - .540 compared to .509.
In basketball, effective field goal percentage is a statistic that adjusts field goal percentage to account for the fact that three-point field goals count for three points while field goals only count for two points. It is abbreviated eFG%.
Are you picking LeBron over Jordan to win for you? I'm not. LBJ has come up empty too many times.
Nothing wrong with being one of the best.
Quote: billryanTwo minutes to go in a Game Seven. You are down by one, at home.
Are you picking LeBron over Jordan to win for you? I'm not. LBJ has come up empty too many times.
Nothing wrong with being one of the best.
You do realize MJ's record in game 7's is......... 6-7 I believe! CONFIRMATION BIAS! He was BELOW AVERAGE in helping his team win game 7's. But keep repeating the blather that he is better than LJ because of his game 7 majesty. LJ has come up 'full' far more than MJ.
That's true about MJ, "Nothing wrong with being one of the best".
Edit..... And if I got my numbers wrong there is a nearby crow I will eat!
Quote: billryanGetting this team into the Finals may well be his greatest accomplishment but he is still very far from being the Greatest Ever.
Great game. Everything clicked. Refs were mostly unseen and unheard from. Even the announcers were pretty good.
Agree with most of it except the greatest accomplishment part. The comeback was good but it still was a weak Eastern Conference this year, compared to the West. Boston had a great run but didn’t have a player on the court this series that is a Top 10 NBA player. You just don’t win in the NBA without superstars.
But he did carry this team, no doubt. As for the greatest ever, he has a few more years and a lot of great basketball left in him before the determination is made for me.
Quote: BozAgree with most of it except the greatest accomplishment part. The comeback was good but it still was a weak Eastern Conference this year, compared to the West. Boston had a great run but didn’t have a player on the court this series that is a Top 10 NBA player. You just don’t win in the NBA without superstars.
But he did carry this team, no doubt. As for the greatest ever, he has a few more years and a lot of great basketball left in him before the determination is made for me.
Well said. Jury still out. MJ still GOAT for me.
As to good game, both teams were exhausted. Hype as high as it could be. Starters out for both teams, so not their most advantageous rotations. Came down to guts. Cavs dug deeper. Outstanding effort from both.
If they lose this finals, he'll be 3-6 as opposed to 6-0 for the tongue swagger.
Quote: SOOPOOYou do realize MJ's record in game 7's is......... 6-7 I believe! CONFIRMATION BIAS! He was BELOW AVERAGE in helping his team win game 7's. But keep repeating the blather that he is better than LJ because of his game 7 majesty. LJ has come up 'full' far more than MJ.
That's true about MJ, "Nothing wrong with being one of the best".
Edit..... And if I got my numbers wrong there is a nearby crow I will eat!
I don't view that game 7 record as MJ's record. Its a bull's record
I watched both in their prime
The players around MJ were a lot better then todays Cavaliers. A whole lot better.
The Bulls without MJ 93-94 and 94-95 was still a playoff team.
If todays Cavaliers were without Labron, probably losing record. No way this is a playoff team without Labron
MJ played on great teams
Labron played on great teams, this is not one of them
Labron does not have the help on this team that MJ had on all his championship teams.
Quote: SOOPOOYou do realize MJ's record in game 7's is......... 6-7 I believe! CONFIRMATION BIAS! He was BELOW AVERAGE in helping his team win game 7's. But keep repeating the blather that he is better than LJ because of his game 7 majesty. LJ has come up 'full' far more than MJ.
That's true about MJ, "Nothing wrong with being one of the best".
Edit..... And if I got my numbers wrong there is a nearby crow I will eat!
I'm not seeing anything that supports your numbers. Certainly not seeing seven game seven loses. In fact, I can only find a single game 7 loss.
Quote: billryanTwo minutes to go in a Game Seven. You are down by one, at home.
Are you picking LeBron over Jordan to win for you?
It depends on how much MJ still owes in gambling debt to his Mob Bookies.
As far as the GOAT in NBA, Jordan likes to tout his 6 rings as reason for being the goat. By that rationale , I will take Bill Russel any day of the week. LBJ and MJ are two different types of players. Both are and were the greatest at their position. MJ gets all of the attention and glory for a multitude of reasons aside from the stats and rings... He had finesse and people loved to watch him soar through the air. He had charm and charisma. He was a good looking cat. He was a global pop culture icon through Nike and the movie 'just like mike'. He was a media sensation and still is. If LeBron wants to be considered the GOAT in comparison to MJ, there is only one way he will get the accolade... and that is to win 4 more rings.. period! And he can do it when he comes to Philly!
Quote: billryan
If they lose this finals, he'll be 3-6 as opposed to 6-0 for the tongue swagger.
You can't use team stats to compare individuals. I have no idea which was a better player but look at individual stats to compare.
FG%, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals, turnovers, etc.
Isn't that pretty much the only knock on Wilt? That he only won a couple titles?
Quote: billryanIsn't that pretty much the only knock on Wilt? That he only won a couple titles?
Yes, it is the cliched knock on Wilt and its not a fair one.
For a lot of those years he had a weak supporting cast and his teams had no chance at a title.
In the meantime, his nemesis Bill Russell was cruising with the likes of Cousy, Sharman, Heinsohn, Havlicek and Sam Jones.
Just to throw one stat out there for a couple of years Wilt averaged 27 rebounds per game. In a few other years he was close to 27.
The most Lebron ever averaged in a year was 8. Lebron is not a center, but still. The top rebounder in the NBA this year is averaging 16.
Wilt blocked an s***load of shots too. I'd be willing to bet more than Russell, but they didn't keep stats on blocked shots back then.
His field goal % in 1967 was .683 which is way higher than anybody in the history of the game.
In 1962 he 𝐀𝐕𝐄𝐑𝐀𝐆𝐄𝐃 50.4 points per game.
𝐍𝐎𝐁𝐎𝐃𝐘 ever dominated a basketball game as completely as Wilt Chamberlain. I repeat - 𝐍𝐎𝐁𝐎𝐃𝐘.
Quote: SOOPOOYou do realize MJ's record in game 7's is......... 6-7 I believe! CONFIRMATION BIAS! He was BELOW AVERAGE in helping his team win game 7's. But keep repeating the blather that he is better than LJ because of his game 7 majesty. LJ has come up 'full' far more than MJ.
That's true about MJ, "Nothing wrong with being one of the best".
Edit..... And if I got my numbers wrong there is a nearby crow I will eat!
You were very close with your 6-7 record for Michael Jordan in game 7s.
He was actually 2-2
Quote: michael99000You were very close with your 6-7 record for Michael Jordan in game 7s.
He was actually 2-2
Not to doubt you, but I can't figure out how to 'mine' that info...... How did you find it?
I was able to find that MJ was only able to average 1/2 a 3 pointer per game over his career. Very few 'shooting guards' could get away with that now, or 'small forwards' for that matter. He might be the best ever at hitting a contested mid range jump shot, and using his speed to get to that spot, but I still think LJ does so many things better than MJ ever did....
Quote: SOOPOONot to doubt you, but I can't figure out how to 'mine' that info...... How did you find it?
I was able to find that MJ was only able to average 1/2 a 3 pointer per game over his career. Very few 'shooting guards' could get away with that now, or 'small forwards' for that matter. He might be the best ever at hitting a contested mid range jump shot, and using his speed to get to that spot, but I still think LJ does so many things better than MJ ever did....
Actually he was 2-1 in game 7s.
He lost to the pistons in game 7 in the 1990 ECF, this would be the last playoff series the Jordan Bulls lose before going onto their first championship 3-peat
The other 2 Jordan game 7s were victories over the Knicks and pacers.
While he was retired and playing baseball , the Pippen-led bulls lost a 7 game series to the Knicks. There was an infamous bad call by referee Hugh Hollins with two seconds left in game 5 of that series.
Jordan never made the playoffs with the Wizards
Yay GSW! What a comeback in the 3rd!
Got the finals we wanted to see. Hope it's a fun one. Hope Love is back for game 1.
Quote: SOOPOO
I was able to find that MJ was only able to average 1/2 a 3 pointer per game over his career. Very few 'shooting guards' could get away with that now, or 'small forwards' for that matter.
Regarding your comment, I'm in love with this video about the 3-pointer. The relevant parts in reply to your quote are in the first minute.
Quote: beachbumbabs...
Yay GSW! .
Who ,outside of Oakland, feels that way?
Do you also get excited when the Patriots or Floyd mayweather win ?
Quote: michael99000Who ,outside of Oakland, feels that way?
Do you also get excited when the Patriots or Floyd mayweather win ?
Nope, neither. But we in the land of no decent teams like Steph Curry very much. And, though I'm not really a LBJ fan, I'm quite partial to seeing K Korver with a championship ring. So, either way, I'm happy for them.
Warriors.......... - 12.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
going to be like Microsoft king of tech getting bombarded on all sides by genius internet tech startups
pretty soon Microsoft's not the King Kong of tech anymore
Warriors have too many rooks, bishops and knights
King James only has pawns on his side
still real fun to watch anyway
Quote: beachbumbabs
Got the finals we wanted to see.
Not all of us. I am from Cleveland and I would rather have played the Rockets. I can't imagine the Cavs beating the Warriors but they would have had a good shot against the Rockets.
Quote: beachbumbabs, I'm quite partial to seeing K Korver with a championship ring.
Then you probably should’ve been rooting for Houston
Quote: lilredroosterno Scottie Pippen for LBJ to rely on - an no one remotely as talented or reliable
Wade and Bosh with him for the two titles in Miami
Kyrie was there for the one in Cleveland
Quote: lilredroosterno Scottie Pippen for LBJ to rely on - an no one remotely as talented or reliable
True. But each of 6 or 7 guys has been 2nd leading scorer by a lot over the rest. Just need a couple hot hands while LBJ draws double coverage, and reasonably few turnovers.
One of the biggest advantages GS has is Steve Kerr, though. He's (and his staff) so fluid and detailed about adjusting as the game goes on, and the conditioning he/they insist on, makes GS a standout team.
Quote: DRichNot all of us. I am from Cleveland and I would rather have played the Rockets. I can't imagine the Cavs beating the Warriors but they would have had a good shot against the Rockets.
It's ok you still have the Browns
Quote: lilredroosterno Scottie Pippen for LBJ to rely on - an no one remotely as talented or reliable
Totally agree
All James has is Kevin Love which I don't think is as good as Pippen
while
Curry has much better support from Durant and Klay Thompson who I think are just as good as Pippen
You might not like him personally but he was a truly great rebounder and defensive player
in 1997 he averaged 16 bounds per game and only played on average only 35 minutes per game
he was a HUGE impact player
nobody like that on LBJ's side
The ironic thing is I'm a huge Cleveland Browns fan and always have been.
Quote: beachbumbabsOne of the biggest advantages GS has is Steve Kerr, though. He's (and his staff) so fluid and detailed about adjusting as the game goes on, and the conditioning he/they insist on, makes GS a standout team.
Great observation that I totally agree with! Steve Kerr deserves so much credit for building the team into champions. He is the perfect coach who knows what it takes to be a champion and he is able to mesh 4-5 superstars into playing as a team. His offense with the constant movement, cutting and back screening is a thing of beauty.
Quote: lilredroosterMJ also had Dennis Rodman on his side.
You might not like him personally but he was a truly great rebounder and defensive player
in 1997 he averaged 16 bounds per game and only played on average only 35 minutes per game
he was a HUGE impact player
nobody like that on LBJ's side
Totally agree
One of the few players able to lock down Shaq
cavs actually could have won that game if not for JR Smith's bonehead play running out the clock instead of quickly working to get a shot with chance to go ahead at the end of regulation time.
JR Smith IS NEVER GOING TO LIVE THIS DOWN
didn't think the Cavs could be competitive with them. very surprised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imMSjrwsRaM
Oh—maybe he IS the third person!
It might seem crazy to feel sorry for a millionaire athlete but I do.
Quote: smoothgrhIn the annals of sports, will his name appear next to Bill Buckner, Leon Lett, and … a third person I can't think of?
Oh—maybe he IS the third person!
Chris Weber.
Quote: smoothgrhIn the annals of sports, will his name appear next to Bill Buckner, Leon Lett, and … a third person I can't think of?
Oh—maybe he IS the third person!
For my fathers generation and before, Fred Merkel was the man associated with sports blunders. Now only the sharpest of fans knows him.
I'll definitely take the Cavs.
I think the public is mistaken if they don't think the Cavs can compete strongly in Cleveland.
this is going to be my empty the wallet bet. I'll take a plunge. hope I don't drown.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Quote: smoothgrhIn the annals of sports, will his name appear next to Bill Buckner, Leon Lett, and … a third person I can't think of?
Oh—maybe he IS the third person!
Freddy Brown Georgetown
Quote: smoothgrhIn the annals of sports, will his name appear next to Bill Buckner, Leon Lett, and … a third person I can't think of?
Oh—maybe he IS the third person!
he wasn't an athlete but my pick would be Steve Bartman.
he had to leave Wrigley Field with security personnel. fans were going to beat the s*** out of him.
if I remember correctly he had to move from Chicago, he was getting constant death threats
Quote: lilredroosterhe wasn't an athlete but my pick would be Steve Bartman.
he had to leave Wrigley Field with security personnel. fans were going to beat the s*** out of him.
if I remember correctly he had to move from Chicago, he was getting constant death threats
I feel bad for J.R. Smith too. I prefer seeing greatness at the highest level of sports, but even top athletes make mistakes. Unfortunately for them, championship events magnify the mistakes into epic proportions.
As far as Steve Bartman, he got a raw deal and was made the scapegoat. Fans aren't professionally trained athletes and aren't expected to have their "head in the game." The natural reaction is to reach for a foul ball, not block everyone out. Plus, the Cubs made their own mistakes later in the game. Fortunately for the Bartman saga, it had what seems to be a happy ending.
Quote: smoothgrhIn the annals of sports, will his name appear next to Bill Buckner, Leon Lett, and … a third person I can't think of?
Oh—maybe he IS the third person!
Chris Weber
Quote: smoothgrhAs far as Steve Bartman, he got a raw deal and was made the scapegoat.
He absolutely got a raw deal
Cubs pitching totally fell apart after that play. That's who is to really blame for the loss
