JyBrd0403
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May 6th, 2017 at 5:22:23 AM permalink
Quote: Keeneone

Not that anyone asked for or should really care... My picks:

Kentucky Oaks(Fri): #12 - Daddys Lil Darling, #13 - Abel Tasman



I was looking through the posts here. GREAT CALL on the Kentucky Oaks race, Keeneone! Well done!

I took Paradise Woods ...umm...err...umm...yeah.
billryan
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May 6th, 2017 at 5:37:18 AM permalink
The race proceeding the Derbyshire is on the grass. That, combined with the unusual gap in between races on Derby Day means the crew will have close to two hours to work on what is one of the quickest drying tracks. Should be a solid track at post time.
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Keeneone
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May 6th, 2017 at 7:23:22 AM permalink
Quote: JyBrd0403

I was looking through the posts here. GREAT CALL on the Kentucky Oaks race, Keeneone! Well done!

I took Paradise Woods ...umm...err...umm...yeah.


Thank you.
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This is the fun way to handicap the Derby...



McCracken is the pick!
onenickelmiracle
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May 6th, 2017 at 9:08:42 AM permalink
I'm going to make a $10 win bet on Gunnevera, tri box $.50($12) Gunnevera, Hence, Irish War Cry and Thunder Snow, might go cheap kicking out either Irish War Cry or Thunder Snow. Not expecting I'll win, so take it with a grain of salt.

Might do 10,17/1,2,8,10,17/1,2,8,10,17? $12 bet also but out if 2,8 wins. Will probably bet this ticket.
Last edited by: onenickelmiracle on May 6, 2017
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
onenickelmiracle
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May 6th, 2017 at 1:33:32 PM permalink
$8 win Gunnevera, $.50 trifecta 10/1,2,4,8,17/1,2,4,8,17 was the bet I sat on for $10.
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
billryan
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May 6th, 2017 at 1:45:13 PM permalink
Forgive my ignorance, but are casinos part of the larger pari-mutual field or do they stand alone?
Does a last minute $5 million dollar bet in NY affect the odds in Vegas? Does a bet at the Hilton affect odds at SP?
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onenickelmiracle
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May 6th, 2017 at 2:05:34 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Forgive my ignorance, but are casinos part of the larger pari-mutual field or do they stand alone?
Does a last minute $5 million dollar bet in NY affect the odds in Vegas? Does a bet at the Hilton affect odds at SP?

All one pool, that's why you see the same odds everywhere.
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
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May 6th, 2017 at 2:36:42 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Forgive my ignorance, but are casinos part of the larger pari-mutual field or do they stand alone?
Does a last minute $5 million dollar bet in NY affect the odds in Vegas? Does a bet at the Hilton affect odds at SP?

Yes, mostly no except sometimes yes, yes, and yes.

Nevada racebook wagers are transmitted directly into the host track parimutual pools, and payouts come from those pools and are determined by them, The casino books act as an off-site agent under a statewide master contract in processing those wagers. They are very much like other off-track betting contractors nationwide in that way, and the effect is just like someone sitting at Los Alamitos in California or at home in Buffalo with a NYRA telephone account, betting races at Churchill or Gulfstream.

There some exceptions to that, outside of the statewide contracts with the tracks, that are unique to Nevada books. For example separately from the Churchill Downs parimutual Derby future wager pools that are opened several times, there are fixed odds future wagers available from some books for some horseracing related things, including the future winner of the Derby, the Oaks, and some Breeders' Cup events, yes/no on whether there will be a Triple Crown winner, etc. And some casino books also offer a variety of their own prop wager gimmicks. These things are booked in-house, and are treated as sports wagers just like a prop on "who will be the Super Bowl MVP" and suchlike or the o/u line on how many games the Enormous State University Fighting Gerbils will lose. But those things amount to only a very small fraction of the much bigger wagering volume of their large share of participation in the same parimutual pools as every other licensed parimutual wagering outlet across the nation.
Nevermind.
billryan
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May 6th, 2017 at 2:38:36 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

All one pool, that's why you see the same odds everywhere.



You see the same line on most NFL games, but each casino stands alone, or is part of a small group. Its certainly not one pool. What does South Point, as an example, make off a $5 bet? I just don't get the economics of having huge casino space devoted to sports and horse betting when a dozen kiosks could do the job.
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billryan
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May 6th, 2017 at 2:41:31 PM permalink
IN NY, as an example, the OTBs don't do field bets( or didn't in the past) so there have been big races where the winner paid one price at the track and another at OTB.
One race produced a rather small track price but $100 price in NY.
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