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Mission146
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September 18th, 2016 at 1:30:21 AM permalink
Greetings!

The Weeek 2 Picks have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/26768-2016-wov-nfl-picks-game-official-thread/2/#post554147

We also appear to be missing two players, and I was going to figure it out, but then I figured it will come to light when the standings get posted.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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September 18th, 2016 at 3:41:44 AM permalink
I forgot
Taking a skip week
Had every intention of picking
but
was playing an addicting video game, Fallout 4
Time just flies and when I noticed the clock, it was past midnight
Just set a alarm on my phone for every Sat nite so I don't forget again :-)
On the plus side, will still be in 1st place :-)
Last edited by: terapined on Sep 18, 2016
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September 18th, 2016 at 5:01:54 AM permalink
Just putting an official note out there.

My Pittsburgh is -3.5 - Confidence not +3.5. It's called a typo. I see another person did the same thing as me too.

For discrepancies like this, especially with ATS picks, please note that the team should be the qualifier, not the number. It is very easy to mistakenly misplace a -/+.

I'm just throwing this out here to ensure that my pick shows the correct symbol and so I note my pick before the game is played.
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September 18th, 2016 at 6:02:56 AM permalink
Here are the complete breakdowns:

Games First followed by Players Second:

TeamWagerWagered ONOpposition# of Players ONConfidence ForConfidence Against
Green Bay-2.51231530
Kansas City2.51021211
San Francisco13.51021211
Cleveland6.5641020
Dallas372901
Seattle-6.572910
Philadelphia371810
Pittsburgh-3.553820
Miami6.544810
Indianapolis652701
Oakland-4.552700
AtlantaUNDER 49.542600
New Orleans4.542601
Detroit-632500
Jacksonville330300
Arizona-6.521300
ArizonaUNDER 5020200
Kansas CityUNDER 4311200
New OrleansUNDER 5311200
BaltimoreUNDER 42.510100
DetroitUNDER 47.510100
MinnesotaUNDER 43.510100
New EnglandOVER 4210100
PhiladelphiaOVER 42.510100
PittsburghOVER 48.510100


PLAYERS

PlayerTeamWagerWagered ONOpposition# of Players ONConfidenceConfidence ForConfidence Against
10DollarBritDenver-6257NO10
10DollarBritHouston-2.521012NO10
10DollarBritLos Angeles6.5279NO00
10DollarBritCleveland6.56410NO20
10DollarBritDallas3729NO01
AlusioJacksonville3303NO00
AlusioPittsburgh-3.5538YES20
AlusioPhiladelphia3718NO10
AlusioSeattle-6.5729NO10
AlusioSan Francisco13.510212NO11
AyeCarumbaNew OrleansOVER 53112NO00
AyeCarumbaNew England-6.5448NO00
AyeCarumbaOakland-4.5527NO00
AyeCarumbaDallas3729NO01
AyeCarumbaSeattle-6.5729YES10
BeachBumBabsKansas CityOVER 43112NO00
BeachBumBabsMinnesotaUNDER 43.5101NO00
BeachBumBabsArizona-6.5213NO00
BeachBumBabsBaltimore-6.54610NO00
BeachBumBabsGreen Bay-2.512315YES30
EdCollinsDetroit-6325NO00
EdCollinsMiami6.5448NO10
EdCollinsOakland-4.5527NO00
EdCollinsDallas3729NO01
EdCollinsGreen Bay-2.512315NO30
FourFiveFaceTampa Bay6.5123NO00
FourFiveFaceIndianapolis6527NO01
FourFiveFaceCleveland6.56410NO20
FourFiveFaceSan Francisco13.510212NO11
FourFiveFaceGreen Bay-2.512315YES30
GenwyzgyPittsburghOVER 48.5101NO00
GenwyzgyAtlantaOVER 49.5246NO00
GenwyzgyTennessee6235NO00
GenwyzgyKansas City2.510212NO11
GenwyzgySan Francisco13.510212YES11
GWAENew OrleansUNDER 53112NO00
GWAECincinnatti3.5358NO00
GWAEDetroit-6325NO00
GWAEMiami6.5448YES10
GWAECleveland6.56410NO20
JML24Detroit-6325NO00
JML24Minnesota2.531215NO00
JML24Cleveland6.56410NO20
JML24Kansas City2.510212NO11
JML24San Francisco13.510212NO11
JoelDezeNew EnglandOVER 42101NO00
JoelDezePittsburgh-3.5538YES20
JoelDezeDallas3729NO01
JoelDezePhiladelphia3718NO10
JoelDezeSan Francisco13.510212NO11
JohnnyQArizonaUNDER 50202NO00
JohnnyQMinnesota2.531215NO00
JohnnyQAtlantaUNDER 49.5426NO00
JohnnyQBaltimore-6.54610NO00
JohnnyQSan Francisco13.510212NO11
JohnZimboBaltimoreUNDER 42.5101NO00
JohnZimboNY Giants-4.5246NO10
JohnZimboOakland-4.5527NO00
JohnZimboKansas City2.510212NO11
JohnZimboGreen Bay-2.512315NO30
JW17Arizona-6.5213NO00
JW17Denver-6257YES10
JW17New England-6.5448NO00
JW17Kansas City2.510212NO11
JW17Green Bay-2.512315NO30
MidWestAPJacksonville3303NO00
MidWestAPNew Orleans4.5426NO01
MidWestAPIndianapolis6527NO01
MidWestAPPhiladelphia3718NO10
MidWestAPGreen Bay-2.512315NO30
MipletCincinnatti3.5358NO00
MipletAtlantaUNDER 49.5426NO00
MipletNew Orleans4.5426NO01
MipletCleveland6.56410YES20
MipletKansas City2.510212NO11
Mission146AtlantaUNDER 49.5426NO00
Mission146Dallas3729NO01
Mission146Kansas City2.510212NO11
Mission146San Francisco13.510212NO11
Mission146Green Bay-2.512315NO30
OdiousGambitAtlantaUNDER 49.5426NO00
OdiousGambitOakland-4.5527NO00
OdiousGambitSeattle-6.5729NO10
OdiousGambitKansas City2.510212NO11
OdiousGambitGreen Bay-2.512315NO30
ParadigmJacksonville3303NO00
ParadigmMiami6.5448NO10
ParadigmIndianapolis6527NO01
ParadigmPhiladelphia3718NO10
ParadigmSeattle-6.5729NO10
PlayYourCardsRightChicago-3178NO00
PlayYourCardsRightHouston-2.521012YES10
PlayYourCardsRightBaltimore-6.54610NO00
PlayYourCardsRightOakland-4.5527NO00
PlayYourCardsRightSeattle-6.5729NO10
RainmanLos Angeles6.5279NO00
RainmanNY Giants-4.5246YES10
RainmanDallas3729NO01
RainmanSan Francisco13.510212NO11
RainmanGreen Bay-2.512315NO30
RDW4POTUSAtlanta4.5257NO00
RDW4POTUSMinnesota2.531215NO00
RDW4POTUSPittsburgh-3.5538NO20
RDW4POTUSKansas City2.510212NO11
RDW4POTUSSan Francisco13.510212NO11
Scottimus1ArizonaUNDER 50202NO00
Scottimus1AtlantaOVER 49.5246NO00
Scottimus1Carolina-13.521012YES10
Scottimus1Pittsburgh-3.5538NO20
Scottimus1Green Bay-2.512315NO30
SM777Kansas CityUNDER 43112NO00
SM777Washington-3279NO10
SM777Indianapolis6527NO01
SM777Seattle-6.5729NO10
SM777Kansas City2.510212YES11
SOOPOOAtlanta4.5257NO00
SOOPOONew Orleans4.5426NO01
SOOPOOIndianapolis6527NO01
SOOPOOSeattle-6.5729NO10
SOOPOOGreen Bay-2.512315YES30
Wizard Tennessee6235NO00
Wizard Cincinnatti3.5358NO00
Wizard Miami6.5448NO10
Wizard Cleveland6.56410YES20
Wizard Dallas3729NO01
WizardofNothingPhiladelphiaOVER 42.5101NO00
WizardofNothingCarolina-13.521012NO10
WizardofNothingBaltimore-6.54610NO00
WizardofNothingPittsburgh-3.5538NO20
WizardofNothingPhiladelphia3718YES10
WudgedWashington-3279YES10
WudgedNew England-6.5448NO00
WudgedNew Orleans4.5426NO01
WudgedPhiladelphia3718NO10
WudgedGreen Bay-2.512315NO30
ZourahDetroitUNDER 47.5101NO00
ZourahNew England-6.5448NO00
ZourahPhiladelphia3718NO10
ZourahKansas City2.510212NO11
ZourahSan Francisco13.510212NO11


Wagered ON = the number of players that are wagering on
Opposition = the number of players that are wagering against
# of Players On = the total number of players that have an interest in the game

If you see a 1 on wagered on and 0 on opposition for players, you can consider that a "unique" entry.
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September 18th, 2016 at 6:39:28 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

Just putting an official note out there.

My Pittsburgh is -3.5 - Confidence not +3.5. It's called a typo. I see another person did the same thing as me too.

For discrepancies like this, especially with ATS picks, please note that the team should be the qualifier, not the number. It is very easy to mistakenly misplace a -/+.

I'm just throwing this out here to ensure that my pick shows the correct symbol and so I note my pick before the game is played.


Thank you. My grading spreadsheet does exactly that. It completely ignores the spread entered by the player, if any, and simply uses the spread Mission provides.
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September 18th, 2016 at 6:45:16 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

Here are the complete breakdowns:

Games First followed by Players Second:

Opposition = the number of players that are wagering against
# of Players On = the total number of players that have an interest in the game

If you see a 1 on wagered on and 0 on opposition for players, you can consider that a "unique" entry.

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September 18th, 2016 at 6:46:06 AM permalink
So what makes the following game so popular to pick ? (Apologies for the weird formatting):

TeamWagerWagered ONOpposition# of Players ONConfidence ForConfidence Against
Green Bay-2.51231530
TeamWagerWagered ONOpposition# of Players ONConfidence ForConfidence Against
Green Bay-2.51231530


JoelDeze:

Thanks for putting all that together for us to see, I think that makes it a lot more interesting to follow.
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September 18th, 2016 at 7:18:07 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

So what makes the following game so popular to pick ? (Apologies for the weird formatting):

TeamWagerWagered ONOpposition# of Players ONConfidence ForConfidence Against
Green Bay-2.51231530


JoelDeze:

Thanks for putting all that together for us to see, I think that makes it a lot more interesting to follow.



I don't know but the current line is 1.5 so there must be a lot of money coming in on it.

Full point move gives a lot of opp to.middle on the game for some folKS
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September 18th, 2016 at 7:31:53 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

Just putting an official note out there.

My Pittsburgh is -3.5 - Confidence not +3.5. It's called a typo. I see another person did the same thing as me too.

For discrepancies like this, especially with ATS picks, please note that the team should be the qualifier, not the number. It is very easy to mistakenly misplace a -/+.

I'm just throwing this out here to ensure that my pick shows the correct symbol and so I note my pick before the game is played.



You're good, the team is always the qualifier with Ed's program, I believe. If I'm not mistaken, you could put +132 and it would still score it based on whatever the line in the program is...but I could be wrong.

By the way, thanks for the awesome charts!
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September 18th, 2016 at 7:42:35 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Quote: JohnnyQ

So what makes the following game so popular to pick ? (Apologies for the weird formatting):

TeamWagerWagered ONOpposition# of Players ONConfidence ForConfidence Against
Green Bay-2.51231530


JoelDeze:

Thanks for putting all that together for us to see, I think that makes it a lot more interesting to follow.



I don't know but the current line is 1.5 so there must be a lot of money coming in on it.

Full point move gives a lot of opp to.middle on the game for some folKS



A full point from 1.5 to 2.5 does not give a viable middle opportunity. Paying the vig on both sides for the only positive payout being an exact two point win by the favorite is not profitable. Different answer if the point is between 2.5 and 3.5.

Green Bay is considered a top5 NFL team. The Vikings are playing a backup QB. Fans (like me....) don't fear the home field as much as they should. That all being said, I would have made the Packers a 3 point favorite.
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September 18th, 2016 at 8:03:18 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: GWAE

Quote: JohnnyQ

So what makes the following game so popular to pick ? (Apologies for the weird formatting):

TeamWagerWagered ONOpposition# of Players ONConfidence ForConfidence Against
Green Bay-2.51231530


JoelDeze:

Thanks for putting all that together for us to see, I think that makes it a lot more interesting to follow.



I don't know but the current line is 1.5 so there must be a lot of money coming in on it.

Full point move gives a lot of opp to.middle on the game for some folKS



A full point from 1.5 to 2.5 does not give a viable middle opportunity. Paying the vig on both sides for the only positive payout being an exact two point win by the favorite is not profitable. Different answer if the point is between 2.5 and 3.5.

Green Bay is considered a top5 NFL team. The Vikings are playing a backup QB. Fans (like me....) don't fear the home field as much as they should. That all being said, I would have made the Packers a 3 point favorite.



This is my favorite game of the year. Vikings are my team. But I just couldn't take them with Bridgewater out . Defense won it for them last week but they won't score 2 defense td's against GB.

That said, it wouldn't break my heart to lose that pick. Go Vikes!
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September 18th, 2016 at 11:47:38 AM permalink
Yep last time I go against NE.

Amy chance they pull a bleadsoe (I think that's who it was)with Brady?
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September 18th, 2016 at 12:45:45 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146


You're good, the team is always the qualifier with Ed's program, I believe. If I'm not mistaken, you could put +132 and it would still score it based on whatever the line in the program is...but I could be wrong.


As I mentioned above, you are not wrong. The spread entered by the player is ignored.
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September 18th, 2016 at 2:18:35 PM permalink
On track for my 3 season average of 30%

1-5 today
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September 18th, 2016 at 3:19:33 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

On track for my 3 season average of 30%

1-5 today

Damm it, you were supposed to privately send me your picks with plenty of time to get down . I definitely would've bet the other side.
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September 18th, 2016 at 3:27:11 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Damm it, you were supposed to privately send me your picks with plenty of time to get down . I definitely would've bet the other side.



It is amazing how bad I am. I just don't understand it. I thought for sure Miami would be under 6.5 maybe even win the game. They flash the scores on the big scoreboard and boom 14-0 in first quarter.

My only win was the Browns at +6.5. They were up 20-5 or something like that and end up losing 25-20. They almost made me an ofer
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September 18th, 2016 at 4:05:42 PM permalink
I'm 4-1 so far this week, having won my confidence. Still have one more game to go on Monday night. The 49ers came back to cover late and then blew it, allowing 13 unanswered points to Scam Newton and the Black Panther party. I was really hoping to go 6-0. Oh well... Now I can hope to go 5-1. I hate Monday Night games. I'm also happy that I'm 2-0 on confidence picks over the last two weeks. The early weeks are the toughest weeks. So, for anyone that is down, it's difficult to project games with a small data set.
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September 19th, 2016 at 6:02:07 AM permalink
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It is amazing how bad I am



Oh no you don't! You can't claim the "you suck" money when I have dibs on it! 0-5 this week. The Seahawks can't score against the Rams? WTH is up with that?

Of course, gwae, you know what is going to happen if we try to win the "you suck"? We both win all 5 games the last week by accident and some dude swoops in to claim it!
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September 19th, 2016 at 6:46:07 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Oh no you don't! You can't claim the "you suck" money when I have dibs on it! 0-5 this week. The Seahawks can't score against the Rams? WTH is up with that?

Of course, gwae, you know what is going to happen if we try to win the "you suck"? We both win all 5 games the last week by accident and some dude swoops in to claim it!



Haha that's exactly what will happen. Maybe next week I will make my picks then do the opposite. I am going to try that strategy and see what happens.
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September 19th, 2016 at 7:50:41 AM permalink
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My only win was the Browns at +6.5. They were up 20-5 or something like that and end up losing 25-20. They almost made me an ofer



They were up 20-0 and lost 25-20.
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September 19th, 2016 at 8:24:30 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Haha that's exactly what will happen. Maybe next week I will make my picks then do the opposite. I am going to try that strategy and see what happens.

NO!!! It doesn't work like that, because you already know in advance you'll be doing that, you'll then subconsciously pick totally different than you normally would.

I have a feeling you're self sabotaging yourself or something, perhaps you're actually a super good handicapper, however you actually pick the opposite by always second guessing yourself and always going the opposite of what you know to be the best plays.

I have seen guys with winning records until they start betting money on it.

Or it's all just random dumb luck.
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September 19th, 2016 at 8:35:01 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

NO!!! It doesn't work like that, because you already know in advance you'll be doing that, you'll then subconsciously pick totally different than you normally would.

I have a feeling you're self sabotaging yourself or something, perhaps you're actually a super good handicapper, however you actually pick the opposite by always second guessing yourself and always going the opposite of what you know to be the best plays.

I have seen guys with winning records until they start betting money on it.

Or it's all just random dumb luck.



I wish that were the case. I really felt strongly about NE losing this week. I also thought cincy might upset the steelers. Owell I will just keep making my picks as I see them and maybe at some point they will turn around.
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September 19th, 2016 at 9:03:34 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I wish that were the case. I really felt strongly about NE losing this week. I also thought cincy might upset the steelers. Owell I will just keep making my picks as I see them and maybe at some point they will turn around.



New England was an LPR 10 and had a 72.73% chance to win the game outright. In terms of offensive vs. defensive strength DIFF, the following was true:

New England (110.3 vs. 93.9) OR (+17.4 DIFF advantage in momentum)
Miami (25.4 vs. 62.7) OR (-37.3 DIFF disadvantage in momentum)

The points projection based on risk trends had the Patriots winning 25-21 but the home team gets +3 points so realistically they should have won 28-21 (-7 DIFF). They won 31-24 (-7 DIFF).

New England had a 90% win probability just with PERD (Pass Efficiency Rating Difference).

The Patriots are 105.24 on offense and 102.534 on defense for a PERD of 2.7061.
The Dolphins are 69.6121 on offense and 75.7267 on defense for a PERD Of -6.1147.

However, the RISK on the ATS in favor of New England was 35% and that was too much for me to take. Also, I live here and work less than 2 miles from the stadium and I know how raucous the home environment is.

Early season tends to favor offense and because of the score projection I took the OVER, which worked well.
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September 19th, 2016 at 8:45:11 PM permalink
Unofficial Results for Week 2

Mission146 (1-4)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Dallas +3 (win)
San Francisco +13.5 (loss)
Falcons UNDER 49.5 (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)

BeachBumBabs (2-4)
Chiefs OVER 43 (loss)
Vikings Under 43.5 (win)
Packers -2.5 Confidence (loss)
Ravens -6.5 (loss)
Cardinals -6.5 (win)

Zourah (3-2)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Patriots -6.5 (win)
Eagles +3 (win)
Lions UNDER 47.5 (win)

JohnnyQ (2-3)
Ravens (-6.5) (loss)
49ers (+13.5) (loss)
Buccaneers UNDER 50 (win)
Falcons UNDER 49.5 (loss)
Vikings (+2.5) (win)

JoelDeze (5-1)
Eagles +3 (win)
Cowboys +3 (win)
Patriots OVER 42 (win)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Steelers -3.5 - CONFIDENCE (win)

JW17 (4-2)
Broncos -6 CONFIDENCE (win)
Patriots -6.5 (win)
Cardinals -6.5 (win)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)

JML24 (2-3)
Lions -6 (loss)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Browns +6.5 (win)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Vikings +2.5 (win)

Paradigm (1-4)
Eagles +3 (win)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Colts +6 (loss)
Dolphins +6.5 (loss)
Jaguars +3 (loss)

EdCollins (1-4)
Lions -6 (loss)
Dolphins +6.5 (loss)
Cowboys +3 (win)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)

SOOPOO (2-4)
Packers -2.5 (confidence) (loss)
Falcons +4.5 (win)
Colts +6 (loss)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Saints +4.5 (win)

SM777 (1-5)
Chiefs +2.5 CONFIDENCE (loss)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Chiefs UNDER 43 (win)
Redskins -3 (loss)
Colts +6 (loss)

Genwyzgy (2-4)
Titans +6 (win)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Steelers OVER 48.5 (loss)
49ers +13.5 Confidence (loss)
Raiders OVER 49.5 (win)

WizardofNothing (5-1)
Panthers (win)
Steelers (win)
Ravens (loss)
Eagles - confidence (win)
Eagles over (win)

GWAE (2-4)
Lions -6 (loss)
Dolphins +6.5 confidence (loss)
Browns +6.5 (win)
Bengals +3.5 (loss)
Saints U 53 (win)

FourFiveFace (1-5)
Browns +6.5 (win)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Buccaneers +6.5 (loss)
Colts +6 (loss)
Packers -2.5-Confidence (loss)

Wudged (3-3)
Redskins -3 - Confidence (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Eagles +3 (win)
Saints +4.5 (win)
Patriots -6.5 (win)

10DollarBri (5-0)
Texans -2.5 (win)
Browns +6.5 (win)
Cowboys +3 (win)
Rams +6.5 (win)
Broncos -6 (win)

Scottimus1 (5-1)
Steelers -3.5 (win)
Bucs/Cards under 50 (win)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Falcons/Raiders over 49.5 (win)
Panthers -13.5 - Confidence (win)

JohnZimbo (0-5)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Ravens under 42.5 (loss)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Giants -4.5 (loss)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)

PlayYourCardsRight (2-4)
Ravens -6.5 (loss)
Seahawks- 6.5 (loss)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)
Bears -3 (loss)
Texans -2.5 CONFIDENCE (win)

MidWestAP (2-3)
Saints +4.5 (win)
Colts +6 (loss)
Jaguars +3 (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Eagles +3 (win)

OdiousGambit (0-5)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Raiders UNDER 49.5 (loss)

Aluisio (3-3)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Steelers -3.5 (confidence) (win)
Eagles +3 (win)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Jaguars +3 (loss)

RDW4POTUS (3-2)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Falcons +4.5 (win)
Vikings +2.5 (win)
Steelers -3.5 (win)

Rainman (2-4)
Giants -4.5 confidence (loss)
Dallas +3 (win)
Rams +6.5 (win)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
49ers +13.5 (loss)

Miplet (3-3)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Browns +6.5-confidence (win)
Bengals +3.5 (loss)
Saints +4.5 (win)
Raiders UNDER 49.5 (loss)

AyeCarumba (2-4)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)
Seahawks -6.5 Confidence (loss)
Saints OVER 53 (loss)
Patriots -6.5 (win)
Cowboys +3 (win)

Wizard (4-2)
Titans +6 (win)
Dolphins +6.5 (loss)
Browns +6.5-CONFIDENCE (win)
Bengals +3.5 (loss)
Cowboys +3 (win)


Name Wins Losses %
Terapined 5 0 100.00%
10DollarBri 8 2 80.00%
Scottimus1 9 3 75.00%
JoelDeze 8 3 72.73%
Wizard 8 4 66.67%
WizardofNothing 7 5 58.33%
Aluisio 3 3 50.00%
JohnnyQ 5 5 50.00%
JW17 6 6 50.00%
Miplet 6 6 50.00%
Mission146 5 5 50.00%
RDW4POTUS 5 5 50.00%
SOOPOO 6 6 50.00%
TheoHuxtable 3 3 50.00%
AyeCarumba 5 6 45.45%
JohnZimbo 5 6 45.45%
PlayYourCardsRight 5 6 45.45%
FourFiveFace 5 7 41.67%
GWAE 5 7 41.67%
EdCollins 4 6 40.00%
JML24 4 6 40.00%
MidwestAP 4 6 40.00%
Paradigm 4 6 40.00%
Zourah 4 6 40.00%
GenWyzgy 4 7 36.36%
SM777 3 8 27.27%
Wudged 3 8 27.27%
BeachBumBabs 3 9 25.00%
Rainman 3 9 25.00%
OdiousGambit 2 8 20.00%
Totals 147 167 46.82%


Record of Skipped Weeks:

Aluisio: Week 1
Terapined: Week 2
TheoHuxtable: Week 2
GWAE
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Boy we sucked as a group
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My god, we suck.

Congrats to 10dollarbri, though.

I had the Vikings written as my confidence pick, said, oh, just being sentimental and changed it. Oops. Hurt me less than watching Rodgers throw up all over himself in front of millions, though. What an awful game for him.
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On track for my 3 season average of 30%

1-5 today



According to the unofficial results, you went 2-4. Christmas in September!
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Quote: MidwestAP

According to the unofficial results, you went 2-4. Christmas in September!



lmao, I just looked at my message to mission. I accidentally put - on the NOLA game instead of +

Yay for stupidness.
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I was wondering if Mission and all the other players would allow this
I missed week 2 and it was my fault because I simply forgot
I want to make sure I don't miss another week and get disqualified.
I was interested in sending picks in Thur evening or Friday morning real quick
Then really studying Sat nite and send in another set of picks Sat nite voiding the earlier picks
That way if I forget Sat nite , my picks Thur or Fri will count
Is this ok?
I don't think I have any type of advantage doing this but other players or Mission may feel this should not be allowed
Thoughts?
Can I do this Mission?
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September 20th, 2016 at 4:32:16 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

My god, we suck.

Congrats to 10dollarbri, though.


Thanks! Don't worry my suck picks begin next week I promise.
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September 20th, 2016 at 4:51:50 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

I was wondering if Mission and all the other players would allow this
I missed week 2 and it was my fault because I simply forgot
I want to make sure I don't miss another week and get disqualified.
I was interested in sending picks in Thur evening or Friday morning real quick
Then really studying Sat nite and send in another set of picks Sat nite voiding the earlier picks
That way if I forget Sat nite , my picks Thur or Fri will count
Is this ok?
I don't think I have any type of advantage doing this but other players or Mission may feel this should not be allowed
Thoughts?
Can I do this Mission?


No, there is no advantage to doing this... and I personally don't have a problem with it at all.

However, if Mission allows you to do this, he'd have to give everyone else this option too. So now he potentially is opening twice as many e-mails each week. (In theory). And he'd always have to make sure to use the second set of picks for anyone that entered twice, and not post the first set of picks.

Mission is doing enough work as it is. This can't be ideal for him. Let's not have him do this. There's got to be a better way to remind yourself to get them in on time.
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September 20th, 2016 at 4:55:45 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

I was wondering if Mission and all the other players would allow this
I missed week 2 and it was my fault because I simply forgot
I want to make sure I don't miss another week and get disqualified.
I was interested in sending picks in Thur evening or Friday morning real quick
Then really studying Sat nite and send in another set of picks Sat nite voiding the earlier picks
That way if I forget Sat nite , my picks Thur or Fri will count
Is this ok?
I don't think I have any type of advantage doing this but other players or Mission may feel this should not be allowed
Thoughts?
Can I do this Mission?



I'll let Mission provide an official answer, but don't see an issue with this. I recall one year where Wizard had default picks set up in case he forgot or was unable to submit. I think he had instructed Mission to give him the largest underdogs in this situation.
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September 20th, 2016 at 5:11:21 PM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

I'll let Mission provide an official answer, but don't see an issue with this. I recall one year where Wizard had default picks set up in case he forgot or was unable to submit. I think he had instructed Mission to give him the largest underdogs in this situation.



Mission doesn't open any picks until after he's sent his to me on Sat. evening to leave a trail of proof he isn't taking advantage of other people's picks in making his own. He then opens them all. (I don't open his at all, in order to preserve the sent time stamp.)

Perhaps if the subject line on the default picks said "default picks for week x" he could skip that one for anyone who sent one, and come back to it if there wasn't a more recent pm from that person. If they sent a second pick, us that and trash the default pm, if not, use the default pm. Most of us wouldn't use it, but all of us could be in a situation at some point where it would be desirable, over a season.

Not speaking for him, but I think that would be a minor workload issue done that way.
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September 20th, 2016 at 5:51:26 PM permalink
Quote: EdCollins


However, if Mission allows you to do this, he'd have to give everyone else this option too. So now he potentially is opening twice as many e-mails each week. (In theory). And he'd always have to make sure to use the second set of picks for anyone that entered twice, and not post the first set of picks.

Mission is doing enough work as it is. This can't be ideal for him. Let's not have him do this. There's got to be a better way to remind yourself to get them in on time.

It's up to Mission, but it also seems to me to be un-necessarily confusing, especially if everyone did it. I don't care either way, just don't want to see poor M146 overloaded, juggling a job, kid(s) - I think, and a g/f.
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September 20th, 2016 at 6:15:14 PM permalink
I'm actually hoping terapined forgets a second time and gets DQ'd....hehe no, really... he's got a perfect record so far...

Actually, I do recall the Wizard having a default set of picks, but that was a set of general instructions that would apply each week, not a weekly email voiding the first set of picks, and replacing them with another. If this were the Westgate's Super Contest, would they let you change your picks after you submitted them?

On the other hand, I think that Mission mentioned in previous games that he would allow a late change in the case of an extreme situation, like a weather cancellation or an injury to a key player, but that should be confirmed as the past practice.
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September 20th, 2016 at 6:25:12 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Boy we sucked as a group

6 > 50.0 %
8 at 50.0 %
16 < 50.0 %

Over time, will there be a more "normal" distribution centered on 50.0 % ?
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September 21st, 2016 at 4:43:10 AM permalink
I have a alarm on my phone now to remind me not to forget Sat nite
I can live with that :-)
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If rioting causes the Panther's game to be rescheduled, would picks associated with that game also be postponed?
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I don't think we should be accepting two sets of picks- if you can't remember then that's on you
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September 22nd, 2016 at 1:34:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I don't think we should be accepting two sets of picks- if you can't remember then that's on you


Fair enough
Got a reminder on my phone now :-)
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September 22nd, 2016 at 1:38:52 PM permalink
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I don't think we should be accepting two sets of picks- if you can't remember then that's on you



I feel that if it is moved to a different city or a different week then it should be either no game or you can change your pick.
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Good job!!!! Extremely well through out 👍
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September 22nd, 2016 at 5:26:29 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

I was wondering if Mission and all the other players would allow this
I missed week 2 and it was my fault because I simply forgot
I want to make sure I don't miss another week and get disqualified.
I was interested in sending picks in Thur evening or Friday morning real quick
Then really studying Sat nite and send in another set of picks Sat nite voiding the earlier picks
That way if I forget Sat nite , my picks Thur or Fri will count
Is this ok?
I don't think I have any type of advantage doing this but other players or Mission may feel this should not be allowed
Thoughts?
Can I do this Mission?



Absolutely, Picks can be modified anytime and the most recent Picks sent count. I would ask that it doesn't get ridiculous with five or six different sets, or anything, but I get two or three from the same person somewhat frequently.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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September 22nd, 2016 at 5:28:58 PM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

No, there is no advantage to doing this... and I personally don't have a problem with it at all.

However, if Mission allows you to do this, he'd have to give everyone else this option too. So now he potentially is opening twice as many e-mails each week. (In theory). And he'd always have to make sure to use the second set of picks for anyone that entered twice, and not post the first set of picks.

Mission is doing enough work as it is. This can't be ideal for him. Let's not have him do this. There's got to be a better way to remind yourself to get them in on time.



This has actually always been allowed, it just didn't seem like something that needed to be in the Official Rules. The Picks aren't the Picks, strictly speaking, until they have been posted. There are also PM's to back up changes to Picks, so if I accidentally post a set of Picks sent prior, then there is no problem because they can be modified later.

Like I said, the only thing I really ask is that I don't get several sets of Picks. And, of course, that any PM's containing Picks of any kind make such clear in the Subject line so I don't accidentally see Picks before making my own.
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September 22nd, 2016 at 5:30:46 PM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

I'll let Mission provide an official answer, but don't see an issue with this. I recall one year where Wizard had default picks set up in case he forgot or was unable to submit. I think he had instructed Mission to give him the largest underdogs in this situation.



Something like that, and in fact, he has a default strategy set up again this year. Anyone may have a default strategy so long as it is memorialized in a PM.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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September 22nd, 2016 at 5:32:28 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ


Mission is doing enough work as it is. This can't be ideal for him. Let's not have him do this. There's got to be a better way to remind yourself to get them in on time.

Quote:

It's up to Mission, but it also seems to me to be un-necessarily confusing, especially if everyone did it. I don't care either way, just don't want to see poor M146 overloaded, juggling a job, kid(s) - I think, and a g/f.



Thanks for thinking of me, and yes, two kids and a gf are both correct. However, it really isn't THAT much extra time. If I start getting three or four corrections a week from people I'll say, "This is getting to be a bit much," but that's about it.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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September 22nd, 2016 at 5:34:33 PM permalink
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On the other hand, I think that Mission mentioned in previous games that he would allow a late change in the case of an extreme situation, like a weather cancellation or an injury to a key player, but that should be confirmed as the past practice.



It never had to be extreme, people correct one game (for example) somewhat often. Usually it's because they picked OVER when they actually meant UNDER, or something like that. It really doesn't matter to me what the reason is, the practice has never been illegal and the most recent PM is always the Picks that are used.
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September 22nd, 2016 at 5:35:52 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

If rioting causes the Panther's game to be rescheduled, would picks associated with that game also be postponed?



No Decision.

I mean, I'm making a decision, but the game would be scored a No Decision. Just like when someone has a team -3 and that's exactly their margin of victory.
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September 22nd, 2016 at 5:45:33 PM permalink
4-1 followed by 1-4.

I didn't want to regress to the mean THAT fast!

I won't have to worry about it this week, though. Barring catastrophe, I see four lines that I really like this week, so my best possible result is probably to repeat 1-4. I'll win on the pick I don't like as much.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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September 22nd, 2016 at 7:51:03 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

4-1 followed by 1-4.

I didn't want to regress to the mean THAT fast!

I won't have to worry about it this week, though. Barring catastrophe, I see four lines that I really like this week, so my best possible result is probably to repeat 1-4. I'll win on the pick I don't like as much.



Hehe... I had that feeling when I picked the Seahawks to cover last week. "Confidence" is the iceberg to my Titanic picks.

Thanks again for hosting this Mission, and your willingness to endure last minute changes.
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