Hunterhill
Hunterhill
  • Threads: 53
  • Posts: 2145
Joined: Aug 1, 2011
Thanked by
Mission146
October 30th, 2022 at 6:44:07 AM permalink
On some games like buffalo Diamond for example the top jackpot is fixed at $10,000 in some casinos and in others it’s a progressive.
On the machines where it’s fixed is the payback on the base game slightly higher since it’s not seeding the progressive?
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
AlanMendelson
AlanMendelson
  • Threads: 167
  • Posts: 5937
Joined: Oct 5, 2011
Thanked by
Mission146
October 30th, 2022 at 6:51:20 AM permalink
You're not including the progressive in the payback?
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
Thanked by
Mission146
October 30th, 2022 at 7:25:12 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

You're not including the progressive in the payback?
link to original post



Of course he is.

That's not what he's asking.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
Sulfur5989
Sulfur5989
  • Threads: 5
  • Posts: 59
Joined: Sep 3, 2022
Thanked by
Mission146
November 2nd, 2022 at 5:23:28 AM permalink
In Buffalo diamond the 10k jackpot is independent from the 3 other progressives jackpot. Also, you can get a better hit with the 4x at the top bet if you have a lot of free games and you get nice line hits. Never seen a buffalo diamond without the 10k
Hunterhill
Hunterhill
  • Threads: 53
  • Posts: 2145
Joined: Aug 1, 2011
Thanked by
Mission146
November 2nd, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM permalink
I realize that it’s independent and in some casinos it’s not fixed at 10k but it’s progressive.
So when it’s progressive some money on every spin has to go to increase that.
So my question was in games where it’s a fixed amount ie10k does the base game return better than in the versions where it’s progressive?
I’m using buffalo Diamond as an example but this applies to many other games as well.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
Sulfur5989
Sulfur5989
  • Threads: 5
  • Posts: 59
Joined: Sep 3, 2022
Thanked by
Mission146
November 2nd, 2022 at 9:39:57 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I realize that it’s independent and in some casinos it’s not fixed at 10k but it’s progressive.
So when it’s progressive some money on every spin has to go to increase that.
So my question was in games where it’s a fixed amount ie10k does the base game return better than in the versions where it’s progressive?
I’m using buffalo Diamond as an example but this applies to many other games as well.
link to original post



ah ok I misunderstood the first time. So another example could be Wheel of fortune 4D where in some places if you bet 3-5 credit you are ellgible for 10k but some other places its a progressive
Mental
Mental 
  • Threads: 13
  • Posts: 1240
Joined: Dec 10, 2018
Thanked by
Mission146
November 6th, 2022 at 10:14:26 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

On some games like buffalo Diamond for example the top jackpot is fixed at $10,000 in some casinos and in others it’s a progressive.
On the machines where it’s fixed is the payback on the base game slightly higher since it’s not seeding the progressive?
link to original post

The cost of seeding the jackpot is solely a function of the frequency of hitting the jackpot. The game designer can choose this frequency to be whatever they like regardless of whether it is a must-hit or a hit-whenever jackpot. It isn't clearer that one type would hit faster than the other. It is simply a design choice.

The algorithm for awarding the jackpot is much different in the two types of jackpots, and it would be quite normal for the game designer change something else to compensate for the any differences in seeding cost.
This forum is more enjoyable after I learned how to use the 'Block this user' button.
jchristopher510
jchristopher510
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 6
Joined: Jul 4, 2011
Thanked by
Mission146
January 15th, 2023 at 6:12:39 AM permalink
I think I found what you were asking, on they go over this with Quick Hits. Basically the casinos control making the jackpots fixed in order to bring down the payback percentage. The game designers develop these games to be progressive and are against casinos making the jackpot fixed.
Jason Christopher
Roberto21
Roberto21
  • Threads: 8
  • Posts: 70
Joined: Feb 3, 2022
Thanked by
Mission146
January 16th, 2023 at 5:04:08 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

On some games like buffalo Diamond for example the top jackpot is fixed at $10,000 in some casinos and in others it’s a progressive.
On the machines where it’s fixed is the payback on the base game slightly higher since it’s not seeding the progressive?
link to original post



Great question. Would like to know the answer to this too!
Mission146
Mission146
  • Threads: 142
  • Posts: 16832
Joined: May 15, 2012
January 17th, 2023 at 7:08:13 AM permalink
Quote: jchristopher510

I think I found what you were asking, on they go over this with Quick Hits. Basically the casinos control making the jackpots fixed in order to bring down the payback percentage. The game designers develop these games to be progressive and are against casinos making the jackpot fixed.
link to original post



Define, 'Against.' They're not so against it that they refuse to make it an available setting on the machine.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
DRich
DRich
  • Threads: 86
  • Posts: 11596
Joined: Jul 6, 2012
Thanked by
Mission146
January 17th, 2023 at 8:47:10 AM permalink
Quote: Roberto21

Quote: Hunterhill

On some games like buffalo Diamond for example the top jackpot is fixed at $10,000 in some casinos and in others it’s a progressive.
On the machines where it’s fixed is the payback on the base game slightly higher since it’s not seeding the progressive?
link to original post



Great question. Would like to know the answer to this too!
link to original post



In general the answer would be no.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
jchristopher510
jchristopher510
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 6
Joined: Jul 4, 2011
Thanked by
Mission146
January 17th, 2023 at 6:04:04 PM permalink
True but the nice thing is it's an easy way to see if a casino has terrible payback percentages.
Jason Christopher
  • Jump to: