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October 30th, 2022 at 6:44:07 AM permalink
On some games like buffalo Diamond for example the top jackpot is fixed at $10,000 in some casinos and in others itís a progressive.
On the machines where itís fixed is the payback on the base game slightly higher since itís not seeding the progressive?
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October 30th, 2022 at 6:51:20 AM permalink
You're not including the progressive in the payback?
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October 30th, 2022 at 7:25:12 AM permalink
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You're not including the progressive in the payback?
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Of course he is.

That's not what he's asking.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 5:23:28 AM permalink
In Buffalo diamond the 10k jackpot is independent from the 3 other progressives jackpot. Also, you can get a better hit with the 4x at the top bet if you have a lot of free games and you get nice line hits. Never seen a buffalo diamond without the 10k
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November 2nd, 2022 at 9:32:31 AM permalink
I realize that itís independent and in some casinos itís not fixed at 10k but itís progressive.
So when itís progressive some money on every spin has to go to increase that.
So my question was in games where itís a fixed amount ie10k does the base game return better than in the versions where itís progressive?
Iím using buffalo Diamond as an example but this applies to many other games as well.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 9:39:57 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I realize that itís independent and in some casinos itís not fixed at 10k but itís progressive.
So when itís progressive some money on every spin has to go to increase that.
So my question was in games where itís a fixed amount ie10k does the base game return better than in the versions where itís progressive?
Iím using buffalo Diamond as an example but this applies to many other games as well.
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ah ok I misunderstood the first time. So another example could be Wheel of fortune 4D where in some places if you bet 3-5 credit you are ellgible for 10k but some other places its a progressive
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November 6th, 2022 at 10:14:26 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

On some games like buffalo Diamond for example the top jackpot is fixed at $10,000 in some casinos and in others itís a progressive.
On the machines where itís fixed is the payback on the base game slightly higher since itís not seeding the progressive?
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The cost of seeding the jackpot is solely a function of the frequency of hitting the jackpot. The game designer can choose this frequency to be whatever they like regardless of whether it is a must-hit or a hit-whenever jackpot. It isn't clearer that one type would hit faster than the other. It is simply a design choice.

The algorithm for awarding the jackpot is much different in the two types of jackpots, and it would be quite normal for the game designer change something else to compensate for the any differences in seeding cost.
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January 15th, 2023 at 6:12:39 AM permalink
I think I found what you were asking, on they go over this with Quick Hits. Basically the casinos control making the jackpots fixed in order to bring down the payback percentage. The game designers develop these games to be progressive and are against casinos making the jackpot fixed.
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January 16th, 2023 at 5:04:08 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

On some games like buffalo Diamond for example the top jackpot is fixed at $10,000 in some casinos and in others itís a progressive.
On the machines where itís fixed is the payback on the base game slightly higher since itís not seeding the progressive?
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Great question. Would like to know the answer to this too!
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January 17th, 2023 at 7:08:13 AM permalink
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I think I found what you were asking, on they go over this with Quick Hits. Basically the casinos control making the jackpots fixed in order to bring down the payback percentage. The game designers develop these games to be progressive and are against casinos making the jackpot fixed.
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Define, 'Against.' They're not so against it that they refuse to make it an available setting on the machine.
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January 17th, 2023 at 8:47:10 AM permalink
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Quote: Hunterhill

On some games like buffalo Diamond for example the top jackpot is fixed at $10,000 in some casinos and in others itís a progressive.
On the machines where itís fixed is the payback on the base game slightly higher since itís not seeding the progressive?
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Great question. Would like to know the answer to this too!
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In general the answer would be no.
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January 17th, 2023 at 6:04:04 PM permalink
True but the nice thing is it's an easy way to see if a casino has terrible payback percentages.
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