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Wizard
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October 14th, 2019 at 1:12:08 PM permalink


In my gradual series on vulteralbe slots, my next one is looking like Harley Davidson.

For those who don't know what "vulterable" means, it is kind of like a progressive, where the return of a game will depend on factors left by the previous player. In the industry, they are called "variable state" games. Some players, who know about such games, are known to only play when such games are in a high enough state for the expected return to be over 100%. Thus, they are compared to vultures, looking for a nice peace of meat left by the previous player.

For those who did know about the play, it has been known for a while so I would say it isn't any big secret.

In the case of Harley Davidson, there are symbols on reel 5 that if the game stops on them anywhere on the screen, it feeds a free game into one of the bonus meters. When the player gets two scatters and such a symbol, then he gets to play the free spin bonus with as many free spins as in the meter at the table. If the previous player left enough free spins in the meters, it is a good time to swoop in and play.

As an example, in the picture at the top, there are 23 free spins in the Mini meter, 30 in the Maxi meter, and 97 in the Mega meter.

So, "When is it good enough to play?," you may ask. (Do I put the comma inside or outside the parenthesis?)

This has previously been analyzed by a source who shall remain nameless and his work shared with me with permission to write about.

After a lot of math, the return of the game is estimated to be 80.18% + 0.39% * Mini + 0.25% * Maxi + 0.09% * Mega.

In the case of the photo above, the return would be 0.8018 + 0.0039 * 23 + 0.0025 * 30 + 0.0009 * 97 = 105.38%. So, that would definitely be playable.

The question for the poll is what are your thoughts on Harley Davidson?
Last edited by: Wizard on Oct 29, 2019
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October 14th, 2019 at 1:30:47 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard


So, "When is it good enough to play?," you may ask. (Do I put the comma inside or outside the parenthesis?)



Don't use a comma at all—the question mark does the punctuation work.

I'll look for these slots on my next casino visit!
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October 14th, 2019 at 1:54:46 PM permalink
Quote: smoothgrh

Don't use a comma at all—the question mark does the punctuation work.



Correct. Also note not to use consecutive capitalized words. Best to just remove the "So," and start with the question.
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October 14th, 2019 at 4:17:53 PM permalink
Wizard" So, that would definitely be playable."

Is this based on a parsheet?

If not, I'm skeptical.
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October 14th, 2019 at 4:28:02 PM permalink
I'm glad the wiz waited a while to post this, though I'd obviously prefer he never did.

I echo axles warning to err on the side of caution with this machine. It can be really nasty.
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October 14th, 2019 at 4:29:22 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If not, I'm skeptical.



You have the right to be. I'm not at liberty to say much about the math behind it.

I'm sure there are already Harley vultures on the forum. I'd be interested to hear if my formula sounds reasonable at least. Rigondeaux?
Last edited by: Wizard on Oct 29, 2019
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October 14th, 2019 at 4:37:05 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

You have the right to be. I'm not at liberty to say much about the math behind it.



You do not say how many credits needed to max the free-plays. At a glance here this looks like a machine going to eat $3 or more per spin.
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October 14th, 2019 at 4:48:23 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

You do not say how many credits needed to max the free-plays. At a glance here this looks like a machine going to eat $3 or more per spin.



it varies I believe there are 5 betting levels and each level has it's own set of spins so you have to bet the level that has the spins. I have been doing this a while
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October 14th, 2019 at 6:56:45 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

, e return would be 0.8018 + 0.0038 * 23 + 0.0025 * 30 + 0.0010 * 97 = 105.38%....



What's wrong with my math... 0.8018+0.0874+0.075+0.097= 1.0612?
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October 14th, 2019 at 7:29:32 PM permalink
Is that base the same on all cabinets or are there different settings available?

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