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Quote: AlanMendelsonTiger Wu is correct. The audience wants to see winners especially big winners.
Of course they do, it's "the way of the world."
I watch a lot of fishing videos, and gee, there's always some interesting catches; who would want to watch ten or twenty minutes of a guy not catching anything?
Quote: IndyJeffreyQuote: McSweeneyNow compare that to his YouTube views: approximately 10 million views per month...
Not sure where you get that number. I had never heard of NG Slots, so I went looking this morning. It appears, recently, he is getting 150,000 views a day (using the eyeball method) x 30 days/month = ~4,500,000 / month. Which, I suppose is still a lot of views.
Not sure I get it though. I watched one video, kinda boring, and not informational at all.
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You must keep in mind that Youtube channels often have large libraries of old videos, and old videos all get views each day in addition to brand new ones that are posted. So channels get more views than you think. Social Blade is a great website to see total amount of views of channels:
https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/ngslot
As others have mentioned, not every view is created equal. it can be difficult to infer income based off views, because it differs based on many factors:
-Length of video
-Amount of ads put into videos
-Amount of people clicking on the ads
-Do people actually watch the whole video or do they click away after a couple minutes
-Genre of video (Tech review videos are known to have huge value that advertisers will pay top dollar for because they are able to sell people expensive phones and computer equipment. I don't know how valuable slot videos are to advertisers)
I also agree that NG Slot might be doing other gambling on the side that's not on video, which means he still might be losing money in the end; it is true that he sometimes posts gigantic roulette wheel wins and blackjack wins, but where are the losses?
There is one high limit player (won't mention his name) who frequently posts winning hands and says IN THE DESCRIPTION that this win came during a session when he was not creating a video.
A busman's holiday? I think they all do it.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: TDVegas
Super majority of them are not fully transparent. They don’t upload all their play. I guess losing 7 of 10 slot sessions isn’t a way to court viewership. NG was one who claimed he uploaded all his action…but he has diverged from that. Now he shows video of his big roulette or blackjack wins…but never mentions losses. He’s also uploading slot “snippets” (bonus) videos. My guess is they have discovered that hand pays and winning sessions achieve better viewership. Better viewership = more money, more chat donations.
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It's a business. They don't need to be transparent. They don't owe it to you or to anyone to be transparent and show all their losses, UNLESS they are making specific claims that they never lose or something (which I know some Youtubers do). A business adapting their business model to something more profitable is not something that should really be criticized, unless, as I said, they are doing something nefarious or unethical. But if they only show wins, who cares? That's what people want, that's what makes them money, supply and demand, more power to them.
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I want transparency and full content. To each his own. Of course they aren’t going to listen to me…but he DOES get a lot of commentary that people appreciate him showing wins and losses. He often acknowledges that. Me? I want all content.
Quote: billryanHow hard would it be for someone to use bluescreen and CGI to make these?
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This dude makes fake clickbait videos of slot games with outrageous bets and pretends they are real (comments are disabled on his videos for obvious reasons):
Quote: billryanHow hard would it be for someone to use bluescreen and CGI to make these?
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What do you need blue screen and CGI for? You can set up a blackjack layout on your kitchen table, frame the shot properly, play some sound effects in the background and you have a YouTube video.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: billryanHow hard would it be for someone to use bluescreen and CGI to make these?
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What do you need blue screen and CGI for? You can set up a blackjack layout on your kitchen table, frame the shot properly, play some sound effects in the background and you have a YouTube video.
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And get ten million views a month?
Quote: McSweeneyThis dude makes fake clickbait videos of slot games with outrageous bets and pretends they are real (comments are disabled on his videos for obvious reasons):
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I thought he was pretty clear that:
- he owns a slot machine
- the slot machine not in a casino
- he is not paying money to play
- he is not getting paid money for wins
- the machine is configured very differently than you are likely to find in a casino
I do think he makes the videos by pointing a camera at a slot machine and pressing the buttons.
Quote: McSweeneyQuote: billryanHow hard would it be for someone to use bluescreen and CGI to make these?
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This dude makes fake clickbait videos of slot games with outrageous bets and pretends they are real (comments are disabled on his videos for obvious reasons):
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That is a riot!
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I want transparency and full content. To each his own. Of course they aren’t going to listen to me…but he DOES get a lot of commentary that people appreciate him showing wins and losses. He often acknowledges that. Me? I want all content.
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There are a ton of slot streamers on Twitch that play live (but in online casinos) so you get to see full content - wins, losses, and long stretches of nothing happening. Do you ever watch any of those?
Quote: billryanQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: billryanHow hard would it be for someone to use bluescreen and CGI to make these?
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What do you need blue screen and CGI for? You can set up a blackjack layout on your kitchen table, frame the shot properly, play some sound effects in the background and you have a YouTube video.
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And get ten million views a month?
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Why not get ten million views a month?
Technology doesn't create interest. It's content that creates interest.
If the content is interesting it doesn't matter how it was created.
Quote: DieterQuote: McSweeneyThis dude makes fake clickbait videos of slot games with outrageous bets and pretends they are real (comments are disabled on his videos for obvious reasons):
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I thought he was pretty clear that:
- he owns a slot machine
- the slot machine not in a casino
- he is not paying money to play
- he is not getting paid money for wins
- the machine is configured very differently than you are likely to find in a casino
I do think he makes the videos by pointing a camera at a slot machine and pressing the buttons.
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Burying these facts deep in the video descriptions isn't what I would call "clear". This guy isn't naive; he knows those hundreds of thousands of views he's getting are thanks to his video titles and thumbnails. And if he's so transparent about the fact he's not playing with real money in his house, tell me this: WHY IS HE PUMPING IN FAKE CASINO BACKGROUND NOISE IN HIS VIDEOS?
Quote: AlanMendelsonTechnology doesn't create interest. It's content that creates interest. If the content is interesting it doesn't matter how it was created.
Define "interesting."
This is THE MOST VIEWED YOUTUBE VIDEO IN HISTORY: almost 10 1/2 BILLION views...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqZsoesa55w
Quote: McSweeneyQuote: DieterQuote: McSweeneyThis dude makes fake clickbait videos of slot games with outrageous bets and pretends they are real (comments are disabled on his videos for obvious reasons):
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I thought he was pretty clear that:
- he owns a slot machine
- the slot machine not in a casino
- he is not paying money to play
- he is not getting paid money for wins
- the machine is configured very differently than you are likely to find in a casino
I do think he makes the videos by pointing a camera at a slot machine and pressing the buttons.
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Burying these facts deep in the video descriptions isn't what I would call "clear". This guy isn't naive; he knows those hundreds of thousands of views he's getting are thanks to his video titles and thumbnails. And if he's so transparent about the fact he's not playing with real money in his house, tell me this: WHY IS HE PUMPING IN FAKE CASINO BACKGROUND NOISE IN HIS VIDEOS?
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I think he is more open about what he is doing than the videos of people popping popcorn with their cellphones.
Why add background sounds? To enhance the entertainment value of the video product, surely.
I don't recall this channel dispensing myths like max volume increases the likelihood of a jackpot or max bet after 2 pushes. That should be commended.
(I recognize he is selling lucky charm chips in his merch store. I expect they only work when playing $500 denomination games.)
Quote: TigerWuQuote: TDVegas
I want transparency and full content. To each his own. Of course they aren’t going to listen to me…but he DOES get a lot of commentary that people appreciate him showing wins and losses. He often acknowledges that. Me? I want all content.
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There are a ton of slot streamers on Twitch that play live (but in online casinos) so you get to see full content - wins, losses, and long stretches of nothing happening. Do you ever watch any of those?
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No. I watched some Slot Lady and then was watching NG slots…mainly because I felt he was transparent. I’ve kind of stop watching both. I watch NG every so often. Recently, he’s gotten extremely annoying with his constant complaining “there’s something wrong with these slots”….then bam, he hits a $6,000 bonus and says nothing. Too much moaning and groaning about how he “is supposed to hit something after pouring so much money in”.
Dude either doesn’t understand how slot machines work or he just likes to b*tch and moan about losing and try and rationalize it by saying he’s being scammed. He will also remove his player card after losing a few grand thinking they know he’s playing and the machine is turned off on him. Cue eye roll.
Quote: TDVegasRecently, he’s gotten extremely annoying with his constant complaining “there’s something wrong with these slots”….then bam, he hits a $6,000 bonus and says nothing. Too much moaning and groaning about how he “is supposed to hit something after pouring so much money in”.
Dude either doesn’t understand how slot machines work or he just likes to b*tch and moan about losing and try and rationalize it by saying he’s being scammed. He will also remove his player card after losing a few grand thinking they know he’s playing and the machine is turned off on him. Cue eye roll.
Hehe. I think he’s just talking to other slot players. Every now and then I’ll be sitting with Mrs and she spins a couple bars and a red 7. And she turns to me and says, “You know, you’d think that would be worth SOMETHING.” Or I’ll be playing a machine that’s on a death march to $0.00, and I’ll turn to her and say, “I think mine is broken or something.” And she says, pointing, “The ATM is over there.”
I like watching YouTube slot videos, but I like watching specifically the high dollar Wheel of Fortune machines. Every trip I’ll run a couple hundred through the $100 R/W/B 7s just for fun, I hit once for $3500 but overall that makes me about even, over maybe 10 years of that. But I know to much about slots to sit down in front of a $100 WoF with a big bag of money.
Quote: MoscaQuote: TDVegasRecently, he’s gotten extremely annoying with his constant complaining “there’s something wrong with these slots”….then bam, he hits a $6,000 bonus and says nothing. Too much moaning and groaning about how he “is supposed to hit something after pouring so much money in”.
Dude either doesn’t understand how slot machines work or he just likes to b*tch and moan about losing and try and rationalize it by saying he’s being scammed. He will also remove his player card after losing a few grand thinking they know he’s playing and the machine is turned off on him. Cue eye roll.
Hehe. I think he’s just talking to other slot players. Every now and then I’ll be sitting with Mrs and she spins a couple bars and a red 7. And she turns to me and says, “You know, you’d think that would be worth SOMETHING.” Or I’ll be playing a machine that’s on a death march to $0.00, and I’ll turn to her and say, “I think mine is broken or something.” And she says, pointing, “The ATM is over there.”
I like watching YouTube slot videos, but I like watching specifically the high dollar Wheel of Fortune machines. Every trip I’ll run a couple hundred through the $100 R/W/B 7s just for fun, I hit once for $3500 but overall that makes me about even, over maybe 10 years of that. But I know to much about slots to sit down in front of a $100 WoF with a big bag of money.
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I get that. I understand that. Slots can seem like they are turned off. It’s an expensive habit. He’s played enough to know he WILL lose a massive amount of money playing twice daily high limit. He also knows he’s had 20 minute sessions of 5 bonuses and winning $14,000. It’s slots. Maybe about a month ago he was adamant about something being wrong…very next spin gets a massive hand pay. You would think he would have learned.
Quote: MoscaWe have friends who are pretty obviously heading for a fall, there’s not a lot we can say. It’s all on slots. The only reason they want to win is so they can keep playing. They’re nice people. I could say more, but you guys have all been around people like that. It’s not new.
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Honestly, the worst part of AP'ing is seeing all the very sad destinies on the casino floor. I'm pretty sure I've seen it all.
Probably the realization that surprised me the most after starting to go to the local casinos multiple times a week, was how many regulars there are.
In my mind, Casinos had always been a "vacation or special occasion amusement" that people go to infrequently, with just a few habitual gambling regulars.
Instead, what I found is that it's really the other way around. Most of the people I see again and again and again. It boggles my mind. I'm sure a lot of them has the finances to do this and it's all good, but the amount of money these people pour in is mindboggling. And then of course there are all those who definitely can't afford but still somehow manage to go every day. That just makes me sad.
I have also told him many times via video premiere chat and his comments section to stop the constant switching around with the denominations on multi denom machines and to always play on the highest denomination (assuming he can make the same value bet on two different denoms). This is probably costing him literally thousands of dollars per session if he insists on playing $50.00 bet on 50 cent denom instead of $50.00 bet on $5.00 denom. Ignored. He sometimes says, "Guys, slots are 100% luck, if someone tries to sell you slot tips, it's a scam". I don't give him the whole advantage play spiel because I don't exactly want that getting out to a wide YouTube audience but he could at least do the bare minimum of playing on the highest denom setting to reduce his losses.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI was under the impression that high denomination slots have a higher return??
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Generally sure, but someone playing 90-93% at $5-$50/spin is still losing far more than 86-90% at $1/spin.
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I have also told him many times via video premiere chat and his comments section to stop the constant switching around with the denominations on multi denom machines and to always play on the highest denomination (assuming he can make the same value bet on two different denoms). This is probably costing him literally thousands of dollars per session if he insists on playing $50.00 bet on 50 cent denom instead of $50.00 bet on $5.00 denom. Ignored.
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I am not aware of a rule that slot machines must change the RTP at different denominations.
I can think of any number of casinos that will happily allow people to play an 85% game for pennies, nickels, quarters, or $20's.
It is a tradition that higher denominations have higher returns, but I don't think players should rely on that tradition.
Quote: MukkeIn my mind, Casinos had always been a "vacation or special occasion amusement" that people go to infrequently, with just a few habitual gambling regulars.
Instead, what I found is that it's really the other way around. Most of the people I see again and again and again. It boggles my mind. I'm sure a lot of them has the finances to do this and it's all good, but the amount of money these people pour in is mindboggling. And then of course there are all those who definitely can't afford but still somehow manage to go every day. That just makes me sad.
Yeah, right? We go to AC once every few months, and haven’t been to Vegas in probably 5-6 years because Mrs Mosca can’t travel that well anymore. So we get to AC, sit at a table, and some other guy comes up and the pit boss says, “Hey Jimmy, how you doin’ today!” I’m at a 3 Card table, and the guy next to me is betting blacks, and greens on the 6 Card, and he is just KILLING the 6 Card bet, plus he’s drawing straights and flushes and straight flushes all over. And he is WASTED. And he goes to the bathroom, and I say, “Good, now I’m going to get his cards,” and the dealer says, “You don’t want his cards. For every day like this, he has a dozen where he loses everything and leaves.”
For us, it’s a couple days away from our routine. We even tried adding an extra night, and it was too much; two nights with threeish days of playing is plenty. It’s a fun vacation where you might come home with more than you arrived with. And if you didn’t, well, at least you had some fun.
Quote: DieterQuote: McSweeney
I have also told him many times via video premiere chat and his comments section to stop the constant switching around with the denominations on multi denom machines and to always play on the highest denomination (assuming he can make the same value bet on two different denoms). This is probably costing him literally thousands of dollars per session if he insists on playing $50.00 bet on 50 cent denom instead of $50.00 bet on $5.00 denom. Ignored.
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I am not aware of a rule that slot machines must change the RTP at different denominations.
I can think of any number of casinos that will happily allow people to play an 85% game for pennies, nickels, quarters, or $20's.
It is a tradition that higher denominations have higher returns, but I don't think players should rely on that tradition.
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You are right. There is no RULE that a casino MUST lower the house edge for higher denominations; some program their machines to do this, some don't. Playing at the highest denom setting MIGHT help you. But at the very least, it can't hurt. So why wouldn't you?
See this article:
https://www.knowyourslots.com/payback-reporting-vs-multi-denomination-games/
Quote: McSweeneyQuote: DieterQuote: McSweeney
I have also told him many times via video premiere chat and his comments section to stop the constant switching around with the denominations on multi denom machines and to always play on the highest denomination (assuming he can make the same value bet on two different denoms). This is probably costing him literally thousands of dollars per session if he insists on playing $50.00 bet on 50 cent denom instead of $50.00 bet on $5.00 denom. Ignored.
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I am not aware of a rule that slot machines must change the RTP at different denominations.
I can think of any number of casinos that will happily allow people to play an 85% game for pennies, nickels, quarters, or $20's.
It is a tradition that higher denominations have higher returns, but I don't think players should rely on that tradition.
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You are right. There is no RULE that a casino MUST lower the house edge for higher denominations; some program their machines to do this, some don't. Playing at the highest denom setting MIGHT help you. But at the very least, it can't hurt. So why wouldn't you?
See this article:
https://www.knowyourslots.com/payback-reporting-vs-multi-denomination-games/
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It probably doesn't hurt, and it might help.
It might NOT help, too - sometimes switching the denomination changes the number of lines in play, which likely changes the variance (volatility). I know I've seen game themes that offer a 10 line at $1, or a 40 line at $0.01.
I don't know which machines NG plays; he's not in my usual list of must-see slot video celebrities.
Quote: MukkeQuote: MoscaWe have friends who are pretty obviously heading for a fall, there’s not a lot we can say. It’s all on slots. The only reason they want to win is so they can keep playing. They’re nice people. I could say more, but you guys have all been around people like that. It’s not new.
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Honestly, the worst part of AP'ing is seeing all the very sad destinies on the casino floor. I'm pretty sure I've seen it all.
Probably the realization that surprised me the most after starting to go to the local casinos multiple times a week, was how many regulars there are.
In my mind, Casinos had always been a "vacation or special occasion amusement" that people go to infrequently, with just a few habitual gambling regulars.
Instead, what I found is that it's really the other way around. Most of the people I see again and again and again. It boggles my mind. I'm sure a lot of them has the finances to do this and it's all good, but the amount of money these people pour in is mindboggling. And then of course there are all those who definitely can't afford but still somehow manage to go every day. That just makes me sad.
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No question. I’m in Las Vegas and I’m amazed how many locals make it a way of life. Slots is really supposed to be a treat, a vacation…not something you are doing everyday. I’m extremely low limit. These guys won’t get my money. The amount of regulars I see in Las Vegas local casinos shoving in hundred after hundred after hundred on a semi daily basis is mind boggling. I’m sure many can afford it. Likely also many cannot. My question is how many locals are “under living” because they are making huge donations of their yearly income to the Fertittas and Boyd’s.
If you are missing teeth, have your bumper tied with rope or don’t know what your wife is doing…you’re spending too much money and time in the casino.
Vegas probably would have been better off just having resort casinos in two corridors. Strip and downtown. Frank Fertitta saw a “gap”…locals had no where to play. He filled that gap and filled his pocket very fast.
I’ve often said, a slot habit is more expensive than a hooker, strip or drug habit.
Quote: McSweeneyYou are right. There is no RULE that a casino MUST lower the house edge for higher denominations; some program their machines to do this, some don't. Playing at the highest denom setting MIGHT help you. But at the very least, it can't hurt. So why wouldn't you?
I have found there to be one exception, at least in Nevada: Megabucks machines tend to have a lower overall RTP that most other dollar slots.
Quote: McSweeneyQuote: DieterQuote: McSweeney
I have also told him many times via video premiere chat and his comments section to stop the constant switching around with the denominations on multi denom machines and to always play on the highest denomination (assuming he can make the same value bet on two different denoms). This is probably costing him literally thousands of dollars per session if he insists on playing $50.00 bet on 50 cent denom instead of $50.00 bet on $5.00 denom. Ignored.
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I am not aware of a rule that slot machines must change the RTP at different denominations.
I can think of any number of casinos that will happily allow people to play an 85% game for pennies, nickels, quarters, or $20's.
It is a tradition that higher denominations have higher returns, but I don't think players should rely on that tradition.
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You are right. There is no RULE that a casino MUST lower the house edge for higher denominations; some program their machines to do this, some don't. Playing at the highest denom setting MIGHT help you. But at the very least, it can't hurt. So why wouldn't you?
See this article:
https://www.knowyourslots.com/payback-reporting-vs-multi-denomination-games/
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Time is also a utility. Time played. $100 on a $5 machine at 90% return is technically better than $100 on a $1 machine at 85% return.
I’ve also seen $100 disappear in minutes on a $5 machine. A $1 machine, at worst, will give you more action.
Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: McSweeneyYou are right. There is no RULE that a casino MUST lower the house edge for higher denominations; some program their machines to do this, some don't. Playing at the highest denom setting MIGHT help you. But at the very least, it can't hurt. So why wouldn't you?
I have found there to be one exception, at least in Nevada: Megabucks machines tend to have a lower overall RTP that most other dollar slots.
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Right before the pandemic I took part in a focus group for IGT about Megabucks. The #1 complaint was the lack of winning spins.
I said, and everyone said, have some pays that add to the fun.
It's just no fun.
I played it twice. Just no fun. I've watched others, too. I've never seen anyone play longer than a couple of minutes.
In other words... don't bother ordering a drink.
Now that I am retired I gamble a bit more frequently, usually about twice a month.
The more I gamble the more I suspect I may someday develop a gambling problem; I don't believe I have one now, but my non-gambling wife blanches at times when I tell her how things went at the casino (usually a loss, but I win a fair amount as well).
So long as my lifetime loss number remains under $100K (it's at $67K now) I'll probably keep on keeping on.
I never have used an ATM and have never tapped a bank account to pay for gambling; over the years I set aside some cash regularly and that has stood me in good stead.
YMMV
Slot techs at the two tribal casinos I frequent tell me they're having to phase them out due to inability to get parts to maintain and repair them cost-effectively.
They are cannibalizing as they go along, but it looks like my favorite machine at Chinook Winds will still be removed from the high limit room very soon because of this, per the slot tech..
Quote: TDVegasQuote: MukkeQuote: MoscaWe have friends who are pretty obviously heading for a fall, there’s not a lot we can say. It’s all on slots. The only reason they want to win is so they can keep playing. They’re nice people. I could say more, but you guys have all been around people like that. It’s not new.
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Honestly, the worst part of AP'ing is seeing all the very sad destinies on the casino floor. I'm pretty sure I've seen it all.
Probably the realization that surprised me the most after starting to go to the local casinos multiple times a week, was how many regulars there are.
In my mind, Casinos had always been a "vacation or special occasion amusement" that people go to infrequently, with just a few habitual gambling regulars.
Instead, what I found is that it's really the other way around. Most of the people I see again and again and again. It boggles my mind. I'm sure a lot of them has the finances to do this and it's all good, but the amount of money these people pour in is mindboggling. And then of course there are all those who definitely can't afford but still somehow manage to go every day. That just makes me sad.
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No question. I’m in Las Vegas and I’m amazed how many locals make it a way of life. Slots is really supposed to be a treat, a vacation…not something you are doing everyday. I’m extremely low limit. These guys won’t get my money. The amount of regulars I see in Las Vegas local casinos shoving in hundred after hundred after hundred on a semi daily basis is mind boggling. I’m sure many can afford it. Likely also many cannot. My question is how many locals are “under living” because they are making huge donations of their yearly income to the Fertittas and Boyd’s.
If you are missing teeth, have your bumper tied with rope or don’t know what your wife is doing…you’re spending too much money and time in the casino.
Vegas probably would have been better off just having resort casinos in two corridors. Strip and downtown. Frank Fertitta saw a “gap”…locals had no where to play. He filled that gap and filled his pocket very fast.
I’ve often said, a slot habit is more expensive than a hooker, strip or drug habit.
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When I had to take one of those problem gaming classes as a casino employee they emphasized it’s a small percentage of gamblers that have gambling problems. What they never mention is the % of casino revenue that comes from the small percentage, or the fact that that more profitable groups is turning over every several years as they no longer have the means they did. The churn/turnover of gamblers with means gambling beyond them is what casino marketing offers are all about, finding that next group.
Top tier level of MGM and CET requirements basically tell you they’re looking for problem gamblers without outright saying it. Tier status is a chasing the carrot mugs game anyhow. When CET became more strict there was terminology in denial letters to the effect of “not showing a pattern of continually increasing play” and I believe MGM has a minimum loss threshold to qualify.
Quote: mcallister3200When I had to take one of those problem gaming classes as a casino employee they emphasized it’s a small percentage of gamblers that have gambling problems. What they never mention is the % of casino revenue that comes from the small percentage, or the fact that that more profitable groups is turning over every several years as they no longer have the means they did. The churn/turnover of gamblers with means gambling beyond them is what casino marketing offers are all about, finding that next group.
Top tier level of MGM and CET requirements basically tell you they’re looking for problem gamblers without outright saying it. Tier status is a chasing the carrot mugs game anyhow. When CET became more strict there was terminology in denial letters to the effect of “not showing a pattern of continually increasing play” and I believe MGM has a minimum loss threshold to qualify.
One of my favorite sayings is, “If they’re offering you a platinum card, you’re doing something wrong.” Thanks for the info.
As we were standing there waiting, talking in the piker line at 9:45am…there’s only one BIG difference we noted in these 2 separated tier “classes” or lines. The “Chairman” are losing a helluva lot more money to these guys than us. A quick laugh. We got our gifts earlier than 10am and said enjoy your day to each other.
The entire schtick of locals casinos is to get you in the door everyday. Gift Friday. Double points Thursday. Senior Wednesday. Slot tourney Tuesday…etc, etc.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall at a marketing meeting.
I used to go to Sunset Station maybe once per month. Seemingly saw the same guy after a couple visits. I remember initially saying to myself “what a coincidence”. Coincidence, my @ss. LOL. The guy was in there literally 24/7. Let me tell ya, there’s a LOT of them in Vegas.
My guess is there is an entire subset of Vegas locals drastically “under living” their income. True problem gamblers suffer but Imo, there’s also a LOT of, as I noted, under living going on…but it’s not really noted. Gambling is expensive.
Enjoy, have fun…just don’t follow Ernie Kovacs “nothing in moderation” unless you are sitting on a pile.;-)
Quote: TDVegasThe “Chairman” are losing a helluva lot more money to these guys than us.
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I use a version of that line all the time.
When someone asks why the "Chairman/President" line moves faster at the cage, I usually say "because we lose more money than you."
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When I had to take one of those problem gaming classes as a casino employee they emphasized it’s a small percentage of gamblers that have gambling problems. What they never mention is the % of casino revenue that comes from the small percentage, or the fact that that more profitable groups is turning over every several years as they no longer have the means they did. The churn/turnover of gamblers with means gambling beyond them is what casino marketing offers are all about, finding that next group.
Top tier level of MGM and CET requirements basically tell you they’re looking for problem gamblers without outright saying it. Tier status is a chasing the carrot mugs game anyhow. When CET became more strict there was terminology in denial letters to the effect of “not showing a pattern of continually increasing play” and I believe MGM has a minimum loss threshold to qualify.
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Do you know how closely casinos track players to see exactly how much money they are down ... or UP? I'm way up after advantage playing slots for almost a full year now and I'm actually worried about getting "back roomed" and banned, thus killing the golden goose. I wonder if I should give up a couple grand a year by not ever using a player's card so they can't track my winnings. Am I just being paranoid and do casinos not track players that closely? My casino is small also so it wouldn't be that difficult to single out an unusual player who keeps winning after a large sample size of spins, which should be impossible if playing normally. Does that get flagged in their system?
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: TDVegasThe “Chairman” are losing a helluva lot more money to these guys than us.
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I use a version of that line all the time.
When someone asks why the "Chairman/President" line moves faster at the cage, I usually say "because we lose more money than you."
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Why would they want you doing anything but losing your money? I'd have an employee distributing prizes tableside or to your machines.
Never mess with The Sacred Flow of the Cards or with a mans ability to lose his money. The El Cortez will bring your meals right to your machines you can keep pissing away your money. I'm surprised others don't do this.
When someone asked me why I was a lowly platinum member, my reply was always I don't lose enough to "earn" diamond.
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Do you know how closely casinos track players to see exactly how much money they are down ... or UP?
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The times when I got a player report, their numbers for cash in, cash out, coin in, and coin out reasonably matched my own. We at least agreed on leading digits and the number of places.
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When I had to take one of those problem gaming classes as a casino employee they emphasized it’s a small percentage of gamblers that have gambling problems. What they never mention is the % of casino revenue that comes from the small percentage, or the fact that that more profitable groups is turning over every several years as they no longer have the means they did. The churn/turnover of gamblers with means gambling beyond them is what casino marketing offers are all about, finding that next group.
Top tier level of MGM and CET requirements basically tell you they’re looking for problem gamblers without outright saying it. Tier status is a chasing the carrot mugs game anyhow. When CET became more strict there was terminology in denial letters to the effect of “not showing a pattern of continually increasing play” and I believe MGM has a minimum loss threshold to qualify.
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Do you know how closely casinos track players to see exactly how much money they are down ... or UP? I'm way up after advantage playing slots for almost a full year now and I'm actually worried about getting "back roomed" and banned, thus killing the golden goose. I wonder if I should give up a couple grand a year by not ever using a player's card so they can't track my winnings. Am I just being paranoid and do casinos not track players that closely? My casino is small also so it wouldn't be that difficult to single out an unusual player who keeps winning after a large sample size of spins, which should be impossible if playing normally. Does that get flagged in their system?
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Not sure whether you mean “closely” as scrutinization, or exactness. As far as exactness, MGM has me tracked right down to the $.33 at the end.
Quote: billryanQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: TDVegasThe “Chairman” are losing a helluva lot more money to these guys than us.
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I use a version of that line all the time.
When someone asks why the "Chairman/President" line moves faster at the cage, I usually say "because we lose more money than you."
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Why would they want you doing anything but losing your money? I'd have an employee distributing prizes tableside or to your machines.
Never mess with The Sacred Flow of the Cards or with a mans ability to lose his money. The El Cortez will bring your meals right to your machines you can keep pissing away your money. I'm surprised others don't do this.
When someone asked me why I was a lowly platinum member, my reply was always I don't lose enough to "earn" diamond.
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I’ve heard “you’re not going to win”….”you’re not betting enough”.
LOL.
Amazing how some peoples minds work.
I’m guessing they mean I won’t win anything substantial. Even more LOL. “Ya think”?
What’s the flip side, ma’am?
