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Tiltpoul
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January 5th, 2012 at 1:34:08 PM permalink
Okay, as an avid poker player, I'm going to comment while I read this, so somebody may actually post the same thoughts while I read. Bear with me...

In "Poker rooms differ from the main casino floor"
1) You mention that you shouldn't lurk about and watch for a seat. You should also mention that a player in most cases CAN request a table change or seat change, should one open. However, they may be required to post an additional blind and take the entire table stake with them. This would encourage people who want to play with friends at a certain table.
2) Are there any poker rooms that still allow smoking at the table? I thought all of them have gone completely smoke free, and in some cases, tobacco-free.

In "Wait lists- game lists"
3) You mention that no-limit games have a maximum. While most LOW limit, NL games have maximums set, there are some games that don't have a set max, including higher limit, NL games, but even some 1-2 or 1-3. It's always best to ask what the maximum (or minimum) is, or look at the little placard next to the dealer.

In "Straddles"
4) I think it would be helpful to mention the Mississippi Straddle, as it appears to be more common in the South and on Omaha games (granted a novice probably isn't playing Omaha). House rules vary on straddles too, as some make it only double the big blind, while others require it to be in the UTG position, but can be any amount.


Okay, I think that's it. Of course, you could write a book on strategy stuff, but I think you covered most of the basics. Excellent write-up.
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DJTeddyBear
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January 5th, 2012 at 1:51:37 PM permalink
Points noted and will be incorporated into the final version.

Quote: Tiltpoul

Of course, you could write a book on strategy stuff...

Many people have. That's why I wanted to avoid all of that stuff, and focus on the minutia that doesn't apply to home games, but a poker room rookie needs to know. This isn't often covered in the poker books.


Quote: Tiltpoul

Excellent write-up.

Thanks.
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January 5th, 2012 at 3:46:38 PM permalink
Very Nice DJ!

The new player posting rule has always confused me and has generated a fair amount of questions around the poker table when the issue comes up. Let's assume that the room requires new players to post.

Then do you simply determine your player Seat Number (assuming the #1 Seat is directly to the left of the Dealer and #8 or #10 position is to the immediate right of the Dearler depending on the size of the table) and if the Button is at a higher Seat Number than yours, you will be required to post and if the Button is at a lower Seat Number, your are not required to post?

You also have an option to not post and simply not play until the Dealer Button passes in front of you and is on your immediate left and then play your first hand, correct?

I just want to make sure I have that correct and didn't know if my questions mean I am slow on the uptake on this issue or if that part of the intro needs some further explanation. I will leave that up to you.
DJTeddyBear
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January 5th, 2012 at 7:59:02 PM permalink
In a room where new players post, position relating to posting is just for a brand new table. If you take a seat that has not yet had an opportunity to be the blinds, then you usually can sit without posting. If the big blind passed already, you have to post or wait.

Regarding waiting for the button to pass, that's how it's worded in some parts of Robert's Rules. But in practice, I've always seen it that you either post, or wait until that seat would naturally be the big blind. Note that this is both for new players, and players that have a Missed Blind button. New players only post the Big blind. Missed Blinds post both the small & big, or waits and only posts the big. That, in my opinion is a dumb rule, but I didn't make them up.

Note that the big blind that is posted is a live bet. I.E. If there is no raise, those chips are the chips for the call. When a missed blind also posts a small blind, that part goes directly into the pot.

Does that clear things up?
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January 5th, 2012 at 11:19:02 PM permalink
It does with the exception of the definition of "If the big blind passed already...".

What I was trying to say is that the big blind has passed a particular seat for the round when the Big Blind for the hand at which a new player sits down is at a higher seat number than the seat the new player just occupied. Is that what is meant by the blind having "passed"? That is to say "the blind has passed for that round" when you consider a complete round of blinds to start at seat 1 and end at seat 10 and the new player has just occupied an empty seat with a lower seat number than the seat number at which the big blind is currently located, correct?
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January 6th, 2012 at 12:35:44 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear


Single / Multiple Chips

If you put out a single large chip, regardless of how large, or how many smaller chips you have, it's a call.

For example, if the bet is $2, and you have a ton of $1 chips, and you put out ANY larger chip, it's still a $2 call. On the other hand, if the bet is $16, and you put out $26 (one $25 plus one $1), and you're in a poker room that recognizes more than half a raise as valid, you'll be required to bump it up to a full raise. Sure you intended to get change because you may not have any $5 chips. Just say "Call" before putting out the $26, and you'll get the change intended.

On the other hand, if you're in a poker room that doesn't recognize a partial raise, and the bet is $16, if you put out $31, in ANY combination, it's still a call, and your bet will be reduced to $16. The exception is if $31 is all you have. You're All-In without declaring it.

Do not make change out of another player's bet. The dealer will make the change necessary, sometimes while action is going on, sometimes when that betting round is completed.



This part i don't understand.
So a single chip is a call, regardless of denomination? say the bet is 5 and i want to raise to 10, i cannot put down a 10 chip, i have to put down two 5 chips?
WizardofEngland
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January 6th, 2012 at 1:13:32 AM permalink
Quote: andysif

This part i don't understand.
So a single chip is a call, regardless of denomination? say the bet is 5 and i want to raise to 10, i cannot put down a 10 chip, i have to put down two 5 chips?



No, but you have to SAY raise before you put the chip in.

You could put a 5,000 chip, and say raise to 10, and the dealer would make change, but you'd be expected to use the smallest denomination to avoid have to make 4,990 change.

You have to be careful when using larger bets and chips, in the above example putting in a 10,000 chip and saying "raise to ten" could cause confusion, is it 10, or 10k? at the smaller limits it should be obvious you meant 10, but some people are just funny about the rules. What you say is GOLDEN, and what you do plays second fiddle. Whenever a floor makes a ruling, its nearly always on what someone said, rather than what they did.

HEY DJ, might want to mention a button straddle, I always seem to like doing it in a $1/2, not sure I play it 100% effectively, but its fun. I think the Riv and Harrahs made the button straddle $5 in a $1/2
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andysif
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January 6th, 2012 at 1:29:07 AM permalink
then why "For example, if the bet is $2, and you have a ton of $1 chips, and you put out ANY larger chip, it's still a $2 call."

if i don't say anything, and i have lots of $1 chips and i don't use them and put down a $10 chip, shouldn't it implies that i am raising to 10?

this is the part that i don't understand: what "unwritten rule" is there that would make my action "a $2 call."
WizardofEngland
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January 6th, 2012 at 3:36:48 AM permalink
Quote: andysif

then why "For example, if the bet is $2, and you have a ton of $1 chips, and you put out ANY larger chip, it's still a $2 call."

if i don't say anything, and i have lots of $1 chips and i don't use them and put down a $10 chip, shouldn't it implies that i am raising to 10?

this is the part that i don't understand: what "unwritten rule" is there that would make my action "a $2 call."



The short answer is, there isnt an unwritten rule. There is no situation where your single $10 chip will ever be a raise unless you say raise.

There are reasons for using a $10 to call, even when you have lots of $1 chips.

I like to have as many chips as possible, so getting 8 $1 chips in change has gained me 7 more chips than I had before the hand, having a larger stack looks more intimidating when you shove all-in, its not going to intimidate a pro, but your playing $1/2! A novice will see the shear number of chips and insta fold a marginal hand without considering that your 3 stacks of white chips are actually just 6 of his red chips.

There is also the situation where a novice (or someone like you, no offence intended) isnt paying attention, sees the $10 and assumes its a raise, and folds, where he might of called a $2 flat call, not the outcome you want if you have a big hand, but then you wouldnt make this move if you actually want a call.

Another answer is, people like to shuffle chips, usually out of boredom but sometimes to keep their hands busy to hide any sort of give away, shaking hands etc. The extra $1 chips provide suitable shuffley chips. While we are on the subject of chip shuffling, if someone shuffles chips constantly, then stops when they are in a hand, beware!! They nearly always have a monster. If they start again after the flop/turn/river they no longer like their hand. This is not gospel, but its correct enough of the time to assume its correct until your proven wrong.
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January 6th, 2012 at 4:21:30 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I thought of another section that I hadn't touched upon earlier. It should go near the top, just before the section on Sign Up.
Rake / Seat Rental


Good idea. Rake is something that should never be forgotten. Especially if the guide is for players transitioning from dining room poker to casino.
You could try and give some hints for when rake can be considered too high to play for gains. Since poker is luck-dependent, the advantage of a better-than-average player doesn't often go over the ten percent mark. Pre-flop rake is something that affects tighter games at moderate stakes.


Also, some more fixes:
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url=http://http://www.homepokertourney.com/roberts-rules-of-poker.htm/

- extra "http" and extra slash in the end.
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If a player protects his cards with his hands in such a manner that they are hidden from view, and the betting action has passed him as a result, his hand may be declared dead.


I had to re-read this to understand what is being referred to, as "cards...hidden" normally stands for card values rather than physical cards. It would better be rephrased to something like "protects his cards by hiding them from view completely" or "in a manner that can be mistaken for not having any cards at all".
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