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October 10th, 2022 at 1:10:52 AM permalink
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Reportedly, Brian was the only person in the control room. His work desk was in that room and it was his job to operate and oversee the video streaming system.

If the police choose to prosecute, they can arrest Brian for grand larceny (a felony) and threaten to put him in jail for a long time. They have video evidence of him palming chips and records that he immediately cashed them in. They can then propose a plea bargain arrangement in exchange for a signed statement of his role in the cheating activity. With that signed statement, they could move to charge Robbi and her boyfriend.

The critical difference between the Mike Postle case and this case is here the police have video evidence of Brian stealing $15,000 in chips.
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This is all specification.

Police do not file charges on speculation.

And even if she did cheat, I doubt there would be any repercussions other than a civil lawsuit.

But I’m still going with didn’t cheat, unless there’s some evidence other than twitter speculation.
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Did you watch that/stream I posted ? if so, seriously, you don't see the hand signals, verbal communication, and obvious collusion?

It kinda makes sense as to why the cheating wasn't as strong/apparent as the Mike P stuff was. And why she may have chosen some bad spots and it seemed sloppy.

Bryan seems to have had multiple responsibilities. He was in what seemed to be an area that had easy access to multiple people in a none private workstation. He could probably only relay information intermittently when it was "safe" to do so. She only had limited opportunities to get the money in.

Do people realize approximately 3 weeks prior he was noted as having moved his desk within view of the real-time hole card and he moved a cabinet that just happened to block the camera to his work area?
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Yea, I watched most of the video.

I don’t disagree that it’s all insanely suspicious, but the narrative being woven about Bryan stealing the $15k to get his cut back still feels highly speculative to me.

I don’t want to use the words “bimbo”, or “dutz”, but I still think there’s a chance this is mistaking malice for stupidity.
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There are lots of speculative things, but they are all adding up to the fact that there's a good chance of some cheating going on.
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October 10th, 2022 at 7:05:09 AM permalink
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You’re imputing to me arguments I’m not making. Show me what’s wrong in my posts in this thread.

You are still using outplay incorrectly. I’ll continue to point it out as you continue to do it.

ETA: Or try this if you want to research a poker concept: don’t focus on the whether you won or lost, focus on whether you made correct decisions.
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She won the hand. And I'll continue to point that out to you. Are you poker elitists so wrapped up with whether a play is "right" or "correct" that you keep missing that?

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Right I’ll take that as an admission of defeat by you that you can find nothing wrong with my posts.
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And I'll take your silence as retractions of your accusations against me. Shall we just drop the subject altogether?

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October 10th, 2022 at 7:15:36 AM permalink
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Judging by the fragile egos, butt-hurt feelings and inane accusations of cheating whenever someone beats someone else, I made the correct choice.
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Have you done any research on Garrett's past poker history. If you had, you might notice that he's lost much bigger pots and paid with a smile. This definitely isn't a case of soured grapes, fragile ego or butt-hurt feelings.
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Except in this case it is. He lost even though he was at an advantage and couldn't handle it, because his opponent didn't play the "right" way and make "good" bets.

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October 10th, 2022 at 7:25:20 AM permalink
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Several tears ago I decided, after some effort to the contrary, to abandon any attempts to become skilled enough to play regularly at licensed poker rooms near me.

Thinking she outplayed him with a stealer call-bluff might account for any failed attempts at becoming skilled.
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Or it could be I just don't like condescending people. whose egos can't handle losing when they "should" have won.

Thinking someone who wins from a disadvantage with making the "wrong" plays may account accusations of cheating, when it was just a bad beat.

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October 10th, 2022 at 12:36:43 PM permalink
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Several tears ago I decided, after some effort to the contrary, to abandon any attempts to become skilled enough to play regularly at licensed poker rooms near me.

Thinking she outplayed him with a stealer call-bluff might account for any failed attempts at becoming skilled.
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Or it could be I just don't like condescending people. whose egos can't handle losing when they "should" have won.

Thinking someone who wins from a disadvantage with making the "wrong" plays may account accusations of cheating, when it was just a bad beat.

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I guess, If that's been you're experience with poker. I think accusations of cheating is not as often as people might think.

"Egos can't handle losing when they "should" have won." (not getting accused of cheating)
Is normally a good thing when playing poker, it oftentimes leads to individuals going on tilt and making bad plays while targeting you. Being able to recognize that and exploit it is all part of being a good player.

If you are suggesting Garrett's ego couldn't handle losing when he should have won. You have totally read the situation wrong and that makes sense adding a piece of the puzzle as to why your poker skill is subpar.

Perhaps if it had been someone else like Phil Hellmuth, I might agree. (just an example, I think he puts on an act sometimes)
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October 10th, 2022 at 12:54:43 PM permalink
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Several tears ago I decided, after some effort to the contrary, to abandon any attempts to become skilled enough to play regularly at licensed poker rooms near me.

Thinking she outplayed him with a stealer call-bluff might account for any failed attempts at becoming skilled.
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Or it could be I just don't like condescending people. whose egos can't handle losing when they "should" have won.

Thinking someone who wins from a disadvantage with making the "wrong" plays may account accusations of cheating, when it was just a bad beat.

Gene
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GenoDRPH
You claim to not be a good poker player and to have not watched the important part of Doug Polk's video in which he informs us of the evidence from the production team's investigation. We understand that you consider all allegations to be nothing but speculation, that you believe there is no proof, that you think this may just be a bad beat, that you "don't like condescending people whose egos can't handle losing when they "should" have won."

You have now made 46 posts on this thread (in just a few days) and you seem to be repeating your points over and over. At times you are responding to almost every post by everyone else as if this thread is all about you and your opinions. In effect, you are harrassing the members who are trying to use this thread to discuss what seems to be a historic moment in the history of poker. You are also introducing gender discrimination issues that seem unwarranted and you have called various members (and the poker player Garrett) 'condescending' in an attempt to divert the subject under discussion and to enflame people emotionally.

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Several tears ago I decided, after some effort to the contrary, to abandon any attempts to become skilled enough to play regularly at licensed poker rooms near me.

Thinking she outplayed him with a stealer call-bluff might account for any failed attempts at becoming skilled.
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Or it could be I just don't like condescending people. whose egos can't handle losing when they "should" have won.

Thinking someone who wins from a disadvantage with making the "wrong" plays may account accusations of cheating, when it was just a bad beat.

Gene
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You claim to not be a good poker player and to have not watched the important part of Doug Polk's video in which he informs us of the evidence from the production team's investigation. We understand that you consider all allegations to be nothing but speculation, that you believe there is no proof, that you think this may just be a bad beat, that you "don't like condescending people whose egos can't handle losing when they "should" have won."

You have now made 46 posts on this thread (in just a few days) and you seem to be repeating your points over and over. At times you are responding to almost every post by everyone else as if this thread is all about you and your opinions. In effect, you are harrassing the members who are trying to use this thread to discuss what seems to be a historic moment in the history of poker. You are also introducing gender discrimination issues that seem unwarranted and you have called various members (and the poker player Garrett) 'condescending' in an attempt to divert the subject under discussion and to enflame people emotionally.

WARNING: You are spamming this thread while introducing no new content. You are harassing the other posters. What you are doing is trolling which is a Rule 12 violation. If you continue spamming this thread while simply repeating the same content that you have already posted, or if you continue to harass the other thread participants, then you will be subject to suspension from this forum.

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I was having coach belly flash backs.





You, sir, have received some - WMOAT points. You're in the yellow zone.
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October 10th, 2022 at 11:14:58 PM permalink
You just can't make this $@#% up...

Bryan’s take on how Hans could be cheating in chess.



ROFLMAO.
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October 11th, 2022 at 10:52:54 AM permalink
OMG... What is this chick doing playing poker at these limits? Hopefully, someone who hates money is backing her or simply appearing is +EV above the investment.
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October 11th, 2022 at 1:00:47 PM permalink
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OMG... What is this chick doing playing poker at these limits? Hopefully, someone who hates money is backing her or simply appearing is +EV above the investment.
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Supposedly she's a decent player when not on any kind of stream or live game, but when she's on TV she puts on a big show and plays crazy and annoys people. Also she apparently has mental health issues.

That's just stuff I've read about her.
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October 11th, 2022 at 4:19:26 PM permalink
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OMG... What is this chick doing playing poker at these limits?



If she is cheating that would explain a lot.
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October 11th, 2022 at 9:08:58 PM permalink
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OMG... What is this chick doing playing poker at these limits? Hopefully, someone who hates money is backing her or simply appearing is +EV above the investment.
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Supposedly she's a decent player when not on any kind of stream or live game, but when she's on TV she puts on a big show and plays crazy and annoys people. Also she apparently has mental health issues.

That's just stuff I've read about her.
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I felt really bad for her watching this. I was wondering if she was on something. She wasn't putting on a show or playing crazy in this case, she was basically just folding her money away.

If I was an owner, operator, or management of that stream I couldn't in good conscious let her play.
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October 16th, 2022 at 4:05:47 PM permalink
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/10/robbi-jade-lew-polygraph-test-42321.htm


I am actually surprised this has not been posted, I heard this on some podcast while driving the other night, and this is the only article I could find. Apparently, she went to Vegas to take a polygraph under agreed upon conditions.

There is apparently a conspiracy that she had her twin (I guess she has an identical twin), take the test for her, which at this point is just past the line of absurd conspiracies. If she passed a polygraph (under the conditions that were set up for her, not her own polygraph) and the casino's internal investigation turns up nothing (I know it has not been concluded yet, but they have been pretty open with every major/minor discovery so if nothing came out yet, its not looking like they found anything of note related to her), there is virtually no way she cheated.

If she is going through all of this trouble after cheating (and after getting the money taken from her anyway, -she literally has nothing to protect-), and if she did cheat, she is a fool. If you are guilty the smart thing is to go radio silent (actually this is smart if you are innocent too, because some people will never accept anything in your attempt to "prove your innocence" as we are seeing here). If she did cheat, and she allowed them to take the money, and agreed to this test, she is beyond foolish (and probably not capable of coming up with such an elaborate scheme that would be successful in this scenario).
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October 16th, 2022 at 4:40:46 PM permalink
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https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/10/robbi-jade-lew-polygraph-test-42321.htm


I am actually surprised this has not been posted, I heard this on some podcast while driving the other night, and this is the only article I could find. Apparently, she went to Vegas to take a polygraph under agreed upon conditions.

There is apparently a conspiracy that she had her twin (I guess she has an identical twin), take the test for her, which at this point is just past the line of absurd conspiracies. If she passed a polygraph (under the conditions that were set up for her, not her own polygraph) and the casino's internal investigation turns up nothing (I know it has not been concluded yet, but they have been pretty open with every major/minor discovery so if nothing came out yet, its not looking like they found anything of note related to her), there is virtually no way she cheated.

If she is going through all of this trouble after cheating (and after getting the money taken from her anyway, -she literally has nothing to protect-), and if she did cheat, she is a fool. If you are guilty the smart thing is to go radio silent (actually this is smart if you are innocent too, because some people will never accept anything in your attempt to "prove your innocence" as we are seeing here). If she did cheat, and she allowed them to take the money, and agreed to this test, she is beyond foolish (and probably not capable of coming up with such an elaborate scheme that would be successful in this scenario).
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Two of her you say? Thank god for deep fake sex videos in that case
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October 16th, 2022 at 5:01:11 PM permalink
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https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/10/robbi-jade-lew-polygraph-test-42321.htm


I am actually surprised this has not been posted, I heard this on some podcast while driving the other night, and this is the only article I could find. Apparently, she went to Vegas to take a polygraph under agreed upon conditions.

There is apparently a conspiracy that she had her twin (I guess she has an identical twin), take the test for her, which at this point is just past the line of absurd conspiracies. If she passed a polygraph (under the conditions that were set up for her, not her own polygraph) and the casino's internal investigation turns up nothing (I know it has not been concluded yet, but they have been pretty open with every major/minor discovery so if nothing came out yet, its not looking like they found anything of note related to her), there is virtually no way she cheated.

If she is going through all of this trouble after cheating (and after getting the money taken from her anyway, -she literally has nothing to protect-), and if she did cheat, she is a fool. If you are guilty the smart thing is to go radio silent (actually this is smart if you are innocent too, because some people will never accept anything in your attempt to "prove your innocence" as we are seeing here). If she did cheat, and she allowed them to take the money, and agreed to this test, she is beyond foolish (and probably not capable of coming up with such an elaborate scheme that would be successful in this scenario).
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Two of her you say? Thank god for deep fake sex videos in that case
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That is what this article says, I have no idea if its true (this is the first article that I have seen mention it, so I don't know if she actually has a twin, or its just another conspiracy). If she actually has a twin, I feel worse for her, because it will literally never end ("Oh her twin did the good interview" "oh her twin did the tests" etc....)

Having an identical twin in this kind of case, is like the worst-case scenario for this ever ending for her.....
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October 17th, 2022 at 6:04:45 AM permalink
I’m no polygraph expert, but wouldn’t you ask the person, “What is your name?” And if that turned out to be a lie…..
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October 17th, 2022 at 6:25:34 AM permalink
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I’m no polygraph expert, but wouldn’t you ask the person, “What is your name?” And if that turned out to be a lie…..
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Whether she cheated or not, I’m kind of on Geno’s side that there are going to be internet poker bros that simply can’t stand the thought that she didn’t cheat, will never accept that she didn’t, think actually having proof is irrelevant, will go to any stretch of the imagination to maintain she did and just generally seem to have a deep emotional investment in her having done it.

Why? I have no idea.
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October 17th, 2022 at 8:11:15 AM permalink
The "twin taking a polygraph" conspiracy makes zero sense....

It would be found out immediately, because they would ask questions like, "Is your name Robbi?" "Were you playing poker on the date of blah blah blah?" "Were you on a livestream with so-and-so?" "Did you have a Jack-four-offsuit?" Etc., etc., etc.

It would be easier for Robbi to at least attempt to lie at a few questions than it would be for a twin to lie at everything.
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October 17th, 2022 at 10:53:49 AM permalink
It’s ridiculous speculation anyway; did the identical twins have identical cosmetic procedures? I mean, maybe they did, but I doubt the people spouting ridiculous theories would know that.
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October 17th, 2022 at 4:15:35 PM permalink
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I’m no polygraph expert, but wouldn’t you ask the person, “What is your name?” And if that turned out to be a lie…..
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Kind of, but probably not like that, its usually yes or no questions (at least everyone that I have done).

They may ask "Is your name Gander"? "Yes"
"Were your truthful in your filling out your contact and address information?" "Yes"
"Are there any other names that you go by that you omitted from the packet" "No"
(And then proceed to go through every section of the packet to ask if you were truthful about each section in a yes or no format).

I am no polygraph expert either, but I would bet that I have taken more than most Americans so I know the drill. They definitely can be incorrect (show "signs of deception" on verifiable section where its like "why would I lie about that"), but if somebody was taking a polygraph for somebody else, I would guess the readings would be off the chart. It would probably be easier to teach yourself to cheat one. Honestly, I am surprised that more people are not switching to CVSA (much more reliable than polygraph and can kind of -gray area- be used in Court since the law has not caught up yet). If somebody is not familiar with polygraphs it would be very hard to cheat.

I don't know what else the hardcore "must be a cheater" camp wants at this point, a psychic to look into her brain? Its gone beyond a witch-hunt. Honestly, she should have never agreed to their polygraph (taking one by choice is always a mistake), but she passed so....
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October 17th, 2022 at 4:19:26 PM permalink
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It’s ridiculous speculation anyway; did the identical twins have identical cosmetic procedures? I mean, maybe they did, but I doubt the people spouting ridiculous theories would know that.
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Identical twins actually can have some biometric differences (often fingerprints, even if the DNA is the same), but I doubt some agency in Vegas still a full biometric file on her before she was polygraphed (also the identical twin argument is absurd for a host of reasons).
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October 17th, 2022 at 7:11:52 PM permalink
I had a desk in a federal government polygraph center for a couple of years and I learned about polygraph testing. A typical test lasts about 2 hours and includes questions like:

- tell us about something you did earlier in life that involved breaking the rules, or breaking the law or that you feel was wrong.
-they then ask many questions simply to establish some baseline data on how you react

- they ask many wandering questions about people in your life and about your job.

- finally towards the end they ask you about the subject that is the point of the polygraph testing.

The leader of the polygraph center explained to me that a properly conducted modern polygraph test by a properly trained person is 100% accurate, despite what you hear in the media and what lawyers argue in court. there have been many advances in the technology of testing that now eliminate the ways in which people have defeated polygraph tests in the past.

So I agree that an identical twin tactic would not work.
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October 18th, 2022 at 1:02:47 PM permalink
If you’re a fan of Bayesian theorum/statistics, it’s pretty likely she wasn’t cheating before any polygraph evidence. But everyone who had a strong feeling has had their mind made up either way.
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October 18th, 2022 at 2:05:45 PM permalink
I've just seen a charge by Tom Dwan that there were no baseline questions that were asked of robbi on her polygraph test. If that is the case then the polygraph test is not very meaningful/reliable and you should ignore everything I posted about the reliability of federal polygraph tests.

EX: You can defeat a polygraph test by clenching your anus when they are asking baseline questions, and unclenching it during the key questions. Federal polygraph centers have a mat on the chair to detect clenching of the anus, I assume that this public testing center in California did not.

The decision to file charges against Bryan S. for theft of $15,000 does seem significant, however. It makes it unlikely that he was conspiring with Robbi to defraud the poker game.
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October 18th, 2022 at 2:48:26 PM permalink
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I've just seen a charge by Tom Dwan that there were no baseline questions that were asked of robbi on her polygraph test. If that is the case then the polygraph test is not very meaningful/reliable and you should ignore everything I posted about the reliability of federal polygraph tests.

EX: You can defeat a polygraph test by clenching your anus when they are asking baseline questions, and unclenching it during the key questions. Federal polygraph centers have a mat on the chair to detect clenching of the anus, I assume that this public testing center in California did not.

The decision to file charges against Bryan S. for theft of $15,000 does seem significant, however. It makes it unlikely that he was conspiring with Robbi to defraud the poker game.
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News reports indicate that there were about three dozen control questions and there were three target questions asked at the end. Does Tom base his conclusion based on the result of just the three target questions or the entire body of three dozens questions asked?

I also note that the test was conducted in Las Vegas and not CA. Assumption about clench detecting chair mats may still be valid, however.

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October 18th, 2022 at 3:17:23 PM permalink
Clearly there is lots that I don't know, including the credentials of the Vegas polygraph center and how they conduct their commercial business. If there were indeed 3 dozen control questions, that does improve the case for the integrity of the test. I have said that I am impressed by Robbi's decision to press charges against Brian S. because if he was conspiring with Robbi, it would be natural for him to turn the tables on her and volunteer information to the police and the public about what their scheme was.

This case was historic in many ways. I have never heard of an instance where a poker player won a hand involving large amounts of money and simply turned over the whole pot to the opponent -without a gun or other threat of immediate physical violence. She turned over $139,000 to Garrett. It is natural for good honorable people to speculate that there is something going on that they don't yet know. You don't have to impute sleazy motives to people who have different opinions than you.
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October 18th, 2022 at 3:35:17 PM permalink
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I've just seen a charge by Tom Dwan that there were no baseline questions that were asked of robbi on her polygraph test. If that is the case then the polygraph test is not very meaningful/reliable and you should ignore everything I posted about the reliability of federal polygraph tests.

EX: You can defeat a polygraph test by clenching your anus when they are asking baseline questions, and unclenching it during the key questions. Federal polygraph centers have a mat on the chair to detect clenching of the anus, I assume that this public testing center in California did not.

The decision to file charges against Bryan S. for theft of $15,000 does seem significant, however. It makes it unlikely that he was conspiring with Robbi to defraud the poker game.
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I am pretty sure the testing center was in NV and it was chosen by some skeptical gambler who paid for it to be done (IE she did not choose the center and probably did not choose the questions or conditions).

There are several established ways to beat polygraphs (which is why voice tests are better), including anus clenching and simply taking certain benzos at high doses that control anxiety (this would probably be easier as unlike government polygraphs she is not going to be drug screened as well), but if you are going to assume that the results are not valid because she may have done some niche system that most people would never consider, that is just getting into crazy land. This is why she should have just ignored the people insisting she do the poly, its never enough....

She is definitely not getting the money back, that dude has his mind made up, and he seems to have a lot of supporters for some reason, so she has nothing to prove at this point, if she had a lawyer (or at least had one that she listened to) she would have gone in shut off mode weeks ago, but she seems to be relying on social media for what she should do.....

Honestly, the fact that she is making so many poor decisions, makes me more convinced that she did not cheat (no professional cheater would go through this much nonsense just to have no chance at money and to keep the spotlight on them).
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October 18th, 2022 at 10:03:55 PM permalink
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Clearly there is lots that I don't know, including the credentials of the Vegas polygraph center and how they conduct their commercial business. If there were indeed 3 dozen control questions, that does improve the case for the integrity of the test. I have said that I am impressed by Robbi's decision to press charges against Brian S. because if he was conspiring with Robbi, it would be natural for him to turn the tables on her and volunteer information to the police and the public about what their scheme was.

This case was historic in many ways. I have never heard of an instance where a poker player won a hand involving large amounts of money and simply turned over the whole pot to the opponent -without a gun or other threat of immediate physical violence. She turned over $139,000 to Garrett. It is natural for good honorable people to speculate that there is something going on that they don't yet know. You don't have to impute sleazy motives to people who have different opinions than you.
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Her PR team set this up? If so, how many did she take before submitting it? Did you see the photo she took holding the big envelope that someone wrote with a marker confidential?

Why do it in Vegas?

Assuming the correct location and photos were given where she took the polygraph, I assumed it was an abandoned crack den.
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October 27th, 2022 at 7:36:35 PM permalink
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-10-27/la-fi-poker-scandal-bryan-sagbigsal

Bryan Sagbigsal is on the run.
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October 27th, 2022 at 7:40:20 PM permalink
I actually am pretty sure I saw Robbi in a Vegas casino last week. After passing her, I thought about it and turned around to go talk to her, but she was gone.

Sunglasses, tight jeans, and tight top emphasizing her bosom. Smiling, hard to miss.

Might have been someone entirely different that just looked like her, but wouldn't have minded talking to whoever that was, too.
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November 11th, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM permalink
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https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-10-27/la-fi-poker-scandal-bryan-sagbigsal

Bryan Sagbigsal is on the run.
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Has he been caught?

I can't find any news related to any aspect of the entire controversy this month. It's as if the internet's interest in it suddenly died.

At this point it appears that no hard evidence of cheating will ever be produced and that Garrett will never recover the self-inflicted losses to his reputation.
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November 11th, 2022 at 7:34:25 PM permalink
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https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-10-27/la-fi-poker-scandal-bryan-sagbigsal

Bryan Sagbigsal is on the run.
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Has he been caught?

I can't find any news related to any aspect of the entire controversy this month. It's as if the internet's interest in it suddenly died.

At this point it appears that no hard evidence of cheating will ever be produced and that Garrett will never recover the self-inflicted losses to his reputation.
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As if this writing, Bryan is still in parts unknown. As for the investigation, I've been keeping an eye on the following two articles. Hesitated to post until, now, lest I again be accused of imputing sleazy motives or whatever. If the investigation says they 100% did not find any evidence of cheating, I hope she sues the pants off of Garrett, Tom Dwon, Doug Polk, Veronica Brill and any else with a public social media channel who said she cheated.

From last week:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-11-03/la-fi-poker-scandal-investigation-update

From yesterday:
https://www.tightpoker.com/news/hcl-investigation-chip-thief-disappears-38829/
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November 11th, 2022 at 7:37:38 PM permalink
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At this point it appears that no hard evidence of cheating will ever be produced and that Garrett will never recover the self-inflicted losses to his reputation.
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You may or may not be correct. The only investigation of possible cheating is by High Stakes Poker Productions and this is what has just recently been reported:

"Meanwhile, High Stakes Poker Productions’ investigation is continuing, with a final report not expected until next month (December) at the earliest. The company has hired a team of outside experts to assist, including a cybersecurity firm and a private investigator."

Just as we wait for all the votes to be counted in an election, I suggest we wait until the investigation of possible cheating has something to report before drawing conclusions.
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November 11th, 2022 at 8:15:03 PM permalink
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Quote: JackSpade

Quote: GenoDRPh

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-10-27/la-fi-poker-scandal-bryan-sagbigsal

Bryan Sagbigsal is on the run.
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Has he been caught?

I can't find any news related to any aspect of the entire controversy this month. It's as if the internet's interest in it suddenly died.

At this point it appears that no hard evidence of cheating will ever be produced and that Garrett will never recover the self-inflicted losses to his reputation.
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As if this writing, Bryan is still in parts unknown. As for the investigation, I've been keeping an eye on the following two articles. Hesitated to post until, now, lest I again be accused of imputing sleazy motives or whatever. If the investigation says they 100% did not find any evidence of cheating, I hope she sues the pants off of Garrett, Tom Dwon, Doug Polk, Veronica Brill and any else with a public social media channel who said she cheated.

From last week:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-11-03/la-fi-poker-scandal-investigation-update

From yesterday:
https://www.tightpoker.com/news/hcl-investigation-chip-thief-disappears-38829/
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bryan, the tech that worked at high stakes that stole from Robbi's stack?
he's on the run?
wtf stranger and stranger as this progresses!?!

and i cant believe doug polk did an elon musk and opened his mouth and put his reputation at risk.
(elon has since not only lit his reputation on fire, but continues to pour gasoline on that fire.)
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December 14th, 2022 at 3:43:20 PM permalink
Report released:

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/12/poker-hustler-casino-investigation-robbi-jade-lew-garrett-adelstein

Full Report: https://hustlercasinolive.com/j4report/

Press Release: https://hustlercasinolive.com/pressrelease/

“The investigation we conducted was extremely thorough and we found no evidence of wrongdoing in the September 29 hand. We cannot say with 100% certainty that no wrongdoing happened, just that we found no evidence of it,” said Nick Vertucci, co-owner of High Stakes Poker Productions. “We promised to conduct a thorough investigation and that we would release the findings publicly, no matter what is found. That is what we are doing today.”
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December 14th, 2022 at 4:00:39 PM permalink
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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/12/poker-hustler-casino-investigation-robbi-jade-lew-garrett-adelstein

Full Report: https://hustlercasinolive.com/j4report/

Press Release: https://hustlercasinolive.com/pressrelease/
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It's great to see a casino so transparent with their methodology and conclusions as opposed to releasing a one sentence press release.

"It was also evident upon inspection of policy and setup that HCL had implemented some security measures prior to Sept. 29:

Cell phones and electronics were prohibited in the booth. Players were prohibited from possessing cell phones or smart watches at the table.
Systems were segregated between those that need to be connected to the internet, such as the live commentator’s PC and the streaming PC, and those that did not.
All other systems that were used for sound, video mixing and the GFX server were on a private non-internet accessible network.
Data was transferred between the production mixing machines all the way to the streaming PC via video cable and not a network.
HCL did turn off broadcasting of its Wi-Fi access point, limiting basic attacks and enumeration. "

In these kind of cases, I always go back to this point, at many (probably most) Poker Rooms it's against the rules to use a cellphone (smartwatch, etc....), but it seems to be rarely enforced, certainly not with any sense of aggression. I feel that just aggressively enforcing this rules would solve so many of these issues.

I mean, shoot, at a mid-range BJ table security will jump at you for pulling your phone out to check the time if you are seated at the table, but poker tables seem so cavalier about this rule, even when it can be used it much more advantageous ways (my best guess is casinos care more about BJ as it's their money on the line, I don't see any other logical pattern for enforcement aggression), I don't play High Stakes Poker (or anything close to it), but even watching recorded streams, you see half the players sitting there with their phones out (not even getting into smart watches etc..).... And, at low stakes tables its beyond common. This is a rule that needs to be enacted (in some cases) and enforced more uniformly. Just about every allegation related to cheating in the modern world seems to be related to wireless devices, just ban the devices.


But it will be interesting to see if she gets her money back from Garrett since the report concluded with no allegations of wrongdoing -by players- (somehow, I doubt it).
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December 14th, 2022 at 4:06:39 PM permalink
Hope she sues the pants off of all the social media talking heads-and Garrett.
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December 14th, 2022 at 5:11:38 PM permalink
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Hope she sues the pants off of all the social media talking heads-and Garrett.
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It would be an interesting claim. I would say defamation cases are hard, but with certain mainstream trials earlier this year, who knows. I don't know about Garrett, since she gave the money to him voluntarily -from what we know- (unless they had some kind of personal contingency that it would verge on the outcome of the investigation or such). Either way giving the money to him was a bad move, as it makes her look guilty and she will not get it back (I would assume she was pressured to do so).

I suppose a lot would depend on how her poker playing was negatively effected by the claims certain people made against her (I would guess there was an effect that probably limited games).

But, its certainly positive that the casino was so transparent with their results, and combined with the polygraph results there can be little doubt that cheating was extremely unlikely (yes anything is possible). And, very rarely do people walk back statements and personal feelings after evidence, so to some degree the damage is done.
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December 14th, 2022 at 8:03:02 PM permalink
Again, to hear her tell it, she was cornered by two men-one her poker table opponent and one a producer of the livestream-and was pressured to refund to Garrett. To some people, it made her look guilty, To others, it was discretion instead of valor. To others still, it was an act to defuse a tense situation. So unless Doug Polk. Veronica Brill, Garret and the other poker-bro talking heads issue a full apology, I hope she sues the pants off of them.

To paraphrase a quote attributed to John Maynard Keynes, when the facts change, we should change our minds.
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December 14th, 2022 at 9:51:28 PM permalink
This is the best thing that ever happened to her. She absolutely hit the jackpot.

There's no way I would accept an investigation done by them. I was certain cheating or not, no evidence would be found.

Mike Postle was investigated by Stones... NO EVIDENCE WAS FOUND. And if someone knows the case and poker well enough and they are not 100% convinced he was cheating, then they are braindead.
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December 14th, 2022 at 10:00:30 PM permalink
I’m still 90% sure she cheated, HCL was never going to let info come out that hurt them.

All this being said she (the cheater) is 100% better off that this happened. She’s famous which is what a LA bimbo like her wants.

I know I come off like an asshole but this is my opinion.
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December 14th, 2022 at 10:11:11 PM permalink
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I’m still 90% sure she cheated, HCL was never going to let info come out that hurt them.

All this being said she (the cheater) is 100% better off that this happened. She’s famous which is what a LA bimbo like her wants.

I know I come off like an asshole but this is my opinion.
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I don't know what percentage I'm at, but it certainly looks like some shady crap was going on when you look at everything.

Whatever happened to that Bryan kid who was "stealing" her chips? Any evidence he stole other people's chips prior to that?
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December 14th, 2022 at 11:23:29 PM permalink
Twitter stopped talking about him once the cops put a warrant out for his arrest and he fled.
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Twitter stopped talking about him once the cops put a warrant out for his arrest and he fled.
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fled with the all money everyone paid him off with to keep quiet.
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December 15th, 2022 at 4:15:23 AM permalink
Like I said she’s guilty. Way too many coincidences for them to be coincidences. Her being innocent is about as likely that Alan saw 18 yo’s in a row.
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Like I said she’s guilty. Way too many coincidences for them to be coincidences. Her being innocent is about as likely that Alan saw 18 yo’s in a row.
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I agree. Criminals try NOT to leave evidence! By saying they don’t have enough evidence to charge her with anything is NOT saying she did not commit the crime.
There are ‘bad calls’ all the time in poker. Just this one is unfathomable for anyone who has even played a little. Combine that with the back room furniture adjustments, the guy stealing her chips and running away, the payback to the guy she beat…

It’s not IMPOSSIBLE that she didn’t cheat. But it strains credulity to think she didn’t. It’s not as far fetched as 18 yo’s in a row(RIP Alan!) , but not that far.

Anyone who actually plays poker like you or Axel know this to be true!
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December 15th, 2022 at 9:21:14 AM permalink
Poker bros gonna poker bro. We should expect nothing less.
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December 15th, 2022 at 9:47:04 AM permalink
When I saw the hand I didn't think she cheated, but then the more she talked, and as more strange and unusual stuff came out, I was convinced something funny was definitely going on.
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December 15th, 2022 at 10:12:24 AM permalink
There was a Mike Postle investigation? There a bunch of internet sleuths and talking heads yapping, but no formal investigation that is available publicly.

Lew made a less-than-optimal play but still won the hand even after running ti twice. Therefore, she just ^had^ to be cheating. After all, nobody, and I repeat ^nobody^ has ever won a poker hand by playing then than perfect...
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