Poker God or Cheating Scum?
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September 30th, 2019 at 3:29:08 PM
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Pretty fun debate is afoot. This does not involve poker superstars. However, it does involve midstakes games and substantial amounts of money for most people. e.g $5,000-10,000 pots.
Mike Postle is a veteran pro and he often plays on live streams. The streams are delayed by 20 mins, but people who understand the subject say it would be fairly easy to hack them.
After appearing in these games for years, people have started to ask if it is possible for Postle to really be this good.
A couple points. They say he is far and away the winningest player in the game. If a losing player, or wreckless player made these plays it would not be unheard of or even that odd. But some of these plays are, in a vacuum, absolutely terrible and unjustifiable. So why haven't they eaten up his win rate?
Good player raises JJ. Mike 3bets with 72 off. 72 game is NOT in effect. Flop AAQ. Check, call. Turn is a rag. Check call. River is a T. Check, and a big all in bet takes it down.
These days, every half decent player knows you want to have some equity when running even very ambitious bluffs. In other words, even if you are bluffing, you want a hand that can get lucky and wind up the best hand. Nobody on earth is making money bluffing their stack with 72off. In the long run, this play is a big loser.
When we look at the run out, this bluff pretty much works ONLY against JJ specifically. TT, QQ and AQ are boats. KJ is a straight. Any ace calls. An advanced player (I think his opponent is one) could certainly call with KQ, knowing they block AK, AQ and QQ. And might call even KK, but he would probably have 4bet that. This guy considers calling with JJ.
There are always arguments to be made for his play. A big one is that he knows he is on "TV" and doing something like going crazy with 72 can give him an advantage, or encourage people to invite him to good home games.
Anyway, here are some hands that are either amazing poker or cheating.
Here is a 2+2 thread discussing it. Chicago Joey is a very successful online player and podcaster who has taken the case.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/mike-postle-cheating-allegations-1753388/index2.html
Mike Postle is a veteran pro and he often plays on live streams. The streams are delayed by 20 mins, but people who understand the subject say it would be fairly easy to hack them.
After appearing in these games for years, people have started to ask if it is possible for Postle to really be this good.
A couple points. They say he is far and away the winningest player in the game. If a losing player, or wreckless player made these plays it would not be unheard of or even that odd. But some of these plays are, in a vacuum, absolutely terrible and unjustifiable. So why haven't they eaten up his win rate?
Good player raises JJ. Mike 3bets with 72 off. 72 game is NOT in effect. Flop AAQ. Check, call. Turn is a rag. Check call. River is a T. Check, and a big all in bet takes it down.
These days, every half decent player knows you want to have some equity when running even very ambitious bluffs. In other words, even if you are bluffing, you want a hand that can get lucky and wind up the best hand. Nobody on earth is making money bluffing their stack with 72off. In the long run, this play is a big loser.
When we look at the run out, this bluff pretty much works ONLY against JJ specifically. TT, QQ and AQ are boats. KJ is a straight. Any ace calls. An advanced player (I think his opponent is one) could certainly call with KQ, knowing they block AK, AQ and QQ. And might call even KK, but he would probably have 4bet that. This guy considers calling with JJ.
There are always arguments to be made for his play. A big one is that he knows he is on "TV" and doing something like going crazy with 72 can give him an advantage, or encourage people to invite him to good home games.
Anyway, here are some hands that are either amazing poker or cheating.
Here is a 2+2 thread discussing it. Chicago Joey is a very successful online player and podcaster who has taken the case.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/mike-postle-cheating-allegations-1753388/index2.html
September 30th, 2019 at 3:48:01 PM
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I don't know enough about Poker to understand what's going on, but who exactly is he supposedly cheating "with?" The house/casino/dealers? Colluding with other players?
September 30th, 2019 at 4:02:36 PM
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Quote: TigerWuI don't know enough about Poker to understand what's going on, but who exactly is he supposedly cheating "with?" The house/casino/dealers? Colluding with other players?
I don't know enough about tech to understand. It involves something like RFF cards. Basically, he would have someone who is watching the stream in real time and relaying information to him. It could be someone working on the show, or someone who knows how to do the hacking.
He could have some kind of buzzer on his body to tell him what to do.
Nobody has raised the possibility that he is marking cards. Why not go old school? If you were doing the thing with the UV contacts and invisible ink, you could mark them more elaborately and have a pretty good idea of what opponents have.
September 30th, 2019 at 5:28:01 PM
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After spending times watching some of the hands, it is obvious to me that Postle knows the hole cards. I play competitive poker* and no one makes the kinds of calls, folds and raises that Postle makes over and over again.
He often checks his phone before he makes these miracle decisions.
Either:
1. the streaming broadcast of the game which is on a 20 minute delay, is being intercepted by a confederate, who is watching and phoning in to Postle whant his opponents have, OR
2. The RF ID chips in the cards are somehow being scanned such that Postle knows the cards.
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*I have 5 cashes in 13 WSOP events.
He often checks his phone before he makes these miracle decisions.
Either:
1. the streaming broadcast of the game which is on a 20 minute delay, is being intercepted by a confederate, who is watching and phoning in to Postle whant his opponents have, OR
2. The RF ID chips in the cards are somehow being scanned such that Postle knows the cards.
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*I have 5 cashes in 13 WSOP events.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 30th, 2019 at 8:00:32 PM
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Quote: gordonm888
He often checks his phone before he makes these miracle decisions.
Either:
1. the streaming broadcast of the game which is on a 20 minute delay, is being intercepted by a confederate, who is watching and phoning in to Postle whant his opponents have, OR
2. The RF ID chips in the cards are somehow being scanned such that Postle knows the cards.
none of the videos show him using his phone are there any more of this guy?
my two cents are that the seeds within the RNG have come full circle and he recognizes specific deals that are happening.
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but the first sentence states
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September 30th, 2019 at 9:08:05 PM
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Quote: heatmapnone of the videos show him using his phone are there any more of this guy?
try these videos: videos showing him consulting his phone as he decides how he should act
Quote: heatmap
my two cents are that the seeds within the RNG have come full circle and he recognizes specific deals that are happening.
Um. . . .. shown in the videos are live poker games in which the dealer manually shuffles a deck of cards. There were absolutely no RNG involved. Did you even look at any of the materials that were posted? I mean, c'mon !!!!
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September 30th, 2019 at 9:08:52 PM
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After watching quite a few of the videos and reading the chat I would have to say if you made me bet one way or the other I would say he IS cheating. Some of the hands he plays make absolutely no sense. He raises in spots in multi way pots that should have him bleeding money in the long run and that QJ fold looks like he knows the hole cards. You couldn’t pay me to play with this guy.
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September 30th, 2019 at 9:10:23 PM
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Also nobody can come up with video of any spots where he bluffs off into huge hands? Any player with a 50% VPIP and the insane bluffing style that he has will find spots where they blast off basically dead. He somehow manages to never do that.
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September 30th, 2019 at 9:13:15 PM
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Let’s go for a triple post.
Nobody can play perfect like this. I have a friend Patrick Serda (feel free to look up his Hendon) that is very aggro and guess what? He’s great at what he does but he’s wrong sometimes bluffs off in the wrong spots. You can’t be correct 100% of the time.
I am referring to his cash game play as well where he plays very high stakes. Bigger than what Postle is playing on stream.
Nobody can play perfect like this. I have a friend Patrick Serda (feel free to look up his Hendon) that is very aggro and guess what? He’s great at what he does but he’s wrong sometimes bluffs off in the wrong spots. You can’t be correct 100% of the time.
I am referring to his cash game play as well where he plays very high stakes. Bigger than what Postle is playing on stream.
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September 30th, 2019 at 9:22:10 PM
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Yeah, I read some of the chat and watched quite a few videos -and the videos made my skin crawl. The actions Postle takes in the videos are unnatural and irrational - and seemingly 100% successful. The only possible explanation is that he knows the hole cards of his opponents.
What is worrisome is that whatever he is doing to cheat can presumably be replicated by others. Someone needs to get to the bottom of this.
What is worrisome is that whatever he is doing to cheat can presumably be replicated by others. Someone needs to get to the bottom of this.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 30th, 2019 at 9:50:23 PM
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no fun at all.Quote: RigondeauxPretty fun debate is afoot.
the guy in question is a well known piece of
***** PERIOD
Annette Obrestad run circles around that loser.
She won online events by NOT EVEN looking at her cards.
maybe she lied too (I doubt)
I suggest, make some videos about the freerolls on wsop.com - for example -
how they are allowed to 'offer rigged games' legally.
It IS a freeroll.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
September 30th, 2019 at 9:54:26 PM
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Ok I can’t read anymore of that thread on 2+2, he’s either the best player ever or the stupidest cheater ever. If he actually knows the hole cards it would be so easy to slowly make a lot of money without raising suspicions.
The fact that he apparently (obviously I can’t substantiate this claim) passes up bigger soft games to play smaller on steam is a huge red flag. He also racks up when the stream ends (again these are obviously claims I can’t prove correct or incorrect).
The fact that he apparently (obviously I can’t substantiate this claim) passes up bigger soft games to play smaller on steam is a huge red flag. He also racks up when the stream ends (again these are obviously claims I can’t prove correct or incorrect).
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September 30th, 2019 at 10:39:30 PM
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Since we don't know how he's doing it or who else is involved he may only have a limited time or certain opportunities that allow the hole card information that's available to him. If that's the case, he may feel a sense of urgency to make as much money as fast as possible.Quote: PokerGrinderIf he actually knows the hole cards it would be so easy to slowly make a lot of money without raising suspicions.
I'm not sure how long has this been going on, however, if he's been doing stuff like this for a decent period of time without anyone noticing he may have felt that no one would ever detect it. He probably thought he could rationalize his crazy play with people thinking he's just a really good player. Some of the commentators actually back this up at times by explaining how and why he's playing so well and what his thought process must have been on certain hands. i.e. Mike P. knows player A didn't have a strong hand on the flop because if player A did... he wouldn't have led out... he would have just checked raised.
There's a certain characteristic someone has that's willing to do this in the first place those same characteristics might come into play with his thinking that he would never get caught.
It's almost as if this guy thinks he has a method that's totally undetectable.
Thanks Rigondeaux for bringing this to our attention this should be very interesting.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 1st, 2019 at 12:15:20 AM
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If you're up, check out this stream of Joey dismantling hand after hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg34YTF-meA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg34YTF-meA
October 1st, 2019 at 3:49:32 AM
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Chicago Joey is all over it. Pretty damning evidence as far as I'm concerned. The Stones live stream should be shut down while this is being investigated.
October 1st, 2019 at 4:20:05 AM
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Quote: gordonm888try these videos: videos showing him consulting his phone as he decides how he should act
Um. . . .. shown in the videos are live poker games in which the dealer manually shuffles a deck of cards. There were absolutely no RNG involved. Did you even look at any of the materials that were posted? I mean, c'mon !!!!
I did watch but I saw a deck mate i the ones I watched that were posted directly here woops never mind
October 1st, 2019 at 6:26:50 AM
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rig, please don't get me into 2+2 again. I was addicted to that forum before coming here. I can only handle 1 full time forum at a time.
I am not familiar with this stream but is it possible that only the crazy winning hands are being shown and there are big loses as well? I am sure 2+2 addresses that but I going to resist the urge to open it up.
more likely though, the stones people are involved in the cheating. Not sure how but probably part of it.
I am not familiar with this stream but is it possible that only the crazy winning hands are being shown and there are big loses as well? I am sure 2+2 addresses that but I going to resist the urge to open it up.
more likely though, the stones people are involved in the cheating. Not sure how but probably part of it.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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October 1st, 2019 at 6:28:52 AM
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Overwhelmingly in the cheating camp. The insane lines on hands. The claim to be a big reader of opponents but head buried in phone during the insane hands. The deletion of linked in accounts that seem to show a linkage to setting up poker shows. I’d vote guilty if on jury.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
October 1st, 2019 at 9:04:14 AM
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Quote: 7craps
She won online events by NOT EVEN looking at her cards.
maybe she lied too (I doubt)
Totally possible. I had a friend that used to do this, but in real games, not online. He would sometimes play by reading his opponents and doing stuff with his bets based on what cards were exposed, and never looking at his own cards. Don't ask me how, I'm not a poker guy.
October 1st, 2019 at 9:20:30 AM
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Not saying it is the case here, but if a person could sense.the hole cards, is it cheating?
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 1st, 2019 at 9:33:00 AM
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Quote: billryanNot saying it is the case here, but if a person could sense.the hole cards, is it cheating?
I think most of us would say noas long as he is not doing anything to the cards (ie. marking). Then again, just like the Phil Ivey cases the courts would disagreewith us.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 1st, 2019 at 12:10:19 PM
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Not long after my post, it became overwhelmingly obvious that he was guilty. To the point that I too would likely vote guilty on a criminal charge... if all or most of these things pan out. And if he has committed a crime, which he might not have. Which is to say, there might not be a speciffic law he has violated. It might not be illegal to cheat at poker.
These are assertions that haven't been 100% proven, but he does have defenders and many people started combing through evidence with an open mind. Most of us have little to no idea who he is, so it's not an effort to bring down a famous or controversial figure. People were initially very reluctant to make such accusations in public.
He has not had a losing session in 50 games on stream.
He will play any game on stream, from 1/3 up to 25/50/100 with famous high stakes pros. He does not play much off stream, especially above 5/5. He usually quits the second the broadcast ends.
Nobody can find a hand that he did not play as if he could see the other person's cards. Yes, he lost some big pots when a big bluff was called with A high or a low pair. But that is how he'd play if he could see their cards. In his defense he posted a hand where he paid off $40 with 2pair against a flush. And another hand where he agonized for 5 minutes before folding 86 to a huge all in bluff on a board of like 28t9J. Non-gods snap fold. Cheaters aganozize about it being too obvious to call, but worth a lot of money.
He was involved with setting up the stream.
As the best poker player to ever live by far, he is not a famous multi-millionaire.
These are assertions that haven't been 100% proven, but he does have defenders and many people started combing through evidence with an open mind. Most of us have little to no idea who he is, so it's not an effort to bring down a famous or controversial figure. People were initially very reluctant to make such accusations in public.
He has not had a losing session in 50 games on stream.
He will play any game on stream, from 1/3 up to 25/50/100 with famous high stakes pros. He does not play much off stream, especially above 5/5. He usually quits the second the broadcast ends.
Nobody can find a hand that he did not play as if he could see the other person's cards. Yes, he lost some big pots when a big bluff was called with A high or a low pair. But that is how he'd play if he could see their cards. In his defense he posted a hand where he paid off $40 with 2pair against a flush. And another hand where he agonized for 5 minutes before folding 86 to a huge all in bluff on a board of like 28t9J. Non-gods snap fold. Cheaters aganozize about it being too obvious to call, but worth a lot of money.
He was involved with setting up the stream.
As the best poker player to ever live by far, he is not a famous multi-millionaire.
October 1st, 2019 at 1:22:41 PM
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There’s also chatter now that he wasn’t the only person in the live streams to have an incredibly unlikely set of wins. Will be very interesting to see how it all shakes out and who else was involved.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
October 1st, 2019 at 2:48:46 PM
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The room manager claims they investigated and found nothing wrong. Seems impossible.
But it seems impossible that anybody could watch more than a few hours and not get suspicious. Though a lot of people were suspicious and even convinced cheating was going on and just didn't come forward publicly.
But it seems impossible that anybody could watch more than a few hours and not get suspicious. Though a lot of people were suspicious and even convinced cheating was going on and just didn't come forward publicly.
October 1st, 2019 at 3:06:17 PM
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In situations where he would never expect anybody to call. The only reason they called is because of the guys history and them knowing he's capable and frequently bluffing with absolutely nothing. In his mind at the time he's thinking there's absolutely no way these guys can call.Quote: Rigondeaux
Yes, he lost some big pots when a big bluff was called with A high or a low pair.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 1st, 2019 at 3:13:22 PM
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Was that after this all came out? I think they would need access to look into this guy more. I would think he got rid of all the evidence by now. It's very possible people are looking in the wrong areas.Quote: RigondeauxThe room manager claims they investigated and found nothing wrong.
I have a feeling they're not investigating very hard the room manager certainly wouldn't want to admit there was cheating going on in his room they might even be held liable and on the hook for lots of money. For all we know the room manager is in on it.
Do the dealer somehow deal any differently because it's a live stream? Perhaps it's easier to see the cards as they're being pitched to the players and that information is being fed to him?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 1st, 2019 at 3:15:16 PM
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 1st, 2019 at 3:28:10 PM
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can you explain what you mean by sense the whole cards? I guess if someone had some superhuman abilities that allowed them to see the hole cards I wouldn't consider that illegal. If someone had that type of ability and that's what they were using their ability for they should probably be exiled.Quote: billryanNot saying it is the case here, but if a person could sense.the hole cards, is it cheating?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 1st, 2019 at 4:09:21 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfIn situations where he would never expect anybody to call. The only reason they called is because of the guys history and them knowing he's capable and frequently bluffing with absolutely nothing. In his mind at the time he's thinking there's absolutely no way these guys can call.
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Only real update I see is that (despite previously announcing there was an investigation that cleared everyone) Stones is stopping all livestream games pending the results of an investigation. I hope CA gaming gets involved.
The circumstantial evidence continues to mount and be damming. I think it’s more likely you’ll see 18 yo’s in a row than that this guy wasn’t cheating.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
October 1st, 2019 at 5:24:58 PM
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Quote: unJonOnly real update I see is that (despite previously announcing there was an investigation that cleared everyone) Stones is stopping all livestream games pending the results of an investigation. I hope CA gaming gets involved.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
It is impossible to convey how crooked gambling is in California. Like, if you went to some country in Eastern Europe or Africa and the gambling was as crooked as it is in CA, you'd be like, "well, I thought it would be bad, but not THIS bad."
I know this from playing poker there for many years, as well as working in the casinos. I mean, the example speaks for itself. The man goes 50 and 0 in streamed sessions. He plays every single hand as if he can see the opponent's hole cards. He takes hundreds of thousands from other customers.
The casino investigates and determines everything is fine.
October 1st, 2019 at 6:07:35 PM
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October 1st, 2019 at 9:58:02 PM
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F*ck Dux I just lost 2 more hours to that damn 2+2 thread. I am an addict and you gave me a line, I am now going back to snort fatties every couple hours. YOU HAVE RUINED ME! lol
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October 1st, 2019 at 10:57:06 PM
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Another hour laughing on Twitter Oy vay.
Doug Polk is releasing a video on this tomorrow, going to be epic.
I’ll probably watch Joey Ingram’s video tomorrow too.
Doug Polk is releasing a video on this tomorrow, going to be epic.
I’ll probably watch Joey Ingram’s video tomorrow too.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
October 2nd, 2019 at 7:18:44 AM
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Quote: PokerGrinderAnother hour laughing on Twitter Oy vay.
Doug Polk is releasing a video on this tomorrow, going to be epic.
I’ll probably watch Joey Ingram’s video tomorrow too.
Thank you, Please post a link when it is available.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 2nd, 2019 at 9:43:01 AM
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Joey Ingram’s video is on his twitter and Polk’s will be on his too.
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October 2nd, 2019 at 10:46:46 AM
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I’m having a good laugh at the people bringing up lawsuits about it on Twitter. They do realize it’s a California cardroom right? Those places are the wild Wild West, less and less legitimate/integrity in oversight than native casinos.
October 2nd, 2019 at 11:31:37 AM
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I would love to hear Bob N's take on what kind of trouble, if any (my guess is none) this guy can get into and who can be sued for what.
October 2nd, 2019 at 11:40:25 AM
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I’d be surprised if there ends up being any legal action that isn’t civil. Sadly this will be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
October 2nd, 2019 at 12:36:16 PM
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Someone said he got caught cheating in a Mississippi casino playing Blackjack? The Vloggers didn't seem to want to touch that subject.
Does anyone have any more information on this?
I would be surprised if he doesn't/didn't have an accomplice on the inside.
Does anyone have any more information on this?
I would be surprised if he doesn't/didn't have an accomplice on the inside.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 2nd, 2019 at 12:52:52 PM
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There are several interesting allegations about his background, but I'm sure some are bogus. One is he was fired as a dealer at CP.
However, his own brother was on the stream and told a story of how when they were kids, Mike set up a game at the family business. Customers would spin a wheel to win a prize. Mike rigged the game to cheat the customers.
The big development today. There were suspicions that Justin, who runs the game/room, was in on it from early on. Just smelled fishy. For example, he was the one assuring everyone that there had been an investigation and that there was nothing to worry about.
Today, people pieced this together. Justin was in Vegas for several weeks during the WSOP. During this time, Mike stopped playing in the streamed games. Ruh-ro.
Edit: Worse than that. He played a couple times and suddenly turned mortal. He even had a significant losing session.
However, his own brother was on the stream and told a story of how when they were kids, Mike set up a game at the family business. Customers would spin a wheel to win a prize. Mike rigged the game to cheat the customers.
The big development today. There were suspicions that Justin, who runs the game/room, was in on it from early on. Just smelled fishy. For example, he was the one assuring everyone that there had been an investigation and that there was nothing to worry about.
Today, people pieced this together. Justin was in Vegas for several weeks during the WSOP. During this time, Mike stopped playing in the streamed games. Ruh-ro.
Edit: Worse than that. He played a couple times and suddenly turned mortal. He even had a significant losing session.
October 2nd, 2019 at 1:30:07 PM
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Apparently there's some kind of communication where he keeps asking that guy if he wants to play/ host the live stream something like that?Quote: RigondeauxThere are several interesting allegations about his background, but I'm sure some are bogus. One is he was fired as a dealer at CP.
However, his own brother was on the stream and told a story of how when they were kids, Mike set up a game at the family business. Customers would spin a wheel to win a prize. Mike rigged the game to cheat the customers.
The big development today. There were suspicions that Justin, who runs the game/room, was in on it from early on. Just smelled fishy. For example, he was the one assuring everyone that there had been an investigation and that there was nothing to worry about.
Today, people pieced this together. Justin was in Vegas for several weeks during the WSOP. During this time, Mike stopped playing in the streamed games. Ruh-ro.
Edit: Worse than that. He played a couple times and suddenly turned mortal. He even had a significant losing session.
You can't make this s*** up.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 2nd, 2019 at 4:04:12 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfSomeone said he got caught cheating in a Mississippi casino playing Blackjack? The Vloggers didn't seem to want to touch that subject.
Does anyone have any more information on this?
Nothing on that specific allegation, but it appears that he finished 3rd on the premiere episode of the Ultimate Blackjack Tour.
Link
If'n I'd a knowed you wanted to have went with me - I'd a seen that you got to get to go.
October 2nd, 2019 at 7:05:36 PM
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2+2 thread now can’t be viewed unless you log in. Now the question of whether I care enough to dig up my login information I haven’t used in 12 years.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
October 2nd, 2019 at 7:31:25 PM
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Quote: unJon2+2 thread now can’t be viewed unless you log in. Now the question of whether I care enough to dig up my login information I haven’t used in 12 years.
I’m not logged in and I can still see the thread.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
October 2nd, 2019 at 7:34:22 PM
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You have probably been on the same window for the last 3 days and wouldn't even notice if you had to re-login or not.Quote: PokerGrinderI’m not logged in and I can still see the thread.
That's okay brother, I'd be guilty of the same thing.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 2nd, 2019 at 7:37:24 PM
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Can someone post up all the relevant Twitter links?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 2nd, 2019 at 7:54:39 PM
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1179531148185100288 😆
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 2nd, 2019 at 9:32:20 PM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=2kDtE9vrRiA
Doug Polk’s video
Doug Polk’s video
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
October 2nd, 2019 at 11:49:52 PM
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What I'm wondering is if people suspected he was doing this quite some time ago I imagine those people just stop playing with him. If you knew the concerns have been brought up and yet no one was doing anything about it and others didn't believe it and still continue to play with him.
I'm surprised someone didn't think to play in all the games he was playing and just not put their cards over the reader so he would have no idea what you had meanwhile is bloating the pots, building equity and pushing everyone else out while you pick your spots and crush him heads up. He would have no idea when to bluff, call or fold, to you. Probably not even paying attention to what you were doing during the hand.
I'm surprised someone didn't think to play in all the games he was playing and just not put their cards over the reader so he would have no idea what you had meanwhile is bloating the pots, building equity and pushing everyone else out while you pick your spots and crush him heads up. He would have no idea when to bluff, call or fold, to you. Probably not even paying attention to what you were doing during the hand.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 3rd, 2019 at 1:57:59 AM
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I see in that thread that some think he might of worn a Bone Conduction Headset in his baseball caps. I guess baseball caps will be the next thing banned at casinos, lol.
https://www.maxvirtual.com/all-products.html#!/Cynaps-Assist-Assistive-Listening-via-Bone-Conduction/p/32772572/category=12180222
https://www.maxvirtual.com/all-products.html#!/Cynaps-Assist-Assistive-Listening-via-Bone-Conduction/p/32772572/category=12180222
