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7craps
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September 30th, 2019 at 9:50:23 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Pretty fun debate is afoot.

no fun at all.
the guy in question is a well known piece of
***** PERIOD

Annette Obrestad run circles around that loser.

She won online events by NOT EVEN looking at her cards.
maybe she lied too (I doubt)



I suggest, make some videos about the freerolls on wsop.com - for example -
how they are allowed to 'offer rigged games' legally.
It IS a freeroll.
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PokerGrinder
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September 30th, 2019 at 9:54:26 PM permalink
Ok I canít read anymore of that thread on 2+2, heís either the best player ever or the stupidest cheater ever. If he actually knows the hole cards it would be so easy to slowly make a lot of money without raising suspicions.

The fact that he apparently (obviously I canít substantiate this claim) passes up bigger soft games to play smaller on steam is a huge red flag. He also racks up when the stream ends (again these are obviously claims I canít prove correct or incorrect).
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AxelWolf
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September 30th, 2019 at 10:39:30 PM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

If he actually knows the hole cards it would be so easy to slowly make a lot of money without raising suspicions.

Since we don't know how he's doing it or who else is involved he may only have a limited time or certain opportunities that allow the hole card information that's available to him. If that's the case, he may feel a sense of urgency to make as much money as fast as possible.

I'm not sure how long has this been going on, however, if he's been doing stuff like this for a decent period of time without anyone noticing he may have felt that no one would ever detect it. He probably thought he could rationalize his crazy play with people thinking he's just a really good player. Some of the commentators actually back this up at times by explaining how and why he's playing so well and what his thought process must have been on certain hands. i.e. Mike P. knows player A didn't have a strong hand on the flop because if player A did... he wouldn't have led out... he would have just checked raised.

There's a certain characteristic someone has that's willing to do this in the first place those same characteristics might come into play with his thinking that he would never get caught.

It's almost as if this guy thinks he has a method that's totally undetectable.

Thanks Rigondeaux for bringing this to our attention this should be very interesting.
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Rigondeaux
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October 1st, 2019 at 12:15:20 AM permalink
If you're up, check out this stream of Joey dismantling hand after hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg34YTF-meA
MidwestAP
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October 1st, 2019 at 3:49:32 AM permalink
Chicago Joey is all over it. Pretty damning evidence as far as I'm concerned. The Stones live stream should be shut down while this is being investigated.
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October 1st, 2019 at 4:20:05 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

try these videos: videos showing him consulting his phone as he decides how he should act



Um. . . .. shown in the videos are live poker games in which the dealer manually shuffles a deck of cards. There were absolutely no RNG involved. Did you even look at any of the materials that were posted? I mean, c'mon !!!!



I did watch but I saw a deck mate i the ones I watched that were posted directly here woops never mind
GWAE
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October 1st, 2019 at 6:26:50 AM permalink
rig, please don't get me into 2+2 again. I was addicted to that forum before coming here. I can only handle 1 full time forum at a time.


I am not familiar with this stream but is it possible that only the crazy winning hands are being shown and there are big loses as well? I am sure 2+2 addresses that but I going to resist the urge to open it up.


more likely though, the stones people are involved in the cheating. Not sure how but probably part of it.
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unJon
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October 1st, 2019 at 6:28:52 AM permalink
Overwhelmingly in the cheating camp. The insane lines on hands. The claim to be a big reader of opponents but head buried in phone during the insane hands. The deletion of linked in accounts that seem to show a linkage to setting up poker shows. Iíd vote guilty if on jury.
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TigerWu
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October 1st, 2019 at 9:04:14 AM permalink
Quote: 7craps


She won online events by NOT EVEN looking at her cards.
maybe she lied too (I doubt)



Totally possible. I had a friend that used to do this, but in real games, not online. He would sometimes play by reading his opponents and doing stuff with his bets based on what cards were exposed, and never looking at his own cards. Don't ask me how, I'm not a poker guy.
billryan
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October 1st, 2019 at 9:20:30 AM permalink
Not saying it is the case here, but if a person could sense.the hole cards, is it cheating?

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