TheOKCPanda
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July 5th, 2019 at 2:34:28 PM permalink
Just remember, you cant pay the rent with +EV. If I'm tenth to act, that's an autofold.
GWAE
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July 5th, 2019 at 2:44:41 PM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

Totally incorrect.

If there are 8 players all in on hand one of a no rebuy/no re-entry tournament then this is a fold every time. Against 8 random hands you have between 25-30% chance of winning the hand. Yes you are the favourite against any one hand but you are roughly a 3-1 underdog against 8 other hands. You are going to be knocked out of the tournament with AA 3 of every 4 times. Yes I know youíll end up with a huge stack the 1/4 you win the hand but thatís not enough to justify calling. If you are a winning player in the field than this is an easy decision.

Edit: even worse I misread op, there are NINE other players not 8.



I have never looked into this situation so I kinda figured aa would be strong but boy am I wrong. Just used my hand analyzer and AA is crushed against 8 other strong hands. I was assuming 8 other decent hands like aa, kk, kk, qj, TT, 77, JJ, and even a random 47. TT wins 22% and even 47 wins 20%.
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AdamWinster
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July 20th, 2019 at 6:04:46 PM permalink
I would fold which then guarantees me 2nd prize. If I call its more likely I get knocked out and win nothing.
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AxelWolf
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July 20th, 2019 at 6:24:41 PM permalink
If you are a pro poker player isn't time a factor? If you bust out immediately, you can use that time to play other tournament or cash game. A tourney player should be looking to enter as many good tournaments as possible, assuming hes playing well. Also, given a bigger stack like that if you win the hand, you should be able to amplify your skill and even have a better chance to win.

There are other psychological factors that come in to play if you win a hand like that.
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RS
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July 20th, 2019 at 7:24:16 PM permalink
Seems like a fold to me. Not because Iím that good at poker, but because I talked to someone about a hand/situation like that and he said to fold ó or at least he made it seem like folding AA is going to be a lot more likely, early in a tournament.

Time and size of tournament are obviously a factor. If itís like the WSOP, then fold. A big early stack isnít all that helpful AFAICT. If itís a smaller tournament where you need to run it up and perhaps winner take all, then Iíd think shoving is probably the right play.

Also how good you are compared to everyone else. If youíre way better than everyone else, then folding is going to lean towards the smarter play, because you can grind your way up. If youíre a trash can player (like me), then shoving is closer to the better play because your only hope is by getting lucky.

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ChumpChange
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July 20th, 2019 at 10:53:29 PM permalink
If you fold, you'll be heads-up against the big stack for the rest of your time at the table. I'd go for the tie unless there's a reason to fold for 2nd place, like substantial prize money.
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tringlomane
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July 20th, 2019 at 11:10:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If you are a pro poker player isn't time a factor? If you bust out immediately, you can use that time to play other tournament or cash game. A tourney player should be looking to enter as many good tournaments as possible, assuming hes playing well. Also, given a bigger stack like that if you win the hand, you should be able to amplify your skill and even have abetter chance to win.

There are other psychological factors that come in to play if you win a hand like that.



Yeah you can enter other tourneys if you bust out.

The biggest problem with this ridiculous scenario is you're very likely to be against the other AA. But if both the AAs hold you'll have the 5X the starting stack.

If somehow you KNEW you had the only AA, i definitely call. Otherwise, it's close. Im not sure how much more likely an immediate 5X stack lets you cash.
AxelWolf
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July 20th, 2019 at 11:29:50 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Yeah you can enter other tourneys if you bust out.

The biggest problem with this ridiculous scenario is you're very likely to be against the other AA. But if both the AAs hold you'll have the 5X the starting stack.

If somehow you KNEW you had the only AA, i definitely call. Otherwise, it's close. Im not sure how much more likely an immediate 5X stack lets you cash.

And what are the odds that two people have pocket aces in that situation? It's much more likely people have Ace King Suited. I guess there's no way to calculate the actual odds, because the fact that people are going all-in makes it much more likely someone does have Aces as well.

As chump change mentioned, now you're going be up against somebody with a big stack. That would certainly negate some of the, "I'm a better player" theory. Unless, you have a significant proven track record, I don't know how someone can reasonably say how much better they are than the rest of the field especially when you haven't even played two hands yet. Sure you can get a feeling by looking around at the people playing in the tournament. Since you don't really have that information, I would believe it's best to rely on the the information that you do have and that's if you fold you will likely be up against a much bigger stack.

FYI I'm not saying what one is better, I'm just talking about the situation and other factors, it may not be as clear-cut as many might believe. I mean, we don't even know what the structure of the tournament is. I would also have to think it would depend on what your goal is.

p.s. someone was saying how we don't talk about poker and various other games around here, where is he at?
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tringlomane
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July 21st, 2019 at 12:41:36 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

And what are the odds that two people have pocket aces in that situation? It's much more likely people have Ace King Suited. I guess there's no way to calculate the actual odds, because the fact that people are going all-in makes it much more likely someone does have Aces as well.

As chump change mentioned, now you're going be up against somebody with a big stack. That would certainly negate some of the, "I'm a better player" theory. Unless, you have a significant proven track record, I don't know how someone can reasonably say how much better they are than the rest of the field especially when you haven't even played two hands yet. Sure you can get a feeling by looking around at the people playing in the tournament. Since you don't really have that information, I would believe it's best to rely on the the information that you do have and that's if you fold you will likely be up against a much bigger stack.

FYI I'm not saying what one is better, I'm just talking about the situation and other factors, it may not be as clear-cut as many might believe. I mean, we don't even know what the structure of the tournament is. I would also have to think it would depend on what your goal is.

p.s. someone was saying how we don't talk about poker and various other games around here, where is he at?



Facing EIGHT all-ins? About 99.99999%.

AA vs AA all-in has happened to me multiple times online. I don't think it ever happened 4 way, let alone 9 way...
SOOPOO
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July 21st, 2019 at 6:12:53 AM permalink
I think I like Gordon's response. Something fishy must be going on for the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th guys going all in.

This is sort of like the question of would you bet on a yo after 17 yo's in a row. The premise is so outlandish you can't rationally answer the question.

I'd say a better question to ask a more realistic question, like would you go in first hand of WSOP main event if two people shoved first hand and you have AA in big blind? A novice like me would call. Negreanu, Chan, Hellmuth instafold. They know over time they can beat most tables. I know over time I get beaten.

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