Greasyjohn
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January 2nd, 2014 at 12:33:03 PM permalink
I saw a guy on YouTube just call with the nuts, and that's against the rules. Is the rule in place so that players don't go easy on friends or confederates?
Ibeatyouraces
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January 2nd, 2014 at 12:34:15 PM permalink
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AxelWolf
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January 2nd, 2014 at 1:59:47 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Yes. It's to prevent collusion.

Ya, I think its dumb Its probably more so, so the casinos get max rake. I ran into this a few weeks ago, I can't remember what casino. Some guy just called with the nut flush. Of course the table caption(i don't know why, but when i say, table caption, I think of some guy like Bob) notices he just called, as we all noticed. The table caption made a big deal of it for no reason. The kid who made this mistake was a newbie and didn't realize he had the nuts, because the ace was on board and he had the king in his hand.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
thecesspit
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January 2nd, 2014 at 2:05:50 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Ya, I think its dumb Its probably more so, so the casinos get max rake. I ran into this a few weeks ago, I can't remember what casino. Some guy just called with the nut flush. Of course the table caption(i don't know why, but when i say, table caption, I think of some guy like Bob) notices he just called, as we all noticed. The table caption made a big deal of it for no reason. The kid who made this mistake was a newbie and didn't realize he had the nuts, because the ace was on board and he had the king in his hand.



The Table Captain? Those guys are the worst, and the best I found to get up and leave a table when I was having a 50/50 time of it.

Players should be able to play their hand the way they see fit, even if that is flat calling the nuts. It's a bluffingame, after all. Maybe I'm playing dumb for a later hand/ Maybe I know a raise is pointless at this juncture. Gah.
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Stoney
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January 2nd, 2014 at 2:20:14 PM permalink
what if it's a situation where you want to see the guys hand? maybe you think you picked up on a tell and want to see what he has. maybe you just want to embarass him. if you raise, he folds, and you get nothing more than the money you would have won anyways.
Ibeatyouraces
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January 2nd, 2014 at 2:24:38 PM permalink
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AxelWolf
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January 2nd, 2014 at 2:28:14 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

The Table Captain? Those guys are the worst, and the best I found to get up and leave a table when I was having a 50/50 time of it.

Players should be able to play their hand the way they see fit, even if that is flat calling the nuts. It's a bluffingame, after all. Maybe I'm playing dumb for a later hand/ Maybe I know a raise is pointless at this juncture. Gah.

I agree, there are a few different situations you may just want to call with the nuts. One reason might be: A guy bets small on the river, you are 100% sure he will fold if you raise, however you want to see his hand. I know some places have a rule, you can ask to see the hand, but that creates conflict. Some places don't have that rule, unless you suspect cheating. Also some guy could just toss his hand in the muck.

There could be a situation where raising will only cause the rake to inflate and you have a nut split hand.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
98Clubs
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January 2nd, 2014 at 2:48:11 PM permalink
Quote: Stoney

what if it's a situation where you want to see the guys hand? maybe you think you picked up on a tell and want to see what he has. maybe you just want to embarass him. if you raise, he folds, and you get nothing more than the money you would have won anyways.



Stoney raises a good point. You might have picked up a tell, especially after being re-raised earlier. Other than that, its juice for the rake.
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Ayecarumba
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January 2nd, 2014 at 2:53:24 PM permalink
I recall this happened in the WSOP a few years ago, when the, "lumberjack" guy had a flush but did not bet. He was penalized one orbit of blinds. I recall that a straight flush would be possible with the board cards, so I was puzzled since he didn't technically have the "nuts".
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sodawater
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January 2nd, 2014 at 5:48:09 PM permalink
this is a stupid rule and it is not in effect in NJ.

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