HotBlonde Challenge Round 2
Quote: AxelWolfWhat side are you looking for? Ill give you slightly better than even money on the no. I wanted to see how much action came in. And if she was planning on using that one weight loss site or any other forum.
Ill need your money escrowed (-;
Weight loss site?
Quote: HotBlondeWeight loss site?
Dietbet.com
Quote: AxelWolfWhat side are you looking for? Ill give you slightly better than even money on the no. I wanted to see how much action came in. And if she was planning on using that one weight loss site or any other forum.
Ill need your money escrowed (-;
You can bet me at 20 to 1 that I can't lose 20 pounds. That's probably the fair line. ;-)
You're hooked on this 10 days thing so I was wondering...
If we went with your original plan I would need to weigh in at 164.6 or less on May 13th and then be 164.6 or less on May 23rd, 10 days later. What if we made the bet to where I have to weigh in at 164.6 or less on May 3rd and then again 10 days later on May 13th and then it's done. That way you get your 10 day thing in, I get to enjoy my birthday, and you'll have more of a chance of winning since I'll have to weigh my target weight earlier than before.
What do you think? I'm not saying 100% that I'd do this yet, I'd have to crunch some numbers first and see if I think I'd be able to do it on my end.
Members and thinking of some other stipulations I would want I think I'll just let it go, not in love with the 1-1 price and other factors that could go into it.
Good luck
Quote: WizardofnothingThat is why I decided against it
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Quote: houyiFor those of you taking this bet, or for those of you who took the first bet however long ago, I would like to ask out of genuine curiosity: why would you take this bet? It is so easy to game this sort of thing in a myriad of honest (at least by the letter of the bet) ways, and several more dishonest ways. Was it merely entertainment value, an altruistic drive to encourage OP to live healthier, or did you honestly believe a straight up bet in this scenario was plus EV (and if you did, why?)? I apologize if this post comes off as snarky, and I truly mean no disrespect or judgment; I am simply genuinely curious.
If it was that easy to drop 100 pounds then obesity wouldn't be an epidemic.
Quote: houyiFor those of you taking this bet, or for those of you who took the first bet however long ago, I would like to ask out of genuine curiosity: why would you take this bet? It is so easy to game this sort of thing in a myriad of honest (at least by the letter of the bet) ways, and several more dishonest ways. Was it merely entertainment value, an altruistic drive to encourage OP to live healthier, or did you honestly believe a straight up bet in this scenario was plus EV (and if you did, why?)? I apologize if this post comes off as snarky, and I truly mean no disrespect or judgment; I am simply genuinely curious.
I did think the bet was +EV for me. The number of people that actually lose 100 + pounds without weight loss surgery is miniscule. But I was always rooting for her to succeed. As far as the insinuations that somehow she would somehow 'game' the bet, I was never worried about that. It was just a gentleperson's agreement that she wouldn't take diuretics or have weight loss surgery. I lost the bet, and was happy to pay her. I believe that Mike would echo these sentiments.
Quote: GWAEIf it was that easy to drop 100 pounds then obesity wouldn't be an epidemic.
To lose 100 lbs of pure fat, sure, that's very tough. But as I and others have mentioned throughout this thread, we're not talking about 100 lbs of pure fat. The number can be easily gamed at both ends without breaking the letter of the agreement. Secondly, as written, OP doesn't have to keep it off for any period of time, which is the real trick (and is the real reason obesity is epidemic, as plenty of yo-yo dieters lose a significant amount of weight only to pack it back on, e.g. Biggest Loser contestants). And thirdly, as bet size increases, so does incentive. A secret bet between two people about a third party's weight loss is much more likely to be plus EV than a bet in which the third party participates. If the government decided to give all obese people a significant tax rebate for dropping weight, and a significant tax penalty for remaining obese (if such a thing could actually be legal), I would wager a hefty sum that obesity rates would be slashed across the country.
Quote: SOOPOOI did think the bet was +EV for me. The number of people that actually lose 100 + pounds without weight loss surgery is miniscule. But I was always rooting for her to succeed. As far as the insinuations that somehow she would somehow 'game' the bet, I was never worried about that. It was just a gentleperson's agreement that she wouldn't take diuretics or have weight loss surgery. I lost the bet, and was happy to pay her. I believe that Mike would echo these sentiments.
Rooting to lose a bet isn't bad when you bet against your lifelong team in the Super Bowl. In this case, you were wishing and dreaming in a wager where you were the only gentleman. Who knows, but the Mike I like to believe in thought he had a good bet, paid when he lost and learned from it for the next time, never letting emotion play into it. He knows better.
Quote: BozRooting to lose a bet isn't bad when you bet against your lifelong team in the Super Bowl. In this case, you were wishing and dreaming in a wager where you were the only gentleman. Who knows, but the Mike I like to believe in thought he had a good bet, paid when he lost and learned from it for the next time, never letting emotion play into it. He knows better.
Mike is wanting to bet against me this time too.
Quote: houyiFor those of you taking this bet, or for those of you who took the first bet however long ago, I would like to ask out of genuine curiosity: why would you take this bet? .
I didn't bet the first time, but was behind
her because she seemed like a person that
I later realized she wasn't. I think that
happened to a lot of those that did make
bets. I can't go into details because I would
say suspension worthy things about her,
why bother.
Dietbet.com are you doing that or anything similar?Quote: HotBlondeWeight loss site?
Also you said maybe some exercise? I don't know much about losing weight however I assumed one would have to do more than diet. How do you plan on losing the weight?
Quote: houyiTo lose 100 lbs of pure fat, sure, that's very tough. But as I and others have mentioned throughout this thread, we're not talking about 100 lbs of pure fat. The number can be easily gamed at both ends without breaking the letter of the agreement.
You keep missing the point.... I UNDERSTAND, and UNDERSTOOD, that at the end, if she was a few pounds short of her goal she could sweat of 5 or 10 pounds of water. That would not be 'gaming the bet', but rather, an acceptable way for her to win the bet. The only exclusions were diuretics and surgery. I was confident that she could not achieve the 100 pound loss. I was wrong. And I don't remember the exact weight, but she did it easily.
What strikes me about this thread is how many think that a small financial incentive would be enough for most women of her size to lose this 125 pounds. I would think there are very few who could do it, even for a much more sizable incentive.
Quote: SOOPOOYou keep missing the point.... I UNDERSTAND, and UNDERSTOOD, that at the end, if she was a few pounds short of her goal she could sweat of 5 or 10 pounds of water. That would not be 'gaming the bet', but rather, an acceptable way for her to win the bet. The only exclusions were diuretics and surgery. I was confident that she could not achieve the 100 pound loss. I was wrong. And I don't remember the exact weight, but she did it easily.
What strikes me about this thread is how many think that a small financial incentive would be enough for most women of her size to lose this 125 pounds. I would think there are very few who could do it, even for a much more sizable incentive.
What strikes me is educated, intelligent people willing to be suckered again. I can only guess on the motivation when hopeing to lose a bet. I guess I just grew up in an era when my younger employees told me about Craigslist and Backpage. But I always understood to follow the money and nothing is impossible.
Quote: WizardofnothingAlso there was one other issue that someone brought up, have you had a physical lately ? Hiv test? Because if you contracted an illness that we did no know about you could have a much more rapid weight loss
Without a doubt, in my mind, post of the year!!!!
Quote: WizardofnothingAlso there was one other issue that someone brought up, have you had a physical lately ? Hiv test? Because if you contracted an illness that we did no know about you could have a much more rapid weight loss
For a large sum of money I would be worried about something like that. I would also want a dna test that it was the same person. In a bet like before where people had a few hundred on the line in wouldn't be worried about that.
Quote: WizardofnothingWasn't trying to be funny but yea it could be cancer or- breast cancer if you had big boobies and had to have a double mastectomy also.
And a guy had a leg cut off during sex in Mexico. If enough money is involved, anything is possible.
See Titanic Thompson
Quote: WizardofnothingAlso there was one other issue that someone brought up, have you had a physical lately ? Hiv test? Because if you contracted an illness that we did no know about you could have a much more rapid weight loss
I think trying to test or check for every possible condition is ridiculous and impossible. Just factor what you think the chances of all scenarios are into your bet and odds.
Quote: BozWhat strikes me is educated, intelligent people willing to be suckered again. I can only guess on the motivation when hopeing to lose a bet. I guess I just grew up in an era when my younger employees told me about Craigslist and Backpage. But I always understood to follow the money and nothing is impossible.
If you are referring to me, I was not suckered... I lost a bet. I don't want to go over the entire old thread, but I lost a couple of dollars a day over the length of the thread. I am confident that HB was the original person weighed, that she was the winning person weighed, and that she did it within the rules.
I can understand others not wanting to be involved in such a bet, and I won't be involved this time, but I stand by my comment that if you rounded up 100 women weighing 300 pounds and offered $10,000 for any of them who could lose 125 pounds in 10 months you would only find a few who could or would do it.
Quote: DRichI think trying to test or check for every possible condition is ridiculous and impossible. Just factor what you think the chances of all scenarios are into your bet and odds.
And I learned years ago, never hustle a hustler. To each his own.
Quote: SOOPOOIf you are referring to me, I was not suckered... I lost a bet. I don't want to go over the entire old thread, but I lost a couple of dollars a day over the length of the thread. I am confident that HB was the original person weighed, that she was the winning person weighed, and that she did it within the rules.
I can understand others not wanting to be involved in such a bet, and I won't be involved this time, but I stand by my comment that if you rounded up 100 women weighing 300 pounds and offered $10,000 for any of them who could lose 125 pounds in 10 months you would only find a few who could or would do it.
I'm referring to anyone willing to make the bet again. She proved she could do it. Where is the benefit for the bettor in betting against her this time?
I didn't think you were a sucker(nor do i think boz was saying that). Question: If it was someone other than HB would you bet heavy?Quote: SOOPOOIf you are referring to me, I was not suckered... I lost a bet. I don't want to go over the entire old thread, but I lost a couple of dollars a day over the length of the thread. I am confident that HB was the original person weighed, that she was the winning person weighed, and that she did it within the rules.
I can understand others not wanting to be involved in such a bet, and I won't be involved this time, but I stand by my comment that if you rounded up 100 women weighing 300 pounds and offered $10,000 for any of them who could lose 125 pounds in 10 months you would only find a few who could or would do it.
OH boy, NVM l'll resist.Quote: GWAEFor a large sum of money I would be worried about something like that. I would also want a dna test that it was the same person. In a bet like before where people had a few hundred on the line in wouldn't be worried about that.
Quote: AxelWolfOH boy, NVM l'll resist.
I just want to make it clear that I was not insinuating any shenanigans here. I was just meaning for thay kind of money I would want that stuff unless it was someone i personally knew well
No, no I had a joke for ya regarding dna.Quote: GWAEI just want to make it clear that I was not insinuating any shenanigans here. I was just meaning for thay kind of money I would want that stuff unless it was someone i personally knew well
For men, confidence is always going to be number one. Women can smell insecurity, and if they notice that, the guy is generally dead in the water. Also, maybe it's my generation, but women generally don't really seem to care about money nearly as much as men seem to assume they do. I think a young starving musician who is confident with himself will do much better with attractive girls than a rich older guy who owns a chain of (insert unsexy small business here). Quote Ends:
Its more a question of Potential. Having money is fine, potential for keeping it and earning more is even finer. Money and height are indicators of past and future success; lack of confidence is an indicator of future failure and loss of money. So a wealthy seller of toilets is fine, but if he lacks social skills, his personality defect really counts against him as a financial defect, rather than a social one. He will not be able to do battle in the economic world if he can not do battle in a singles bar. He may have inherited his money or he may have been hard working and lucky, but defects in skills are risks to all his accumulated capital. So the musically gifted and socially gifted man is viewed as being a good warrior who has not yet prevailed. He is not YET rich, but he has potential. He is sort of like a good poker player who is just starting out versus a poker player who inherited a large stake and uses it to cow the opposition.
Women favor Present wealth but also take a long term view of future wealth defects. Couth is nice; but an uncouth man may still be a success in the business world. His evaluation by women is an assessment of both present financial ability and future financial ability.
Plumpness has always been a sign of fertility in a female, but a man's assessment is related to the Trophy Looks of the wife rather than the trophy kids at home that she has produced.
Quite true. Those who were desperate and underwent surgery wound up feeling full if they ate Three Green Peas. So they substituted over eating with: sex, gambling, exercise, and other bad habits. They didn't go out to art galleries or make new friends or enjoy canoeing, etc.Quote: WizardofnothingI think more of an issue is keeping it off- if the incentive was right almost anyone (not everyone) can take off weight - keeping it off is a oroblem
Giving up booze for Starbucks Frappachinos is easy, but giving up booze for a healthy lifestyle is hard to do.
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Please note, that post was a general comment in response to the quoted material and was not intended to either suggest or exclude its applicability to any specific person.
Quote: WizardofnothingI believe mike only betting 300 and I took that of more as a favor- no one else besides me was jumping in and then I was pmed and text messages by others advising me not to get involved.
I'm not sure about the text messages but if you're talking about PM's from EvenBob those shouldn't have any weight in your decision. SOOPOO said he received over a dozen PM's from EvenBob during my first challenge telling him not to pay me.
Quote: AxelWolfDietbet.com are you doing that or anything similar?
Also you said maybe some exercise? I don't know much about losing weight however I assumed one would have to do more than diet. How do you plan on losing the weight?
I'm not doing that site or anything similar. I don't even know what that is.
I'm planning on losing weight by restricting my calories and starting NEXT week (not this week) I will put in the equivalent of walking 45 minutes 5 days a week.
Quote: WizardofnothingAlso there was one other issue that someone brought up, have you had a physical lately ? Hiv test? Because if you contracted an illness that we did no know about you could have a much more rapid weight loss
This is hilarious but no, I do not have any illnesses.
Quote: WizardofnothingYou may want to stay away from disclosing pms Mike has told me its COMPELTELY UNALLOWED which is why I was vague- you pretty much just opened up soopoo to a suspension for publically stating that he disclosed even bobs pms
SOOPOO told me this in 2012 and I'm pretty sure it was even posted about in the original weight loss challenge thread.
Quote: WizardofnothingWell it wasn't even bob- but at least 5 others - who shall remain nameless- I'm still in for 500 just to give you some action if you want but there are too many other issues when you start to increase the amount
OK, so in for $500 that I weigh 164.6 or less on May 13th with no 10 day rule added?
Do you perhaps mean that you will sit for fifteen minutes inside a large commercial freezer?Quote: HotBlondeI will put in the equivalent of walking 45 minutes 5 days a week.
Its a statement that seems very artfully worded, which strikes me as a form of unusual discourse adopted for a specific purpose.
Perhaps I should have kept my promise and stayed out of this thread.
Quote: FleaStiffDo you perhaps mean that you will sit for fifteen minutes inside a large commercial freezer?
Its a statement that seems very artfully worded, which strikes me as a form of unusual discourse adopted for a specific purpose.
Perhaps I should have kept my promise and stayed out of this thread.
What in the world are you even talking about? I'm hearing a cuckoo clock go off.
Quote: WizardofnothingCorrect
Ok well I'm game. I'm weighing myself tomorrow morning so I need you and Mike to decide if you want some sort of proof or something. I usually weigh myself naked but obviously if I have to video record myself I'm going to have to wear at least a bikini or something and we can deduct the weight of the bikini (and this will not be a pleasant sight I assure you). Or if you want I can create a sign and take a picture of it with the scale or something. I don't know. I don't know if you guys need some kind of proof or something.
Quote: HotBlondeOK, so in for $500 that I weigh 164.6 or less on May 13th with no 10 day rule added?
HB,
What odds are currently available for me to bet against you? Mostly to encourage you.
Only special conditions pretty much being.
Weight loss to be down to 165lb in bikini
No tissue removal surgery ( You can have a stomach band fitted if you wish )
If you fall pregnant or have significant illness, we can call the bet off by mutual consent.
I don't care if you use diuretics or other supplements.
End weigh in to be witnessed by a member here or a physician or videoed on a digital scale or you forfeit.
And I don't care what others advise me against placing the bet: I'll decide based on the odds available and my own judgement.
Quote: OnceDearHB,
What odds are currently available for me to bet against you? Mostly to encourage you.
Only special conditions pretty much being.
Weight loss to be down to 165lb in bikini
No tissue removal surgery ( You can have a stomach band fitted if you wish )
If you fall pregnant or have significant illness, we can call the bet off by mutual consent.
I don't care if you use diuretics or other supplements.
End weigh in to be witnessed by a member here or a physician or videoed on a digital scale or you forfeit.
And I don't care what others advise me against placing the bet: I'll decide based on the odds available and my own judgement.
Yes, we have to all agree on the terms. I'm waiting to hear from Mike on the subject. I live in Los Angeles and will most likely be here on my birthday if not already on vacation. But in regards to the odds Mike, when I spoke to him a while back on this, had suggested 1:1. Again, I'm waiting to hear from him on all of this.
