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February 11th, 2015 at 3:53:58 PM permalink
I'm posting to "Other Games" because there is no clear-cut domain for blackjack side bets.

Mohegan Sun has announced they will be "the ONLY location [of six casinos] in New England" offering Super 4 Progressive Blackjack starting in March. The highly doubtful claim is made "When the dealer gets Blackjack, everyone at the table wins!" The progressive pot starts at $50K. A 4-card poker hand formed with your cards and the dealer's determines the payout. It will be available "at most Blackjack tables." I can't locate information about this specific side bet. Does anyone out there have information, such as a pay table? Rules? House edge? I'll pass on Mohegan Sun's advice to "ask your friendly Dealer" for offical rules. Yeah. Right.
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February 25th, 2015 at 11:44:08 AM permalink
Information on this game has not been forthcoming and what little that has should not be considered 100% reliable. Here's what's out there as of today.

Most dealers have finished their training.

The side bet is $5 and $5 only. It is not mandatory.

All tables will have this side bet. The circle will be to the left of the blackjack bet as Match The Dealer will be retained in it's usual place.

Nothing can happen unless the dealer has a blackjack. Only then will there be payouts mostly based on poker hands. There's even a payout for cards of the same color, not suits just red or black.

That's it so far and it's subject to change. Can't wait to watch players root for the dealer to get a blackjack. :-(
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February 25th, 2015 at 12:44:41 PM permalink
Thanks, 1BB! I find it odd that I can't locate any Internet-based information about this side bet. Nothing on the casino web site. I would expect the side bet is being shopped around for casinos in general and thus would have some commercial information posted.

Sounds like Mohegan Sun is "all in" on this side bet if they are going to put new felt on every blackjack table. Perhaps that is driven by the progressive jackpot element. If every table is being changed I'm wary of some other undesirable change piggy-backing on the activity, like a change to H17. I'm surprised to hear "every table" since the pit at the Bow & Arrow bar hasn't had any side bets yet. (That pit seems to be run by a crew separate from the rest of the casino.)

Hmmm... maybe the Pocono and Resorts tables will be part of the jackpot.
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February 25th, 2015 at 1:03:13 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Information on this game has not been forthcoming and what little that has should not be considered 100% reliable. Here's what's out there as of today.

Most dealers have finished their training.

The side bet is $5 and $5 only. It is not mandatory.

All tables will have this side bet. The circle will be to the left of the blackjack bet as Match The Dealer will be retained in it's usual place.

Nothing can happen unless the dealer has a blackjack. Only then will there be payouts mostly based on poker hands. There's even a payout for cards of the same color, not suits just red or black.

That's it so far and it's subject to change. Can't wait to watch players root for the dealer to get a blackjack. :-(



Good information, Thanks! With them going all in on it, I'm sure it is a nice HA for them.
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February 25th, 2015 at 1:07:00 PM permalink
There go the hands per hour, at least in the beginning.
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February 25th, 2015 at 1:37:28 PM permalink
FWIW, I'm finding that nearly all sidebets have an independent HA from the main game (including ALL that are optional that I've seen), and so one should be the same and not affect how they deal the game. If they're seeding with 50K and only running it one place, it makes sense to me that they're offering it on all tables; they need a large player base to pay a top hand that high and up. Also inferring from your saying there's not a lot of info, that they may have developed it in house and it's not being marketed/distributed elsewhere. I'll be interested to hear what-all it's about; thanks for the heads'-up!

Edit: It does seem interesting that they're putting it on all BJ; are they all the same number of decks at their tables? Maybe they'll field different pay tables to compensate.
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February 25th, 2015 at 2:43:50 PM permalink
There are over 100 blackjack tables at the Connecticut Mohegan Sun. They are all 6 deck S17 with the exception of five H17 tables, still 6 deck, that are $5 minimums that never increase. It will be interesting especially in light of the fact that, in my opinion, they blew it with Free Bet.
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March 2nd, 2015 at 9:24:10 AM permalink
Tables are being outfitted as I post. One pit in the Sky Casino has been completed and will open around noon. Work in the Winter Casino is almost complete. The felts are the same but are being replaced to accommodate the electrical work. The tables have to be stripped because of the sensors. Each betting circle has a round, red plastic sensor in the 12 o'clock position directly above it where the $5 chip is to be placed. Each table has an electronic sign displaying the progressive bonus and even has the pit number and table number on it. There is a device in the center portion of the tray that has a start button for the dealer to press and also shows the six seat positions. We've seen these on other games.

This bet is $5 only. To play simply place a $5 chip on the sensor. Nothing happens unless the dealer gets a blackjack. When that occurs, players combine their two cards with the dealer's blackjack to make a four card hand. These are the payouts.

Royal Flush (Diamonds) 100% of progressive

Royal Flush 10% of progressive
(Spades, Hearts & Clubs)

Trips $750

Straight $500

Flush $400

Two Pair $300

Same Color $100

Pair $75

Any Hand $25

The progressive, before any play this morning, was at $60,479.16. I don't know if that is a true number or if it will be reset to $50,000.

Original wagers are not returned.

I'm told that every table will have this game, including the $500 minimum pit in the Sky Casino.

In the lower left hand corner of the rack card is an IN BET gaming logo with the website inbetgaming.com.

It should be interesting to see what the house edge is. What say you miplet et al?
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March 2nd, 2015 at 11:58:32 AM permalink
So a 5 for 1 payment instantly when the dealer has a blackjack.
15 for 1 if you have any ace or matching face card or a dealt pair.
20 for 1 for all four cards the same color, I presume?
60 for 1 for matching blackjacks (AQ v AQ)
80 for 1 for all four cards the same suit
100 for 1 for a 20 that completes the AKQJ, 10s can't fit.
150 for 1 for AA or a paired 20 that matches the dealer's face.
10% for the suited 20 that completes the suited AKQJ
100% if it's diamonds.

Not a bad looking game from the casino's standpoint. Looks like it'll be fun for the recreational player because the sting of a dealer blackjack is alleviated (even players who are betting $25 will be happy because WOW LOOK A BONUS). The hands seem simple to read and pay quickly. I'm sure the house edge must be enormous, since the hit frequency is only 4.83%. Any word on whether all payouts are paid out of the progressive jackpot or just the top two?

This might be countable though since a lot of emphasis seems to be placed on face cards.

I wonder if any other casinos have it or will pick it up, perhaps as a $1 bet.
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March 2nd, 2015 at 12:15:54 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

It should be interesting to see what the house edge is. What say you miplet et al?


The same Color payout is being evil to my poor spreadsheet. I'll try and finish it tomorrow Wednesday.
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