EvenBob
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October 2nd, 2022 at 1:46:22 PM permalink
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There is not one bit of data supporting the original claim or EB's claim. That is enough for me to dismiss these claims as noise that would just distract me from the task at hand..
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All I can speak for is roulette I've no idea about any other casino games. When they first put in the Bally roulette machines that looked exactly like the game of roulette I started testing them and a casino employee who knew me asked me what I was doing. Didn't I know these machines were rigged to pay off like slot machines? That they were registered with the State as slot machines and we're programmed to always turn a profit. I remember about a month after that I was walking by them and I noticed that somebody's last bet has been to put 50 Cent on every number including zeros and leave number 2 with no bet. Guess what the winning number was? Number 2. When those machines were first installed you couldn't find one that somebody wasn't playing and 2 months later nobody was playing because you couldn't win like you do in regular roulette
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October 2nd, 2022 at 2:26:33 PM permalink
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There is not one bit of data supporting the original claim or EB's claim. That is enough for me to dismiss these claims as noise that would just distract me from the task at hand..
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All I can speak for is roulette I've no idea about any other casino games. When they first put in the Bally roulette machines that looked exactly like the game of roulette I started testing them and a casino employee who knew me asked me what I was doing. Didn't I know these machines were rigged to pay off like slot machines? That they were registered with the State as slot machines and we're programmed to always turn a profit. I remember about a month after that I was walking by them and I noticed that somebody's last bet has been to put 50 Cent on every number including zeros and leave number 2 with no bet. Guess what the winning number was? Number 2. When those machines were first installed you couldn't find one that somebody wasn't playing and 2 months later nobody was playing because you couldn't win like you do in regular roulette
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Ask any real AP what to do when an employee shares their knowledge and it's absolutely DO NOT believe them because 99% of Casino employees are clueless and handing out bad information.

So when someone who claims AP skills mentions how they received guidance from a casino employee, any employee, I go "yep, that's not an advantage Player."
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October 2nd, 2022 at 3:06:28 PM permalink
In this forum, whenever anyone accuses a casino of cheating at a game such as BJ, the usual WOV suspects start posting that millions of hands are necessary to accumulate the kind of statistics that are necessary to conclude that a game is unfair. That's the reasoning used by salaried casino advocates on this WOV forum to squash any claims of crooked casino games.

Therefore, it is simply fanciful nonsense that your personal hand histories from an online casino are enough to demonstrate that an online BJ game is unfair. Because you haven't played millions of hands. Bad results overs tens of thousands of hands are explainable as simply bad variance.

Hand histories in poker are different, because they can exhibit online players making inexplicable decisions to consistently win hands.

Would anyone doubt this statement:

Ever since we have had an internet, there have always been online casinos with unfair games. There may (or may not) be jurisdictions where online games are well regulated, but there have always been online casinos headquartered in the Caribbean, and other parts of the world where regulations are just a rumor and where 'game integrity' is a lie. There are so many nations where corruption is a way of life and where regulators can be bribed to look the other way, I don't see how anyone can sit in their wide chairs here in the US and make some of the statements that were made earlier in this thread.
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October 2nd, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM permalink
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Ask any real AP what to do when an employee shares their knowledge and it's absolutely DO NOT believe them because 99% of Casino employees are clueless and handing out bad information.

So when someone who claims AP skills mentions how they received guidance from a casino employee, any employee, I go "yep, that's not an advantage Player."
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The guy who told me was an assistant manager for slots so he knew what he was talking about. He was also somebody that I knew when he worked at another casino so we were on a very friendly basis. I would trust anything he told me.
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October 2nd, 2022 at 4:59:03 PM permalink
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Ask any real AP what to do when an employee shares their knowledge and it's absolutely DO NOT believe them because 99% of Casino employees are clueless and handing out bad information.

So when someone who claims AP skills mentions how they received guidance from a casino employee, any employee, I go "yep, that's not an advantage Player."
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The guy who told me was an assistant manager for slots so he knew what he was talking about. He was also somebody that I knew when he worked at another casino so we were on a very friendly basis. I would trust anything he told me.
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October 2nd, 2022 at 5:16:59 PM permalink
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Ask any real AP what to do when an employee shares their knowledge and it's absolutely DO NOT believe them because 99% of Casino employees are clueless and handing out bad information.

So when someone who claims AP skills mentions how they received guidance from a casino employee, any employee, I go "yep, that's not an advantage Player."
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The guy who told me was an assistant manager for slots so he knew what he was talking about. He was also somebody that I knew when he worked at another casino so we were on a very friendly basis. I would trust anything he told me.
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I don't doubt your friend believed he was telling you correct information.

I'm just stating that most Casino employees are completely in the dark as to how things work. This applies to assistant management as well.

Part of the problem with Casino employees is they don't care. It's a job to them and they aren't studying the facts.

It's highly likely the assistant manager you trust was himself told this information from another employee he believes and a cycle of inaccurate information is ongoing.

The Last thing an assistant manager is doing is research into how games on their floors work. They are simply interested in patrons dropping money and helping their manager make a profit.

When Casino employees go home they place their minds on everything but their jobs. The football game, how to cheat on their spouse, what to have for dinner, etc.

Advantage Players however, when they leave the casino are concentrated nearly non-stop on how to use their information to take down the Casinos.

It's more than a job to Advantage Players. It's a mission.
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EvenBob
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October 2nd, 2022 at 5:18:59 PM permalink
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Ask any real AP what to do when an employee shares their knowledge and it's absolutely DO NOT believe them because 99% of Casino employees are clueless and handing out bad information.

So when someone who claims AP skills mentions how they received guidance from a casino employee, any employee, I go "yep, that's not an advantage Player."
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The guy who told me was an assistant manager for slots so he knew what he was talking about. He was also somebody that I knew when he worked at another casino so we were on a very friendly basis. I would trust anything he told me.
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I don't doubt your friend believed he was telling you correct information.

I'm just stating that most Casino employees are completely in the dark as to how things work. This applies to assistant management as well.

Part of the problem with Casino employees is they don't care. It's a job to them and they aren't studying the facts.

It's highly likely the assistant manager you trust was himself told this information from another employee he believes and a cycle of inaccurate information is ongoing.

The Last thing an assistant manager is doing is research into how games on their floors work. They are simply interested in patrons dropping money and helping their manager make a profit.

When Casino employees go home they place their minds on everything but their jobs. The football game, how to cheat in their spouse, what to have for dinner, etc.

Advantage Players however, when they leave the casino are concentrated nearly non-stop on how to use their information to take down the Casinos.

It's more than a job to Advantage Players. It's a mission.
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Let me think. Who do I trust somebody who I've known works for the casinos for years and years or you, somebody I've never met who has a history of questionable tall tales and writes poor fiction stories. Boy that's a tough one.
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darkoz
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October 2nd, 2022 at 5:30:47 PM permalink
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Ask any real AP what to do when an employee shares their knowledge and it's absolutely DO NOT believe them because 99% of Casino employees are clueless and handing out bad information.

So when someone who claims AP skills mentions how they received guidance from a casino employee, any employee, I go "yep, that's not an advantage Player."
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The guy who told me was an assistant manager for slots so he knew what he was talking about. He was also somebody that I knew when he worked at another casino so we were on a very friendly basis. I would trust anything he told me.
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I don't doubt your friend believed he was telling you correct information.

I'm just stating that most Casino employees are completely in the dark as to how things work. This applies to assistant management as well.

Part of the problem with Casino employees is they don't care. It's a job to them and they aren't studying the facts.

It's highly likely the assistant manager you trust was himself told this information from another employee he believes and a cycle of inaccurate information is ongoing.

The Last thing an assistant manager is doing is research into how games on their floors work. They are simply interested in patrons dropping money and helping their manager make a profit.

When Casino employees go home they place their minds on everything but their jobs. The football game, how to cheat in their spouse, what to have for dinner, etc.

Advantage Players however, when they leave the casino are concentrated nearly non-stop on how to use their information to take down the Casinos.

It's more than a job to Advantage Players. It's a mission.
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Let me think. Who do I trust somebody who I've known works for the casinos for years and years or you, somebody I've never met who has a history of questionable tall tales and writes poor fiction stories. Boy that's a tough one.
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I'm sure it's not a tough one for you but will still be the wrong one for you.

You always seem to make bad decisions because you take information in improperly.

For example above your proof that there is a cheat is you observed someone bet every number except the "2" and that's the number that hit.

Described that way you draw everyone to be suspicious, I suppose.

What information you miss is what did the Patron who left, play prior to the spin they left behind? For all you know they covered every number except the "2" for fifty spins, made a fifty unit profit and then hit the "2" finally giving back 35 units.

You don't know!

And yet you make a quite distinctive judgement based on this ridiculous lack of information.

If detectives worked the way you do the law enforcement of this country would be thousands of years behind.

Collection and collation of multiple facts, not one singular instance with lack of knowledge prior and maybe you will become a more trustworthy source.

For now, you are just the poster on WOV who makes ridiculous conclusions.
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October 2nd, 2022 at 5:44:02 PM permalink
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this person from Quora makes a compelling argument

Stated simply, all players are profiled by there betting style....

BANG, the algorithm clamps itís virtual teeth


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You find a post by someone who offers absolutely no evidence, and who can't spell simple words like "their" and "its", to be compelling? Is your criteria:

"someone said something" = "compelling"

?
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October 2nd, 2022 at 5:55:50 PM permalink
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Ask any real AP what to do when an employee shares their knowledge and it's absolutely DO NOT believe them because 99% of Casino employees are clueless and handing out bad information.

So when someone who claims AP skills mentions how they received guidance from a casino employee, any employee, I go "yep, that's not an advantage Player."
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The guy who told me was an assistant manager for slots so he knew what he was talking about. He was also somebody that I knew when he worked at another casino so we were on a very friendly basis. I would trust anything he told me.
link to original post



I don't doubt your friend believed he was telling you correct information.

I'm just stating that most Casino employees are completely in the dark as to how things work. This applies to assistant management as well.

Part of the problem with Casino employees is they don't care. It's a job to them and they aren't studying the facts.

It's highly likely the assistant manager you trust was himself told this information from another employee he believes and a cycle of inaccurate information is ongoing.

The Last thing an assistant manager is doing is research into how games on their floors work. They are simply interested in patrons dropping money and helping their manager make a profit.

When Casino employees go home they place their minds on everything but their jobs. The football game, how to cheat in their spouse, what to have for dinner, etc.

Advantage Players however, when they leave the casino are concentrated nearly non-stop on how to use their information to take down the Casinos.

It's more than a job to Advantage Players. It's a mission.
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Let me think. Who do I trust somebody who I've known works for the casinos for years and years or you, somebody I've never met who has a history of questionable tall tales and writes poor fiction stories. Boy that's a tough one.
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Casino management is oftentimes ignorant. I had a friend/ next door neighbor who was a lead slot technician. He was about 13 years my senior. He was a fairly intelligent logical person with a computer background. No noticeable drug habits. He was a fairly normal guy.

When it came to slots, keno and video poker He had all kinds of crazy theories how the machines worked. He told me how he could beat the slots and Video Poker using his methods.

So why is it he was occasionally working for me on plays?

Why was it he went broke playing slots and eventually lost his job and occasionally borrowing money?


I mean, come on, he was a slot technician with inside information "and knew how to beat slot machines".

Eventually, he ended up working for a company responsible for cleaning up and trasnsporing dead bodies after car wrecks and whatnot. At firs,t he seemed good with all that, but eventually That job really got to him. One day he decided to sell everything (I even bought his 280 Z) and had to move far from Vgeas.

One of his theories was the fact that you could know when a Royal Flush/jackpot was coming if you could count the number of prior hands/spins and start playing at the end of the cycle when it was due.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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