Down and out at Intertops
Quote: WizardI at least seemed to satisfy them with the accusation of my alleged play outside of Nevada. Here is their response to my honest explanation that I never played outside Nevada, but may have accidentally had a proxy server on when playing.
The very fact that they even require an explanation shows that they do not deserve a good reputation at all (and probably never did). Imagine taking chips to the cashier and being required to explain your history of buying or winning them before getting paid. I would just say "please give me my money" and they would give me my money. On the extremely rare occasion they don't give me my money everyone would agree they are the ones who are wrong.
If they really did have any concern about someone placing a bet outside of Nevada, they would have a system to make sure the bet couldn't be made if there is any question at all (such as when using a proxy). Many others do it that way. The only possible reason I can think of why they wouldn't do that is because they want a shot at being able to steal money.
Quote: TomGThe very fact that they even require an explanation shows that they do not deserve a good reputation at all (and probably never did). Imagine taking chips to the cashier and being required to explain your history of buying or winning them before getting paid. I would just say "please give me my money" and they would give me my money. On the extremely rare occasion they don't give me my money everyone would agree they are the ones who are wrong.
You would think they would be happy if you were such a good customer you played them while traveling. However, I've heard of this kind of thing before. Neteller shut down my account when I logged in from Hong Kong and it was a major epic to reopen it.
Internet gambling in general just goes to show that prohibition is worse than the alternative.
Quote: AxelWolfWhile we are at it. I think you have voiced your disapproval before about this. Not InterTops(that I know of, yet) but another well known casino that''s approved by many has automatic auto hold on their VP(you can change the hold if you wish). It's absolutely atrocious. I'll give you an example: It holds a dealt flush and even a pay pair over a 4 card Royal. IIRC it held a 3 flush over a pair in joker poker. There are way too many bad holds to remember and list. It's just god awful.
Yes, I do disapprove of that. Can you just tell me who it is?
Quote: WizardYou would think they would be happy if you were such a good customer you played them while traveling. However, I've heard of this kind of thing before. Neteller shut down my account when I logged in from Hong Kong and it was a major epic to reopen it.
Internet gambling in general just goes to show that prohibition is worse than the alternative.
I want to know why the hell they would even offer a mobile version of the casino if they don't even expect you to play out of your home state on your regular account!?
All I'm saying is that if Google made me jump through hoops to get my E-Mail restored just because I checked GMail from a different state (whether real, imagined or due to proxy use) I'd be furious!
Quote: AxelWolfWhile we are at it. I think you have voiced your disapproval before about this. Not InterTops(that I know of, yet) but another well known casino that''s approved by many has automatic auto hold on their VP(you can change the hold if you wish). It's absolutely atrocious. I'll give you an example: It holds a dealt flush and even a pay pair over a 4 card Royal. IIRC it held a 3 flush over a pair in joker poker. There are way too many bad holds to remember and list. It's just god awful.
Meh. Spielo Pick N' Play machines do the same thing, just not as egregiously bad. The Pick N' Play states on the help screen something to the effect that the holds are just made based on the greatest probability of getting a winning hand. I've also seen incorrect holds on Game King units, at least on the few that I have seen autohold at all...they weren't as bad, though.
Quote: Mission146I've also seen incorrect holds on Game King units, at least on the few that I have seen autohold at all...they weren't as bad, though.
Me too. An Indian casino had NSU for dollars, Game Kings, when I first started playing there. It wasn't too bad, just enough to slow me down while correcting the occasional error. They fixed the problem eventually, they got rid of them and now their best is under 99%. :-(
I would have to think about it and test some more but it seems to be holding whatever is the most likely to give you any payback even it its totally against the correct hold.
Quote: WizardQuote: weezrDASvegasYou read more like an Intertops spokeswoman alright.
Emphasis mine. Personal insult, three-day suspension.
@Wizard @djatc
Sorry for he/she mate – copy&paste foul from review of an online casino by angry customer.
There is a site Trustpilot com that posts reviews for just about everything. online gambling is very popular but with the worst reviews I’ve seen. u can look at bet365 one of the largest internet casinos in the world. they sponsor bigtime european soccer.
bet365
Reviews 530 • Bad
"This company has claimed its Trustpilot profile, but to our knowledge, doesn't actively invite its customers to write reviews on Trustpilot."
cos the reviews are bad.. the positive reviews come only from the casinos in point. they all part of new organized crime and stay alive cos they bribe governments of small countries.
The worst act the online bandits do is when a rare winner tries to withdraw money from their accounts.. an endless process of documenting.. the internet casinos might seem good places to unassuming patrons for as long as they keep betting (ie losing).. most custyomers lose so they dont have to go thru the withdrawal nightmare.
An angry mom (she factor again!) on Trustpilot -
"Fraud.
Thanks to you, my son was accused of fraud.
What kind place it’s this? That get people in so much trouble."
Even a wizard was accused of frau! And he “would have personally recommended them”!! Wizard playing slots?? whats wrong with this picture?
Quote: WizardI'm happy to say the withdrawal of my remaining $860 came through today. I actually received $905.85, because the value of Bitcoin went up 5.33% since I put in the withdrawal.
Maybe they got a clue about who they were trying to stiff. Not sure if you were Joe Ploppy you would have the same result. Still very good news.
From what I gather, the deposit bonuses are geared toward getting new players to the site. They restrict you from moving money back and forth from a wallet, and the also do not let you deposit funds that you have withdrawn.
Are the AP Bonus hunters violating the spirit of those rules? Yes.
However, the site should not continue to send you bonus offers, nor should you be allowed to start a bonus if the deposited funds do not meet their Terms and Conditions. In this respect Intertops is 100% wrong. They are basically freerolling. If you lose they keep your money. If you win, they don't pay out.
I wonder why anyone would trust an online casino in the first place? There are SO many ways to get burnt from unverified software to downright theft.
I don't know about ploppies. For me, it's a Risk VS reward thing. As for the ploppies, I don't think they have to worry about cashing out their money very often.Quote: FCBLComish
I wonder why anyone would trust an online casino in the first place? There are SO many ways to get burnt from unverified software to downright theft.
here is a situation that raised my eyebrow.
https://news.worldcasinodirectory.com/swedish-gaming-regulator-fines-two-operators-for-bonus-offer-issues-66563
Quote: AxelWolfThe Wizard mentioned how he was enticed with bonus offers. It would be nice if all the online casinos were regulated and 100% safe to play at. However, as an AP I always thought that could also mean it might not be as profitable for bonuses hunting AP's, however other things might make up for it. I think the online affiliates would really get hurt if there were only regulated online casinos.
here is a situation that raised my eyebrow.
https://news.worldcasinodirectory.com/swedish-gaming-regulator-fines-two-operators-for-bonus-offer-issues-66563
The very last part was the most disturbing part IMPO. Allowing people who are self excluded to still have access to the gambling sites is a huge no no. They deserved every single penny of those fines. The online Casino Staff SHOULD be automatically blocking the addicted gambler's IP so that the Gambler will just see something like,"This page is blocked because you are self excluded,".
Say's someone who hasn't the first clue about Internet Protocol addresses.Quote: NathanThe online Casino Staff SHOULD be automatically blocking the addicted gambler's IP
The most disturbing part is the fact that they only allow the casinos to give one new member deposit bonus.Quote: NathanThe very last part was the most disturbing part IMPO. Allowing people who are self excluded to still have access to the gambling sites is a huge no no. They deserved every single penny of those fines. The online Casino Staff SHOULD be automatically blocking the addicted gambler's IP so that the Gambler will just see something like,"This page is blocked because you are self excluded,".
Quote: OnceDearSay's someone who hasn't the first clue about Internet Protocol addresses.
Isn't that the way to block banned people's access? For example, I am permanently banned at another website for starting a thread that seened like a good idea in my head but came off as potentially really awful in The Admin's point of view and in hindsight I could see why I was banned. When I refreshed about an hour later to see how well my "good idea," thread took off, I got basically only a blank screen with the message saying,"You have been permanently banned," I had to go into incognito mode to see that my "good idea in my head, awful as an actual thread" had been completely deleted. That website blocks IP so that banned members basically only see a "Banned," message.
No. Wrong on so many levels!Quote: NathanIsn't that the way to block banned people's access? For example, I am permanently banned at another website for starting a thread that seened like a good idea in my head but came off as potentially really awful in The Admin's point of view and in hindsight I could see why I was banned. When I refreshed about an hour later to see how well my "good idea," thread took off, I got basically only a blank screen with the message saying,"You have been permanently banned," I had to go into incognito mode to see that my "good idea in my head, awful as an actual thread" had been completely deleted. That website blocks IP so that banned members basically only see a "Banned," message.
Incognito mode neither hides, nor changes your IP address.
Still Kudos to that other site in realising the value that you brought as a member there.
Quote: NathanIsn't that the way to block banned people's access? For example, I am permanently banned at another website for starting a thread that seened like a good idea in my head but came off as potentially really awful in The Admin's point of view and in hindsight I could see why I was banned. When I refreshed about an hour later to see how well my "good idea," thread took off, I got basically only a blank screen with the message saying,"You have been permanently banned," I had to go into incognito mode to see that my "good idea in my head, awful as an actual thread" had been completely deleted. That website blocks IP so that banned members basically only see a "Banned," message.
Not exactly something to boast about on an internet forum
said the guy who........Quote: darkozNot exactly something to boast about on an internet forum
Quote: AxelWolfsaid the guy who........
That was Fremont Street.
I zipped right on by
Quote: darkozNot exactly something to boast about on an internet forum
I wasn't exactly boasting, I was saying what happened to me is what the online Casino who still gave self excluded addicted Gamblers access to the online Casino should have done. They should give self excluded addicted Gamblers basically nothing but a blank screen saying something like,"You are denied access since you are on the self exclusion list."
by the way does anyone knows how the owners escape prosecution from the united states ? since in 2006 they had microgaming, and after the american enforcment act , microgaming canseled her license to intertops over that , so intertops switched to rtg and continue to sell all possible gambling products to the us market . wasnt any one from the owner/employees caught ??
I'm having a slight problem understanding your first paragraph.Quote: ekheartregardless to the issues discussed here , past year intertops at his mood , confiscate wins if , u take the bonus plus depo and bet it all in one 2 or 3 hits ,and then finish the rollover on the slots . in short they enforce the not allowed games and the 10 max bet .
by the way does anyone knows how the owners escape prosecution from the united states ? since in 2006 they had microgaming, and after the american enforcment act , microgaming canseled her license to intertops over that , so intertops switched to rtg and continue to sell all possible gambling products to the us market . wasnt any one from the owner/employees caught ??
Basically, they got Mike and others on a technicality. My understanding, intertops wasn't enforcing that rule in the first place, however, they should have been. So, people were getting away with it for a long time. But technically the players were breaking the rules at the time.(?) I think it's fairly obvious that Intertops was allowing players to use wallet transfers and get bonuses because they thought it was a benefiting them. It doesn't really matter if something's making a new deposit, or using their wallet. Other than the fact that they want as much of your worm money as possible in your account for many obvious reasons. I would assume these are the two main factors: It gives them cash to pay out players, they have complete control over more of your money.
Most of the bonuses nowadays are designed where you have almost absolutely no chance of winning. How the hell you going to overcome at 10-15% advantage over thousands of spins playing normally?So, It would seem logical if someone's never making deposits, yet they're able to keep on buying bonuses that would be a good indication that player is not not losing money, unless of course they made some significant deposit from the beginning that just hasn't run out yet.
Once intertops figured out they were being taken advantage of they decided to call back up the rule.(?)
In my opinion, everyone was trying to play an angle I'm both sides. The casino should have negotiated Fair resolution. Not sure if it was worth damaging their reputation over this, but whatever.
Now my question is, if in fact you make a NEW deposit each time and take a bonus.(not transferring from your wallet) and never go over $10 Max bet, will they honor the bonuses and allow you to cash out? If so, nothing's changed other than that being more of a pain in the ass who constantly make deposits and cash-outs.
I'm still slightly skeptical regarding the math to all this, it doesn't seem to work out to be that good of
value. Skeptical on the overall HA on their slots, and, no one can seem to to come up with the average amount someone will actually end up wagering overall with the bonus using their method. I was only taking a look at 100% bonuses certainly 150 or 200% bonus would be an entirely different story. Perhaps there was much more of those then I realized.
I can't argue with the consistent overall results and that's all that really matters.
p.s. I don't think this is really hurt their reputation at all whatsoever they're still being highly advertised everywhere reality I think the only thing it's done is deter online Advantage Players. That's a win for the Casino.
