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May 7th, 2019 at 11:47:38 AM permalink
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You read more like an Intertops spokeswoman alright.



Emphasis mine. Personal insult, three-day suspension.



In the spirit of today’s gender equality, I feel this suspension deserved reconsideration.



Wiz stated he wishes folks to be addressed by the pronoun they desire, and finds it of high offense to purposely use improper terms for gender and/or sexuality.

Wiz banned folks for referring to a her as he. Now he's banning someone who referred to a he as her.

That's equality.
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May 7th, 2019 at 12:03:17 PM permalink
It's been a while since I have been on Intertops.
So many online casino's, so little time.

But since it's been brought to my attention I signed on to my old account and looked for the bonus T&C. I couldn't find them. It mentions the bonus but the T&C are not anywhere I looked on the site.

I seen sports betting T&C's.

I contacted support and they sent me a link. However, where are the T&C for the casino located on the site?

Im on the classic casino.

Mike do you use the flash casino or did you download it?

Do you bet sports and props on there?
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May 7th, 2019 at 12:17:47 PM permalink
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I'm sorry happy to say, but you are wrong on this.

It will all be in my next book that I co write with DO(-;




you frequently say stuff like this - but you never provide directions on how to do it

your methods are highly confidential

so what value is the info that you are giving?

can posters here become lifetime charter members of the Axelwolf fan club?



If he spoon fed you, would you want him to sing you the airplane song as well?






if I told you I had a system to beat the stock market - and I can do this every day -

but I'm sorry but I can't tell you what it is -

would you find that to be an interesting post?
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May 7th, 2019 at 12:33:05 PM permalink
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Quote: MaxPen

Quote: lilredrooster

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I'm sorry happy to say, but you are wrong on this.

It will all be in my next book that I co write with DO(-;




you frequently say stuff like this - but you never provide directions on how to do it

your methods are highly confidential

so what value is the info that you are giving?

can posters here become lifetime charter members of the Axelwolf fan club?



If he spoon fed you, would you want him to sing you the airplane song as well?






if I told you I had a system to beat the stock market - and I can do this every day -

but I'm sorry but I can't tell you what it is -

would you find that to be an interesting post?



That's not a good analogy. Someone said there was no more opportunity. Axel responded by saying there was. Sort of like someone saying "The market is dead" and someone replying "No I still make money trading the market".
Then you come in all upset the second person won't spoon feed you their game plan.
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May 7th, 2019 at 12:36:15 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

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Quote: MaxPen

Quote: lilredrooster

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm sorry happy to say, but you are wrong on this.

It will all be in my next book that I co write with DO(-;




you frequently say stuff like this - but you never provide directions on how to do it

your methods are highly confidential

so what value is the info that you are giving?

can posters here become lifetime charter members of the Axelwolf fan club?



If he spoon fed you, would you want him to sing you the airplane song as well?






if I told you I had a system to beat the stock market - and I can do this every day -

but I'm sorry but I can't tell you what it is -

would you find that to be an interesting post?




Then you come in all upset the second person won't spoon feed you their game plan.




I'm not the least bit upset - and never indicated I was

I don't want to come anywhere near machines - don't need it - have other ways to amuse myself and make money

but others may be different from me

I was just making an observation
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May 7th, 2019 at 1:24:17 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Quote: MaxPen

Quote: lilredrooster

Quote: MaxPen

Quote: lilredrooster

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm sorry happy to say, but you are wrong on this.

It will all be in my next book that I co write with DO(-;




you frequently say stuff like this - but you never provide directions on how to do it

your methods are highly confidential

so what value is the info that you are giving?

can posters here become lifetime charter members of the Axelwolf fan club?



If he spoon fed you, would you want him to sing you the airplane song as well?






if I told you I had a system to beat the stock market - and I can do this every day -

but I'm sorry but I can't tell you what it is -

would you find that to be an interesting post?




Then you come in all upset the second person won't spoon feed you their game plan.




I'm not the least bit upset - and never indicated I was

I don't want to come anywhere near machines - don't need it - have other ways to amuse myself and make money

but others may be different from me

I was just making an observation

I have a PM. If someone was really interested I might point them in the right direction.

When it comes to normal bonus online AP stuff, I find that anyone really interested in doing it has the knowledge and ability to figure some of it out themselves. Those people are probably already doing it and have nothing to say. The rest of the people are probably never going to do it. You would have to shove the information down their throat and wave a bunch of money in their face just to peek their interest.
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May 7th, 2019 at 1:36:30 PM permalink
Most APs are in the closet.

They are screaming to expose how smart they are as APs but too afraid to expose themselves to the community

I am definitely guilty of some of this myself but by posting some stuff on here I am fighting for gayming rights :))) so APs can come out of the closet
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May 7th, 2019 at 1:55:21 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Most APs are in the closet.

They are screaming to expose how smart they are as APs but too afraid to expose themselves to the community

I am definitely guilty of some of this myself but by posting some stuff on here I am fighting for gayming rights :))) so APs can come out of the closet



Just put it in your book.
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May 7th, 2019 at 3:23:55 PM permalink
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I contacted support and they sent me a link. However, where are the T&C for the casino located on the site?



They are not easy to find. They general rules are under cashier --> payment info --> rules. I don't think they have separate "casino" rules.

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Mike do you use the flash casino or did you download it?



Flash

Quote: AxelWolf

Do you bet sports and props on there?



No
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May 8th, 2019 at 12:42:34 AM permalink
It really seems like they are going out of their way to make it hard for players not to mess something up, so they can free roll them. They are one of the few online casinos that I know of that don't show you your wagering requirement progress.
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May 8th, 2019 at 1:20:58 AM permalink
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I made a deposit of about $1,000 in early 2018 and played through lots of bonuses. In the typical bonus I would deposit $100 or $200, which would get a 100% match, sometimes more. Usually I busted out, but sometimes reached my play-through requirement with a small four-figure profit. After doing this for about a year, my balance was about $2,500. Then I heard through the grapevine that they were getting tough on bonus abusers and got worried. I still played a few more bonuses, which didn't go well. When my balance got to $2,000 I decided to cut and run.

At first I thought you were playing VP but then I reread your post and noticed you were playing slots. That left me wondering if in fact you really do have a theoretical mathematical advantage.

What were the wagering requirements, is it deposit plus bonus?

Here is my thinking, please correct me if I'm wrong: If you deposited $100 and got $100 bonus, assuming 30x total wagering just on the deposit(and for some reason I think its D+B) That would be 3k coin in. Let's be generous and say they only hold 10%, that should be a $300 loss. Yes, I know when you will bust out, so that number is no longer 30x ,however, even when you bust out you still have to wager at least 200(?) that's -$20 right there no matter what, and that would only happen if you had zero paybacks. Do you know what your average wagering ends up being or should be per bonus? Even if it was as low as 10x the deposit that's still $1000 coin at -10%.

I can't argue with success, and I assume this grapevine you are talking about is also doing well on the bonuses via slots?
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May 8th, 2019 at 7:07:31 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

At first I thought you were playing VP but then I reread your post and noticed you were playing slots. That left me wondering if in fact you really do have a theoretical mathematical advantage.

What were the wagering requirements, is it deposit plus bonus?

Here is my thinking, please correct me if I'm wrong: If you deposited $100 and got $100 bonus, assuming 30x total wagering just on the deposit(and for some reason I think its D+B) That would be 3k coin in. Let's be generous and say they only hold 10%, that should be a $300 loss. Yes, I know when you will bust out, so that number is no longer 30x ,however, even when you bust out you still have to wager at least 200(?) that's -$20 right there no matter what, and that would only happen if you had zero paybacks. Do you know what your average wagering ends up being or should be per bonus? Even if it was as low as 10x the deposit that's still $1000 coin at -10%.

I can't argue with success, and I assume this grapevine you are talking about is also doing well on the bonuses via slots?




Several casinos, including Intertops, have that famous catch-all term, "recreational players only, no professional players or bonus abusers allowed". That's an option they can always apply, subject to their own interpretation. Just sayin.
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May 8th, 2019 at 7:28:40 AM permalink
Axelwolf,

Many software providers and/or casinos have published their returns, or otherwise allowed them to become known in the online casino industry. In any event, the biggest thing in your assumption is that the slots hold 10%, which is not the case.

I believe Wizard mentioned he was playing one that holds 2%, but I would have to go back and look. I am aware of a few titles, Rock On is one example (I think that’s what it’s called) that holds less than 5%. Although, many casinos have in the T&C’s certain individual slot machines that can not be played while on a bonus.

I agree with you that they are free rolling, in many cases, and have said as much all over the place. Among other things, it seems like certain T&C’s they could program the site such that the player couldn’t violate them in the first place, but they don’t. As you can see here, they want the player to violate the terms.

It’s not like they couldn’t program the system to see that Wizard made no new deposit (I do agree with Intertops only that what Wizard did does not qualify as a redeposit) and therefore refuse to give him the bonus before he’d played anything. One would also think that it would be possible NOT to offer him a redeposit bonus when he already has money in his wallet.

I don’t know about Intertops, but many online casinos STILL wouldn’t count it as a redeposit if you have a balance at the time, even if it is actually new money.
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May 8th, 2019 at 12:23:14 PM permalink
The problem with this stuff is that it needs to be applied at the point-of-sale. The casino should be the one to come up with a better system to apply the bonus only once it is valid. That way everyone knows that any bonus that is applied will be honored. Require the play-through to be done before it is added to the account. The casinos I go to do that eg play $5 get $5; or earn $500 points get $10 (an additional one-time play through is obvious, easy to enforce, and easy for everyone to understandable)

The best analogy I can think of are those 30% off coupons any one item at Dick's. Gift cards aren't allowed, but if I ask to use it for a gift card, they'll let me know I can't do it and I won't give them my money. They aren't going to take my money with every indication it's for a $100 gift card, when really there is only $70 on it. Which is what a lot of online casinos do with their bonuses. The worst ones will even say because the t&c was violated that means we get to keep your money and make that a worthless gift card now.
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May 8th, 2019 at 3:48:26 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

At first I thought you were playing VP but then I reread your post and noticed you were playing slots. That left me wondering if in fact you really do have a theoretical mathematical advantage.

What were the wagering requirements, is it deposit plus bonus?



You had to play slots. As I recall, the typical bonus would be $200 100% match with a wagering requirement of about $7,000. Plus you got some free spins to start, but those were worth only about $15. While that wagering requirement sounds huge, I played very volatile slots like Paydirt and Hillbillies, so usually busted out quickly. However, sometimes you would get a win in the low thousands and then you grind out the play. I assure you it was a good play mathematically.

In other news, Intertops has questioned by withdrawal attempt of the $800 I had left, saying I had activity from a state other than where I lived. I can say I honestly always played from my own computer here in Vegas.
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:01:58 PM permalink
What the hell rule should that violate anyway? There are literally online casinos with mobile versions of themselves...Intertops Classic being one of them.

Do they figure you never leave the house? The hell difference does it make if you had activity in every state in which they offer their services?
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May 8th, 2019 at 4:27:51 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

You had to play slots. As I recall, the typical bonus would be $200 100% match with a wagering requirement of about $7,000. Plus you got some free spins to start, but those were worth only about $15. While that wagering requirement sounds huge, I played very volatile slots like Paydirt and Hillbillies, so usually busted out quickly. However, sometimes you would get a win in the low thousands and then you grind out the play. I assure you it was a good play mathematically.

In other news, Intertops has questioned by withdrawal attempt of the $800 I had left, saying I had activity from a state other than where I lived. I can say I honestly always played from my own computer here in Vegas.



At least you won the Burning Man Lottery!

Oh wait.,. Never mind.

Just Fing with you but I like to believe you understand the world isn’t fair. And the best of us find a way to take advantage of it.

And never get pissed when they find a way to F us, as obviously an online casino found a way to do with you.

That said, either you should have known better, or stop bitc### when you took them for far more than they F#### you over this time.

Face it, hustling a hustler is great, until you get hustled.
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May 8th, 2019 at 6:33:33 PM permalink
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That said, either you should have known better, or stop bitc### when you took them for far more than they F#### you over this time.



I think I'm entitled to warn people about rogue casinos. I've been doing it for 24 years now. Maybe I'm just bitching, but I'd like to think I have done my part to stand up for honest gambling.

And after the $1,277 they seized I'm down modestly. The whole thing if they stiff me on the $800 left over dubious claims I played out of state.
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May 8th, 2019 at 6:43:03 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think I'm entitled to warn people about rogue casinos. I've been doing it for 24 years now. Maybe I'm just bitching, but I'd like to think I have done my part to stand up for honest gambling.

And after the $1,277 they seized I'm down modestly. The whole thing if they stiff me on the $800 left over dubious claims I played out of state.



Most unwise of them if they do.

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May 8th, 2019 at 6:53:41 PM permalink
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Most unwise of them if they do.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.



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May 8th, 2019 at 7:00:04 PM permalink
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"I am Odds, the Great and Powerful"



Have you been practicing that greeting with people as they board the bus?
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May 8th, 2019 at 7:50:19 PM permalink
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Have you been practicing that greeting with people as they board the bus?



No for them I usually just say "Hello"

Also, "sorry but I am taking the window seat."
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May 8th, 2019 at 8:29:47 PM permalink
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No for them I usually just say "Hello"

Also, "sorry but I am taking the window seat."



You do the "dog hanging out the window" thing? That's my happy place. Moving car, I want air moving across my face. Lol...
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May 8th, 2019 at 8:35:50 PM permalink
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You do the "dog hanging out the window" thing? That's my happy place. Moving car, I want air moving across my face. Lol...



Do bus windows open? I don't think I've ever seen one with an open window. Maybe we need a bus thread to educate us westerners.
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May 8th, 2019 at 8:48:42 PM permalink
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You do the "dog hanging out the window" thing? That's my happy place. Moving car, I want air moving across my face. Lol...



Although some city busses have windows you can open most do not.

I just like looking at the scenery and if I doze off the windows are good for resting my head.

The aisle seats I wind up dozing off and either falling on the window seat persons shoulder or falling into the aisle.

Maxpen knows a lot about busses and also has conversations with homeless people at bus stops.

I have probably seen him multiple times on Greyhound and didnt know it.
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May 8th, 2019 at 8:52:43 PM permalink
I was a bus rider in the 70s. Both city and interstate.

Back then the windows opened.

It was an improvement on today. The Chem toilet smell about knocks me over, but was a lot less concentrated when the windows opened.
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May 8th, 2019 at 9:25:00 PM permalink
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Although some city busses have windows you can open most do not.

I just like looking at the scenery and if I doze off the windows are good for resting my head.

The aisle seats I wind up dozing off and either falling on the window seat persons shoulder or falling into the aisle.

Maxpen knows a lot about busses and also has conversations with homeless people at bus stops.

I have probably seen him multiple times on Greyhound and didnt know it.



I did take a bus in 1987 from Anniston, AL to Myrtle Beach, SC. The windows did not open, if I recall correctly. I remember it being a less than desirable experience.
I played baseball as a kid and took school buses to different towns for games. School bus windows opened.
I have ridden subways/metros quite a few times in many different cities. Sometimes that can be comical. In NYC I saw quite a few bums sleeping so we may have crossed paths. My NYC visits were mostly between 1995 and 2001.
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May 8th, 2019 at 9:42:37 PM permalink
Every time (3 or so?) I’ve seen someone asleep on an rtc bus, they’re woken up and told they’ll be booted if it happens again, or they just got booted off at the next stop I’d assume the latter was multiple offenses.
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May 8th, 2019 at 9:58:40 PM permalink
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I did take a bus in 1987 from Anniston, AL to Myrtle Beach, SC. The windows did not open, if I recall correctly. I remember it being a less than desirable experience.
I played baseball as a kid and took school buses to different towns for games. School bus windows opened.
I have ridden subways/metros quite a few times in many different cities. Sometimes that can be comical. In NYC I saw quite a few bums sleeping so we may have crossed paths. My NYC visits were mostly between 1995 and 2001.
I talk to homeless people just like I wind up talking to anyone else.



Lol. In 1995 - 2001 I was working as a motion picture negative cutter and beginning my $250,000 a year career in Hollywood
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May 8th, 2019 at 11:32:06 PM permalink
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Lol. In 1995 - 2001 I was working as a motion picture negative cutter and beginning my $250,000 a year career in Hollywood

And now you are ridding around in buses worth a few hundred K.
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May 8th, 2019 at 11:49:01 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Axelwolf,

Many software providers and/or casinos have published their returns, or otherwise allowed them to become known in the online casino industry. In any event, the biggest thing in your assumption is that the slots hold 10%, which is not the case.

I believe Wizard mentioned he was playing one that holds 2%, but I would have to go back and look. I am aware of a few titles, Rock On is one example (I think that’s what it’s called) that holds less than 5%. Although, many casinos have in the T&C’s certain individual slot machines that can not be played while on a bonus.

I agree with you that they are free rolling, in many cases, and have said as much all over the place. Among other things, it seems like certain T&C’s they could program the site such that the player couldn’t violate them in the first place, but they don’t. As you can see here, they want the player to violate the terms.

It’s not like they couldn’t program the system to see that Wizard made no new deposit (I do agree with Intertops only that what Wizard did does not qualify as a redeposit) and therefore refuse to give him the bonus before he’d played anything. One would also think that it would be possible NOT to offer him a redeposit bonus when he already has money in his wallet.

I don’t know about Intertops, but many online casinos STILL wouldn’t count it as a redeposit if you have a balance at the time, even if it is actually new money.

2% hold on slots eh? Yet they offer 100% bonuses to players and they give affiliate's up to 40% rev share, not to mention 5% for sub affiliates. I realize that not everyone will get up to the 40% level, probably very few will obtain that level, but for the first 3 months everyone gets 30%. But, they have no negative carry over. I assume that's per month. <<< If so, let that sink in for a minute.
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May 8th, 2019 at 11:53:01 PM permalink
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And now you are ridding around in buses worth a few hundred K.



So?
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May 8th, 2019 at 11:56:31 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Several casinos, including Intertops, have that famous catch-all term, "recreational players only, no professional players or bonus abusers allowed". That's an option they can always apply, subject to their own interpretation. Just sayin.

Yes, I know, I call it the sloppy ploppy only rule. All affiliates should never take on any casino with that rule in their terms in conditions. I will say it again, the affiliates hold all the power. Without the affiliates only a few online casinos would survive. And those places would have to have a really good reputation and spend a sh*t ton on marketing.
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May 9th, 2019 at 12:06:06 AM permalink
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I assure you it was a good play mathematically.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 9th, 2019 at 12:12:33 AM permalink
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And now you are ridding around in buses worth a few hundred K.



The bus that hit me recently was 6 years old and cost $797,156 new. I never knew those things cost that much. I always figured around 250k myself.
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May 9th, 2019 at 12:25:26 AM permalink
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The bus that hit me recently was 6 years old and cost $797,156 new. I never knew those things cost that much. I always figured around 250k myself.

I stand corrected.

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May 9th, 2019 at 3:42:17 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

The bus that hit me recently was 6 years old and cost $797,156 new. I never knew those things cost that much. I always figured around 250k myself.



Wait what's this story
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May 9th, 2019 at 4:35:37 AM permalink
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Wait what's this story



Its his most recent AP move.

Innocuously talk to homeless people at a bus depot so it appears he didnt notice the oncoming bus as he steps into the street and WHAMO

Instant lawsuit.

EDIT: I do hope in seriousness it wasnt too bad an incident. I'm too kindhearted to make too much jest of a bus accident.
Last edited by: darkoz on May 9, 2019
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May 9th, 2019 at 4:57:32 AM permalink
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In other news, Intertops has questioned by withdrawal attempt of the $800 I had left, saying I had activity from a state other than where I lived. I can say I honestly always played from my own computer here in Vegas.

This spurious Bullspit has to be the last nail in their coffin. Rogue for sure.
They may start to play nice when they realise who you are, but honestly:

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May 9th, 2019 at 6:22:02 AM permalink
I hate to quote without sources, but the word on the streets is I'm far from the only one to be affected. Intertops has been seizing money from money other people with little explanation. Here is an Email chain a friend of a friend had with them.

Quote: Intertops Email chain

------------------- Original Message -------------------

From: REDACTED

Received: 06/12/2018

To: casino@intertops.ag

Subject: cannot log into my account


Dear Intertops,


My name is REDACTED. I tried to log into my account this morning and received a "username/password" error. I requested a new password be sent to my e-mail account. So far I haven't received this e-mail. My username is "REDACTED." Can you please help me log back into my account. Thank you.


Sincerely,


REDACTED




---------------------------------------------------------




On Thursday, December 6, 2018, .... PM PST, casino@intertops.ag wrote:




Hi REDACTED,


Thanks for contacting Intertops Customer Support.


Your Account has been reviewed by our Security Department, as it raised some Security Flags and was closed after Investigation.

Please note that this cannot be reversed as your details are listed in a negative database and therefore the Account will remain closed.


Kind regards,


kesh.

Intertops Customer Support




--------------------------------------------------------




------------------- Original Message -------------------

From: REDACTED

Received: 06/12/2018

To: casino@intertops.ag

Subject: Re: cannot log into my account



Dear Kesh,


I have a balance of approximately $19,000 that needs to paid before you can just close my account without any explanation? Please provide me with a legitimate explanation of these so-called "Security Flags." More importantly, please pay me winnings at $2,500 per week as per your terms and THEN if you do not want me to play at your casino, I will accept that. But you must honor my winnings as I won them FAIRLY.


Regards,


REDACTED




-------------------------------------------------------



On Thursday, December 6, 2018, .... PM PST, casino@intertops.ag wrote:



Hello REDACTED,


Thank you for contacting Intertops Customer Support.

We are seeing that the account has some security issues and because of this the account was disabled.

With this being said, Intertops reserves the right to audit all requests for pay-outs and to reclaim any bonuses or winnings that have been accorded prior to a failed audit.

Our apologies for any inconvenience but we are no longer able to host an account for you.

Hoping that you find a Casino that pleases you in the near future.


Regards,

Nicole.




------------------------------------------------------




------------------- Original Message -------------------

From: REDACTED

Received: 23/01/2019

To: casino@intertops.ag

Subject: Re: cannot log into my account


Dear Nicole,


I have just returned from my Holiday and see that my account is STILL not open. Please open it immediately so that I can withdraw my winnings. If you refuse you leave me no choice but to contact website forums, the Casinomeister and others to discuss your casino's outright theft of my legitimate winnings. I am happy to discuss this via e-mail or telephone, but you need to pay me my winnings. This is no way to treat a player.


Regards,


REDACTED




---------------------------------------------------------




----- Forwarded Message -----
From: casino@intertops.ag <casino@intertops.ag>
To: REDACTED <REDACTED@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 3:16:29 PM PST
Subject: RE: Re: cannot log into my account

Dear REDACTED,

Thank you for making Intertops your gaming choice!

Your account has been closed for security issues, it will not be re-opened. Thank you for contacting us.

We invite you to come and Chat with us to find out our hottest games!

Should you require any further information or assistance, please feel free to contact us anytime.

Enjoy playing in the Casino!

Best regards,

Louis

Intertops Casino Support

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Toll Free: 00-800-3344-3322

Regular Number: +1-268-480-3101

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May 9th, 2019 at 6:45:12 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I hate to quote without sources, but the word on the streets is I'm far from the only one to be affected. Intertops has been seizing money from money other people with little explanation. Here is an Email chain a friend of a friend had with them.



Wow.

Burn these people down to the ground, please.
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May 9th, 2019 at 7:01:07 AM permalink
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I read that a bit and thought it was someone I knew, but the balance was a lot bigger then this person's. Either way, this sucks. I know somebody who is having troubles withdrawing, and they cannot login with their current credentials which were valid a while back.
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May 9th, 2019 at 9:31:13 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I hate to quote without sources, but the word on the streets is I'm far from the only one to be affected. Intertops has been seizing money from money other people with little explanation. Here is an Email chain a friend of a friend had with them.

REDACTED: "I have just returned from my Holiday and see that my account is STILL not open. Please open it immediately so that I can withdraw my winnings. If you refuse you leave me no choice but to contact website forums, the Casinomeister and others to discuss your casino's outright theft of my legitimate winnings. I am happy to discuss this via e-mail or telephone, but you need to pay me my winnings. This is no way to treat a player."



This episode is the most disturbing yet. I picture the folks at Intertops laughing at this player. All the while keeping the cash.

Why not offer bonus after bonus after bonus? What are you going to do when you cannot collect? What can be done?

Which leads me to believe, there are no safe off-shore places for US players. Am I missing something?
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May 9th, 2019 at 9:53:05 AM permalink
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This episode is the most disturbing yet. I picture the folks at Intertops laughing at this player. All the while keeping the cash.

Why not offer bonus after bonus after bonus? What are you going to do when you cannot collect? What can be done?

Which leads me to believe, there are no safe off-shore places for US players. Am I missing something?



well they do need to make people happy to get them to keep coming back. There is still many people losing everything and not requesting a withdrawl. Whenever they see that you are going to be a net loss for them is when they drop the hammer. You just need to quit RIGHT before that happens.
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May 9th, 2019 at 9:57:07 AM permalink
This part is the best. After telling him to go f off.

"We invite you to come and Chat with us to find out our hottest games!

Should you require any further information or assistance, please feel free to contact us anytime.

Enjoy playing in the Casino!"


SAF they are. If he is on a list then they should have already known that and not allowed the deposit. They would have so much less hassle if they would at least return the original deposit. Or even make a deal and settle the account for much less. I am sure many people would be willing to settle once it looks like the cash is gone.
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May 9th, 2019 at 10:06:04 AM permalink
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This part is the best. After telling him to go f off.

"We invite you to come and Chat with us to find out our hottest games!

Should you require any further information or assistance, please feel free to contact us anytime.

Enjoy playing in the Casino!"


SAF they are. If he is on a list then they should have already known that and not allowed the deposit. They would have so much less hassle if they would at least return the original deposit. Or even make a deal and settle the account for much less. I am sure many people would be willing to settle once it looks like the cash is gone.

Sure, but if he'd just lost as expected, he'd be welcome back forever as a VIP. Many players do just that and we don't hear from them.

If even a fraction of what's been presented ( by Wizard ) is true, then Wizard must tear these guys a new one. No forgiveness. No mercy. No benefit of the doubt.

Does LCB promote interops for affiliate revenue?
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May 9th, 2019 at 10:27:21 AM permalink
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Sure, but if he'd just lost as expected, he'd be welcome back forever as a VIP. Many players do just that and we don't hear from them.

If even a fraction of what's been presented ( by Wizard ) is true, then Wizard must tear these guys a new one. No forgiveness. No mercy. No benefit of the doubt.

Does LCB promote interops for affiliate revenue?



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May 9th, 2019 at 10:52:47 AM permalink
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Quote: OnceDear

Sure, but if he'd just lost as expected, he'd be welcome back forever as a VIP. Many players do just that and we don't hear from them.

If even a fraction of what's been presented ( by Wizard ) is true, then Wizard must tear these guys a new one. No forgiveness. No mercy. No benefit of the doubt.

Does LCB promote interops for affiliate revenue?



Intertops Red Casino Review
PLAY NOW (hover over green check mark at the top of the page) "LBC APPROVED AND RECOMMEND"

https://lcb.org/casinos/intertops-red-casino

https://lcb.org/casinos/intertops-red-casino

Down to Brass Tacks (At least I leaned something new, I always thought this was BRASS TAX)
Intertops Red Casino is rated 35 of 1707 casinos reviewed with a score of 4.4 out of 5 after 573 votes and it has 184

Slots offered from Real Time Gaming with an average rating of 3.3 out of 5 after 26847 votes

https://lcb.org/news/interviews/spotlight-on-intertops

Indeed.
It rather looks like Wizard has discovered and revealed extremely shady practices from a casino that is promoted by LCB. I.e. promoted by the owner of this site and forum. I urge Wizard to urge Zuga to review this situation and take appropriate action.

That appropriate action might extend to dismissing Wizard, BeachbumBabs and/or OnceDear for rocking the boat. Oh hum.
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May 9th, 2019 at 11:33:57 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

Sure, but if he'd just lost as expected, he'd be welcome back forever as a VIP. Many players do just that and we don't hear from them.

If even a fraction of what's been presented ( by Wizard ) is true, then Wizard must tear these guys a new one. No forgiveness. No mercy. No benefit of the doubt.

Does LCB promote interops for affiliate revenue?



Intertops Red Casino Review
PLAY NOW (hover over green check mark at the top of the page) "LBC APPROVED AND RECOMMEND"

https://lcb.org/casinos/intertops-red-casino

https://lcb.org/casinos/intertops-red-casino

Down to Brass Tacks (At least I leaned something new, I always thought this was BRASS TAX)
Intertops Red Casino is rated 35 of 1707 casinos reviewed with a score of 4.4 out of 5 after 573 votes and it has 184

Slots offered from Real Time Gaming with an average rating of 3.3 out of 5 after 26847 votes

https://lcb.org/news/interviews/spotlight-on-intertops

Indeed.
It rather looks like Wizard has discovered and revealed extremely shady practices from a casino that is promoted by LCB. I.e. promoted by the owner of this site and forum. I urge Wizard to urge Zuga to review this situation and take appropriate action.

That appropriate action might extend to dismissing Wizard, BeachbumBabs and/or OnceDear for rocking the boat. Oh hum.

#MOGGA. As if it ever were.
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May 9th, 2019 at 5:02:25 PM permalink
I at least seemed to satisfy them with the accusation of my alleged play outside of Nevada. Here is their response to my honest explanation that I never played outside Nevada, but may have accidentally had a proxy server on when playing.

Quote: Intertops

Dear MICHAEL,

Thank you for contacting Intertops.

We have noted the explanation offered by you in relation to the recent source of your Intertops account activity.

We thank you for taking the time to respond and in assisting us in ensuring that your Intertops account security and integrity is maintained.

The processing of your withdrawal request will now proceed.

Please do not hesitate to contact us should you have any questions.

Best regards,

Dwight 

Intertops Security Team



As to the big picture, I ask for patience. Until recently, they had a very good reputation and I would have personally recommended them. I plan to play the next card once I see if I get my $800 out.
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