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August 26th, 2023 at 12:42:37 PM permalink
Textbook example of a skilled shooter passing the dice to an unskilled tourist
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August 26th, 2023 at 2:10:31 PM permalink
Both shooters are regulars there.

For what it's worth, the first shooter used a hardways set, with the fours on top, and 6 and 1 on the ends. He tossed on an arc from the end, and the instant the dice went airborne, they pitched and rotated a few times before hitting the felt where they popped in every direction.

The second shooter, did not set.
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September 4th, 2023 at 6:03:18 AM permalink
$3 min. Blackjack machine games at the local racino are 3:2, dealer stands on soft 17, for a HE of 0.43.

Their $10 and $25 min. machines are 3:2, dealer hits soft 17, for a 50% higher HE of 0.65

The $3 machines are often empty, while most players are on the higher house edge $10 and $25 min. machines.
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September 4th, 2023 at 7:14:36 AM permalink
Also not a mistake, but the slot players slapping the button repeatedly or tapping the screen as fast as they can as if it is going to affect the outcome. The Hold and Spins are the worst.
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September 4th, 2023 at 7:16:21 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

$3 min. Blackjack machine games at the local racino are 3:2, dealer stands on soft 17, for a HE of 0.43.

Their $10 and $25 min. machines are 3:2, dealer hits soft 17, for a 50% higher HE of 0.65

The $3 machines are often empty, while most players are on the higher house edge $10 and $25 min. machines.
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Many BJ players don't play machines. Table BJ is a social game, Machine BJ isn't. I've rarely seen BJ machines worth playing.
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September 4th, 2023 at 2:04:10 PM permalink
Guy kept getting angry when i would hit a7 against 10. I still remember which casino.

He mentioned he is a drug dealer. I think drug dealers gamble more than the avg person.
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September 15th, 2023 at 7:20:13 PM permalink
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Guy kept getting angry when i would hit a7 against 10. I still remember which casino.

He mentioned he is a drug dealer. I think drug dealers gamble more than the avg person.
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most of the time it's players getting mad at people who make bad plays not other way.
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September 16th, 2023 at 5:06:22 PM permalink
People who stand at the cash out kiosk when there is a line behind them and break down every bill they own into smaller bills, because smaller bills are luckier.

Also people who donít know you can put more than one ticket in the cash out kiosk at a time so they go up there with a line behind them & a stack of 20 vouchers & cash each one out one at a time.
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September 16th, 2023 at 5:50:10 PM permalink
Quote: Tanko

For what it's worth, the first shooter used a hardways set, with the fours on top, and 6 and 1 on the ends. He tossed on an arc from the end, and the instant the dice went airborne, they pitched and rotated a few times before hitting the felt where they popped in every direction.

The second shooter, did not set.
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For what itís worth, a shooterís set and arc are worthless and have no effect on the outcome of the game.
Itís all about making that GTA
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September 17th, 2023 at 2:17:12 AM permalink
Quote: Ace2

For what itís worth, a shooterís set and arc are worthless and have no effect on the outcome of the game.



CORRECT

Dice influencing does not work. That's actually in the Bible. Proverbs 16:33.

But for some it gives hope and adds a bit more entertainment to the game.

I included the description of his set and toss in case anyone was interested. It was his turn to get lucky. We've all seen random shooters roll just as long.

I only mentioned because it was the first time I saw a shooter walk away from a hot roll.
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September 17th, 2023 at 4:18:17 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

CORRECT

Dice influencing does not work. That's actually in the Bible. Proverbs 16:33.

Very good find, thank you!

Quote: Proverbs 16:33, NLT version

We may throw the dice, but the LORD determines how they fall.

A more literal version is "the lot is cast into the lap but ..."

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the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: ďThanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!Ē   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
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September 17th, 2023 at 6:44:18 AM permalink
I don't really care about player mistakes. I do find careless promotion copy very annoying and sometimes costly.
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Monday September 24th, 2023, between 12:00am and 11:59pm


There is a typo in this copy, but also note that every one of these dates is a Sunday, not a Monday. I missed the promo day last week because I did not notice this error.

If I message with support to point out the error, it goes like this:

Me: Your promo copy is wrong, September 10th is a Monday.
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Of course, I have never succeeded in getting promo errors fixed.
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September 17th, 2023 at 10:33:10 AM permalink
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The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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Amen to that. Also annoying, to me, are smokers who light up at a table of non-smokers who were there first.

I would like to state for the 31,416th time that bad players neither help nor hurt other players at the blackjack table.
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September 17th, 2023 at 2:21:56 PM permalink
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I would like to state for the 31,416th time that bad players neither help nor hurt other players at the blackjack table.
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I agree that the bad decisions of other players don't affect the EV on the current hand.

I made a fateful decision while playing speed blackjack a few months ago, and I still remember it exactly. This was an online live dealer game. In speed blackjack, the dealer responds to each action in the order that the players click the action buttons. I was playing $500 a hand in the third and fourth seats. 3rd seat was dealt a 10-6, fourth seat was dealt 8-3, and the dealer had a 10 showing. For some reason, I clicked 'double down' on the 11 before I clicked the 'hit' button on the 16. The dealer dealt a 5 to the double-down hand and a 10 to the hard 16. If I had acted on the hands in the order in which they were dealt, I would have won $3000 even though the dealer made his hand. Instead, I won nothing. Ouch!

I have played hands many out of order before. Usually, I will stand, double, or split aces right away if I can. I save the drawing hands for later because I would rather complete a hand ASAP and not have to think about it again. With a drawing hand, there are often multiple actions required. I never tracked how many times I benefited from playing out of order, but missing out on $3000 got my attention. It is just human nature to notice the times a player decision went strongly against you, even if that player is you.
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September 17th, 2023 at 3:14:11 PM permalink
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Quote: Ace2

The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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Amen to that. Also annoying, to me, are smokers who light up at a table of non-smokers who were there first.

I would like to state for the 31,416th time that bad players neither help nor hurt other players at the blackjack table.
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unfortunately, itís happened to me at least 27,183 times
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September 17th, 2023 at 4:19:02 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard


Amen to that. Also annoying, to me, are smokers who light up at a table of non-smokers who were there first.



To be fair, just because you are not currently smoking doesn't mean you are a non-smoker.

Maybe non-smokers should wear these shirts to make it easier for us smokers to identify you. I would not light up next to somebody wearing this.

At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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September 26th, 2023 at 2:50:36 AM permalink
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October 8th, 2023 at 5:56:59 AM permalink
I agree that standing on soft 17 is a common mistake that can be quite confusing, especially when made by players who otherwise seem to have a good understanding of basic strategy.

Another mistake that I find similarly perplexing is when players choose to hit a hard 16 or lower against a dealer's strong upcard, such as an Ace or a 10. This play goes against basic strategy, which advises standing on all 16s and lower against a dealer's Ace or 10.

Despite the fact that the dealer's upcard suggests they have a strong hand, the player is still likely to lose by hitting in this situation. Not only does the player risk busting, but even if they don't, they're unlikely to improve their hand enough to beat the dealer's probable strong hand.

What's even more surprising is when players make this mistake repeatedly, even after being shown the correct strategy and explained why it's wrong to hit in this situation. It's almost as if they're stubbornly refusing to accept the reality of the game and insisting on relying on intuition rather than logic.

So, it's important to remember that gambling, including blackjack, involves a certain level of luck and unpredictability. While basic strategy can help us make the best decisions given the odds, there's always room for error and unexpected outcomes. Perhaps the key is to remain patient, stay informed, and try not to get too attached to our expectations or biases while playing.
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October 8th, 2023 at 6:56:59 AM permalink
Quote: KimWoojin142

Another mistake that I find similarly perplexing is when players choose to hit a hard 16 or lower against a dealer's strong upcard, such as an Ace or a 10. This play goes against basic strategy, which advises standing on all 16s and lower against a dealer's Ace or 10.
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Basic strategy does not advise that.

Surrender a hard 15 or 16 against a dealer 10 or Ace if the rules permit.

Hitting a hard 16 or lower, against a dealer 10 or Ace is most often the best play.

For example, hitting a two card hard 16 against a dealer 10 is the best play if you can't surrender.

Standing with a three card 16 against a dealer 10 is the best play.
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October 8th, 2023 at 7:21:07 AM permalink
Quote: KimWoojin142

I agree that standing on soft 17 is a common mistake that can be quite confusing, especially when made by players who otherwise seem to have a good understanding of basic strategy.

Another mistake that I find similarly perplexing is when players choose to hit a hard 16 or lower against a dealer's strong upcard, such as an Ace or a 10. This play goes against basic strategy, which advises standing on all 16s and lower against a dealer's Ace or 10.

Despite the fact that the dealer's upcard suggests they have a strong hand, the player is still likely to lose by hitting in this situation. Not only does the player risk busting, but even if they don't, they're unlikely to improve their hand enough to beat the dealer's probable strong hand.

What's even more surprising is when players make this mistake repeatedly, even after being shown the correct strategy and explained why it's wrong to hit in this situation. It's almost as if they're stubbornly refusing to accept the reality of the game and insisting on relying on intuition rather than logic.

So, it's important to remember that gambling, including blackjack, involves a certain level of luck and unpredictability. While basic strategy can help us make the best decisions given the odds, there's always room for error and unexpected outcomes. Perhaps the key is to remain patient, stay informed, and try not to get too attached to our expectations or biases while playing.
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It is not surprising that players reject your explanation, because your strategy is horribly wrong. Please give us a citation for a strategy chart that tells you to stand with 12-16 against Ten or Ace. I doubt you can. The dealer is unlikely to bust the hand, so any decent basic strategy tells you to draw to improve to a hand that might beat or tie the dealer rather than just stand and usually get beat. There are minor exceptions like splitting 8-8.
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October 8th, 2023 at 8:05:48 AM permalink
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It is not surprising that players reject your explanation, because your strategy is horribly wrong. Please give us a citation for a strategy chart that tells you to stand with 12-16 against Ten or Ace. I doubt you can.


I can, but it's conditional.
If it's a single deck or double deck game, stand on a hard 16 against a 10.
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October 8th, 2023 at 8:13:12 AM permalink
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Quote: Mental

It is not surprising that players reject your explanation, because your strategy is horribly wrong. Please give us a citation for a strategy chart that tells you to stand with 12-16 against Ten or Ace. I doubt you can.


I can, but it's conditional.
If it's a single deck or double deck game, stand on a hard 16 against a 10.
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If itís 10-6? I thoughts if you see 4s and 5s then stand.
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October 8th, 2023 at 8:17:08 AM permalink
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Quote: ThatDonGuy

Quote: Mental

It is not surprising that players reject your explanation, because your strategy is horribly wrong. Please give us a citation for a strategy chart that tells you to stand with 12-16 against Ten or Ace. I doubt you can.


I can, but it's conditional.
If it's a single deck or double deck game, stand on a hard 16 against a 10.
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If itís 10-6? I thoughts if you see 4s and 5s then stand.
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That is how I play it, especially in SD or DD. I learned that from Fred Renzy twenty years ago.
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October 8th, 2023 at 9:59:09 AM permalink
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Absolutely. Such posts have suddenly become common here. They are very well crafted, but absolutely AI generated.
I don't expect the moderator team to deal with it very well, possibly because of a free speech policy that extends to chatbots.
Chatbot responses have certain characteristics but expect them to change and improve to evade the nuke.
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October 8th, 2023 at 10:08:35 AM permalink
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Quote: rawtuff

ChatGPT vibes are strong. Don't feed it.
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Absolutely. Such posts have suddenly become common here. They are very well crafted, but absolutely AI generated.
I don't expect the moderator team to deal with it very well, possibly because of a free speech policy that extends to chatbots.
Chatbot responses have certain characteristics but expect them to change and improve to evade the nuke.
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I kid.
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October 18th, 2023 at 1:53:02 AM permalink
What I hate would be random betters with random betting strategies. They confuse me and I tend to loose but others are just randomly breaks your concentration and annoy you by talking loudly. Let us all respect the table and enjoy the game fellas!
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November 10th, 2023 at 12:18:06 PM permalink
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Guy kept getting angry when i would hit a7 against 10. I still remember which casino.

He mentioned he is a drug dealer. I think drug dealers gamble more than the avg person.
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Last time I was at the craps table, some young dude came up and threw about 3k on the table to get chips. As the dealer is getting him chips and pushing them over, he goes "No I wanted all blacks." Everyone at the table chuckled and myself and another person spoke up "Are you sure? This is a $15 min table, why don't you start with greens?" He replied "Nah man I'm good, give me all black, black is my favorite color." Pretty damn sure by his demeanor later on that he was a dealer.
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November 12th, 2023 at 5:11:17 PM permalink
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Turning machine volume to maximum in hopes of improving the odds.

(rant omitted)
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Games I play at max volume: Ocean Majic, Golden Egypt. it's the music I like, especially the bonus in golden egypt grand. If I don't like you, Keno, wheel of fortune and that fake AP game in piggies, rich little piggies. Sometimes I'll flip through the bet levels on WoF several times lol jk!
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November 12th, 2023 at 5:27:38 PM permalink
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Also not a mistake, but the slot players slapping the button repeatedly or tapping the screen as fast as they can as if it is going to affect the outcome. The Hold and Spins are the worst.
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Yup, no matter how many times you try and explain to them that stopping the spin has no effect, they will never believe you. All it takes is a single stop to land the 3rd coin on buffallo to qualify them as a skilled slot player.
They stop the reels in the bonus round of rich little piggies lmao!

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November 12th, 2023 at 5:30:42 PM permalink
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Quote: Dieter

Turning machine volume to maximum in hopes of improving the odds.

(rant omitted)
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Games I play at max volume: Ocean Majic, Golden Egypt. it's the music I like, especially the bonus in golden egypt grand. If I don't like you, Keno, wheel of fortune and that fake AP game in piggies, rich little piggies. Sometimes I'll flip through the bet levels on WoF several times lol jk!
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Is it possible you were the person who always played Harley Davidson at full volume on the next machine while I was chasing Mega? I am almost glad HD went MIA.
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November 12th, 2023 at 5:43:51 PM permalink
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Quote: Dieter

Turning machine volume to maximum in hopes of improving the odds.

(rant omitted)
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Games I play at max volume: Ocean Majic, Golden Egypt. it's the music I like, especially the bonus in golden egypt grand. If I don't like you, Keno, wheel of fortune and that fake AP game in piggies, rich little piggies. Sometimes I'll flip through the bet levels on WoF several times lol jk!
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That doesn't sound like you're trying to improve the odds.
;)
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November 12th, 2023 at 10:54:33 PM permalink
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Wasn't sure what forum to put this in but thought it could make for an interesting discussion. For the most part, I'd say the majority of this forum tries to gamble as EV+ as possible, so what player mistake do you see that just really confounds you?

For the sake of a more interesting discussion, let's leave it to a mistake made during the run of play, ie - don't say playing 6:5 blackjack when 3:2 is available or playing triple zero roulette when double zero is available.

For me, it just astounds me when people stand on Soft 17 in blackjack. Often times it'll even be by someone who's chastising someone else's play. When you're at no risk of busting, and have a weak hand, I just can't understand the thought process from those who stand in that situation.
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Recently I saw someone with a stack of greens and a few blacks playing $25min craps table, doing $25-$75 passline and no odds! (3/4/5 table).
Yet he places Inside #s and plays the Field (12 only pays double).
I had to walk away.

Same casino, someone was playing alone on $50min table and only backing with 1x odds. (Table was 3/4/5x odds) He was also only Placing the 6&8.
There were other $25 min tables with plenty of space and at least 1 had an entire side empty.

I guess the $50 player just liked shooting?
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November 12th, 2023 at 11:45:48 PM permalink
The only players I canít tolerate are the ones that worry about any hand but their own. In craps and BJ, how I play/bet has no effect on anyone but me. I will never understand why anyone else cares if I bet Donít Pass or hit a 16 vs 7.

Now I might wonder why someone would make sucker bets at the craps table, but itís that personís right and I will never comment or even insinuate that they should do otherwise. I actually like these players because they subsidize players like me. Craps would not exist if everyone played line bets plus full odds, just like 3:2 blackjack would not exist if everyone played proper basic strategy.

Suckers: We salute you !
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November 13th, 2023 at 6:32:31 AM permalink
People playing carnival games ďblindĒ, or going in on every hand no matter what: blind on 3CP, betting with 2-5 off suit in Mississippi or Criss Cross. And letís include not raising 4x on UTH hands that are odds on.

We who play these games play them because theyíre fun, not because theyíre great odds. The only concession the rules make to the player is the ability to fold a hand that has little chance (or in the case of UTH, maximize return on a hand that has a good chance.) There are no guarantees, of course. But geez. The strategies are easy to remember. So remember them, and stick to them. At the very least youíll get more table time and see more hands for your money. Youíll never get a straight flush if you bust out early from betting on every 8-6-3 salad youíre dealt.
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November 13th, 2023 at 6:44:29 AM permalink
Are there other players at the table? I tend not to notice.
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November 13th, 2023 at 10:22:06 AM permalink
Cuz if he split, he coulda got another ace, duhhhhhh
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November 13th, 2023 at 8:09:56 PM permalink
The player mistake that bothers me the most is players posting sensitive information on message boards.
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November 14th, 2023 at 4:16:17 AM permalink
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The only players I canít tolerate are the ones that worry about any hand but their own. In craps and BJ, how I play/bet has no effect on anyone but me. I will never understand why anyone else cares if I bet Donít Pass or hit a 16 vs 7.

Now I might wonder why someone would make sucker bets at the craps table, but itís that personís right and I will never comment or even insinuate that they should do otherwise. I actually like these players because they subsidize players like me. Craps would not exist if everyone played line bets plus full odds, just like 3:2 blackjack would not exist if everyone played proper basic strategy.

Suckers: We salute you !
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 17th, 2023 at 9:27:32 AM permalink
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just like 3:2 blackjack would not exist if everyone played proper basic strategy.

Suckers: We salute you !
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Considering how many casinos that are trying to get rid of 3:2 for 6:5... you may be on to something!
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November 25th, 2023 at 4:59:58 AM permalink
She knows what she's doing! 😂

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