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April 4th, 2018 at 2:03:53 PM permalink
I am still open to watching. Next week off work. Basically any day except Thursday. Done by 4pm.
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April 4th, 2018 at 2:22:58 PM permalink
SOOPOO, You're more than welcome to join us for dinner at 6pm,
We will arrive at the Fallsview Saturday morning April 7, 2018 for 8am breakfast at the grand buffet followed by checking in at the craps table for 8:30am playing till 5:45pm, Then we will be taking a dinner break for approx 1 hr and back at the table from 7pm till 10pm.
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April 4th, 2018 at 2:28:06 PM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

SOOPOO, Maybe you can join us for dinner 6pm,
We will arrive at the Fallsview Saturday morning April 7, 2018 for 8am breakfast at the grand buffet followed by checking in at the craps table for 8:30am playing till 5:45pm, Then we will be taking a dinner break for approx 1 hr and back at the table from 7pm till 10pm.



I may be able to make it. I will contact you by private message.
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April 4th, 2018 at 3:34:48 PM permalink
all the dealer schools in this area are underground.....i will be dealing on Saturday so i will be observing but obviously not taking part.
get second you pig
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April 4th, 2018 at 3:48:51 PM permalink
Cool! ontariodealer with be working (Little Philippine guy with a big stick)
Can you set me up with one of those underground connections?
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April 4th, 2018 at 3:55:08 PM permalink
trust me I'm the opposite of a little Filipino guy.....i thought you might be because you mentioned romeo.
get second you pig
Laymedown
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April 4th, 2018 at 3:56:38 PM permalink
Romeo is not exactly a small guy himself.
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April 4th, 2018 at 4:02:54 PM permalink
Why hasn't this troll been banned yet?
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April 4th, 2018 at 4:05:27 PM permalink
That was easy. I just had to block sodawater. I'm sure he can do the same with me too.
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April 4th, 2018 at 7:11:14 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

trust me I'm the opposite of a little Filipino guy.....i thought you might be because you mentioned romeo.

There is even a post on this forum with a couple of photos of ontariodealer. I can provide the link if he tells me he would like for it to be easier for others to locate him in the casino.
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April 4th, 2018 at 7:18:25 PM permalink
Given that AP's and casino personnel wish to remain anonymous I suspect the following suggestion will go over like a lead balloon, but here goes:

Any interest in creating a photo gallery of forum members?

Here is one from an old usenet group: alt.vacation.las-vegas:

membership gallery
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April 4th, 2018 at 7:32:42 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Given that AP's and casino personnel wish to remain anonymous I suspect the following suggestion will go over like a lead balloon, but here goes:

Any interest in creating a photo gallery of forum members?

Here is one from an old usenet group: alt.vacation.las-vegas:

membership gallery



I suspect some would be fine with showing photos , but many wouldn’t for a variety of reasons
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April 4th, 2018 at 7:34:09 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

There is even a post on this forum with a couple of photos of ontariodealer. I can provide the link if he tells me he would like for it to be easier for others to locate him in the casino.




probably better not to......some have pm'd in the past and that is preferred.
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April 4th, 2018 at 8:24:40 PM permalink
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Any interest in creating a photo gallery of forum members?



I suspect there isn't enough interest to fuss with it. If I get a dozen people to volunteer, I'll consider it, but I set the over/under on that at 3.5.
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April 4th, 2018 at 9:45:27 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

probably better not to......some have pm'd in the past and that is preferred.

Fine. That's why I asked. I was referring to the group photo from when you joined a few of us outside your casino.
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April 4th, 2018 at 10:57:48 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

There is even a post on this forum with a couple of photos of ontariodealer. I can provide the link if he tells me he would like for it to be easier for others to locate him in the casino.

ontariodealer is easy to find. He's the guy with the stick,
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April 7th, 2018 at 7:56:50 PM permalink
I'm out
get second you pig
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April 7th, 2018 at 8:26:12 PM permalink
Did Laymedown showed up today?
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April 7th, 2018 at 8:47:34 PM permalink
yes and I know him so.....i'm out.
get second you pig
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April 7th, 2018 at 9:22:34 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

yes and I know him so.....i'm out.

I respect your right to be cryptic but....
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 7th, 2018 at 9:34:12 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

yes and I know him so.....i'm out.

why?
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April 8th, 2018 at 1:47:38 AM permalink
I told him I don't think I can pull it off, because the tables are different. I can't say I'm consistent 100% to roll continuous nines due to the fact that the tables bounce at that casino is much different from the ones here n Brantford.

I can admit I had some good rolls in the last 18hrs of play and many of us made money, but as far as the nine challenge, it's a coin toss.

Oh, for the record Ontariodaler, I appologize for the little filipino remark I made, Geez! you're a big fella and very professional at the tables.
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April 8th, 2018 at 4:49:59 AM permalink
The good old, "it bounces different" excuse.
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April 8th, 2018 at 5:33:27 AM permalink
This would be a great premise for a Christopher Guest movie.
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April 8th, 2018 at 6:07:39 AM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

AxelWolf, That's what I meant when I said stuff about meeting other shooters at the tables. If there is enough interests, we can make a TON OF CASH from many casino's




Quote: AxelWolf

The good old, "it bounces different" excuse.



Axel: if you don't change your attitude and get on board with the program you're not going to be included when the table with the right bounce is found and you're not going to get to dip you hands into that ton of cash. think about that for a minute next time before you crack wise.

Maybe he'll still let you join the party if you apologize.
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April 8th, 2018 at 6:43:32 AM permalink
You tell him, lilredrooster.

Seriously, I can't tell if I was or wasn't throwing a fair share of nines, I wasn't paying attention or keeping track of anything.
The place was busy. I was in profit from betting 5/9 for quite some times,
Just starting off each bet with $15 minimum and after a win, I pressed both 5/9 to $25 collecting $25 after each win and dropping the $10 on hard ways (Gambling)

I'm not making up excuses, I'm just explaining that there are table conditions that vary from table to table.

On a side note, I should get some kind of credit for consistency from both casinos regardless of the conditions.
I'm proving not only to myself but also to the world that consistency for long term play at the craps table is possible under any conditions including VARYING TABLE CONDITIONS & DICE SETTING vs. RANDOM THROWERS AND PSO's

So keep an open mind and at least give me some kudos for that.

Maybe I'm just lucky and on a streak right now a the tables, or maybe it's just another coincidence that every visit to the tables I can comfortably say that I can play 24hrs/day on a single bank roll of 1000.00 along with dice setting vs. the come and go random shooters losing their shirts all night, and all morning.

I went through 3 shift changes of casino employees, and watched the tables dwindle down from very busy to just a couple shooters and the swings being from ice cold to hot.

There is a huge difference also in the environment when you compare tourists vs. regulars.

I know i'm blabbing here but anyway, maybe i'm just on a lucky run at the tables.
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April 8th, 2018 at 10:31:18 AM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

Think about it, you have 14-16 shooters per hour, 24hrs per day each spending about $300.00 or more = $100,000.00/day
Then you get the dark side players betting hundreds of dollars and losing as an added income for the casino.

They don't worry about guys like us taking $500/day.



Greetings. I wrote financial reports for OLG including detailed financials for its table games at its owned casinos which included Brantford. I can tell you with certainty that the craps win is nowhere close to 100k/day.
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April 8th, 2018 at 10:33:02 AM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

this is pretty funny.....all those Brantford guys used to play where i deal.....not one was ever ahead long term.



The electromagnetic waves from the nearby hydro plants randomised the dice.
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April 8th, 2018 at 10:53:33 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Greetings. I wrote financial reports for OLG including detailed financials for its table games at its owned casinos which included Brantford. I can tell you with certainty that the craps win is nowhere close to 100k/day.



boymimbo, I was there Sunday from 11am-10pm playing all day with a couple breaks in between. I've watched players buyin' way more than $300.00 and lose it within the hour. Some chip stacks were more than $1000 from just 3 players out of the 16 there were quite a few $100 buy ins but the casino got the best of them. I'm not saying i'm the only guy winning because I also lose on quite a few nights.

They make a ton of money on a daily basis. At most I see players leaving with maybe 3k-4k at most and that's including fire bet wins. but 90% of the time, casino makes close if not more than those figures mentioned.

Anyway, I've caught up on my sleep and gonna be hittin' the tables soon.
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April 8th, 2018 at 10:56:15 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

The electromagnetic waves from the nearby hydro plants randomised the dice.



I thought those stray electrons act to keep the internal polarity of the dice in alignment, thus leading to lots of nines?
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April 8th, 2018 at 11:00:17 AM permalink
The table has a nice bounce as compared to fallsview. Much easier rhythm control. Tourists are another thing to factor in to casino advantage. They are a pain, I wanted to hand out craps learn to play flyers.

I should have done my due diligence with playing at multiple tables before even bragging about the rolling continuous nines.
I'm apologizing to all the members on here for my over confidence levels and thinking I could perform such a task in flying colors.
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April 8th, 2018 at 11:04:52 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

I thought those stray electrons act to keep the internal polarity of the dice in alignment, thus leading to lots of nines?



Sure! Why not?
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April 8th, 2018 at 11:13:33 AM permalink
Controlling (or "influencing," as its proponents say these days) the ratio of electron absorbtion to impart the desired measure of dice control / influence is a delicate thing to get quite right, and requires years of unconscious practice to master.

A successful bone arranger must factor in the bounciness of the table surface, the size of the tub, the skill of the adjoining players as well as the surliness of the crew as all of these things matter.

That and continuous hydration are necessary to reach infiniti and beyond.

When everything comes together "just so" it's been described as "the stuff dreams are made of," and for obvious reasons.
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April 8th, 2018 at 11:35:14 AM permalink
So why did OntarioDealer abruptly say 'Im out' after he discovered he knew who LMD was? Is that a good or bad signal. Im inclined to thing the latter.
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April 8th, 2018 at 11:35:31 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

That and continuous hydration are necessary to reach infiniti and beyond.



I watch a lot of video game speed runs on Twitch and there is actually an automated "Stay_Hydrated_Bot" in the chat.

DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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April 8th, 2018 at 11:55:05 AM permalink
Sure, a savvy DI brings lots of water to the table to stay hydrated, and sports a Depends to help collect the excess.

Don't want to miss that Big Roll now, do you?
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April 8th, 2018 at 12:05:48 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Sure, a savvy DI brings lots of water to the table to stay hydrated, and sports a Depends to help collect the excess.


I think some poker players do this.
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April 8th, 2018 at 12:18:09 PM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

You tell him, lilredrooster.

Seriously, I can't tell if I was or wasn't throwing a fair share of nines, I wasn't paying attention or keeping track of anything.

I certainly do believe that.

I have a feeling this is the normal course of business whenever you play.
You probably only notice whenever you see what seems to be a streak or pattern AFTER THE FACT.

I have no doubt your bookkeeping regarding your overall wins and losses would falk under your above statement as well.
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April 8th, 2018 at 2:06:36 PM permalink
this is a fun story from the L.A. Times about some dice players who call themselves The Golden Arms. They earned membership in that club because of very long rolls. One player is a dice setter and claims it gives him an edge. The author of the story makes no claims that these players are long term winners and actually implies the opposite. But one thing is definitely true. At certain times these guys took A TON OF CASH out of those casinos. A TON OF CASH!!!

From the article:

"John Repetti was the casino manager that night and said there was a rule: If the losses started to mount for the casino, he should be awakened at home.

"The first call came and he'd been shooting for an hour, and we were losing a couple hundred thousand dollars at the time. I said if he continued, to call me at every $100,000 loss interval," Repetti said. "Well, the calls kept coming every 15 minutes. Another $100,000. And another $100,000. After the fourth call and fifth call, I decided I'd better get some clothes on and get downtown."

When Repetti arrived, he said the chips were stacked so thick on the numbers, they no longer were visible. The table was full and four deep with people straining to see. He said the casino had run out of $1,000 chips and scrambled to keep up with the payouts.

The Cal lost more than $1 million that night on the table.

But while players embrace mystique, casinos adhere to math"

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-golden-arms-20170429-story.html
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April 8th, 2018 at 2:18:38 PM permalink
People hit the MegaBucks slot jackpot from time to time as well. Variance happens.
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April 8th, 2018 at 6:59:00 PM permalink
Another update to prove me wrong yet again. I mention somewhere about being able to run 24hrs betting only two numbers followed by a double press and same bet there after.

Tonight at the table Our $1000 bank roll diminished itself down to just under $500 in just 3hrs. Cold tables just never wanna turn. Again I've rolled my fair share of numbers unfortunately the SEVEN got the best of me today.
Last edited by: Laymedown on Apr 8, 2018
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April 8th, 2018 at 7:03:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I certainly do believe that.

I have a feeling this is the normal course of business whenever you play.
You probably only notice whenever you see what seems to be a streak or pattern AFTER THE FACT.

I have no doubt your bookkeeping regarding your overall wins and losses would falk under your above statement as well.



My book keeping is offline. I've lost a good 50% chunk from my $1000 bank roll today riding out a cold table for 3hrs just steady PSO's tonight.
I still have previous nights winning to refill but, man.
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April 8th, 2018 at 7:20:33 PM permalink
Well lesson learned, don’t play Fallsview!
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April 8th, 2018 at 7:27:12 PM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

My book keeping is offline. I've lost a good 50% chunk from my $1000 bank roll today riding out a cold table for 3hrs just steady PSO's tonight.
I still have previous nights winning to refill but, man.

Let me fix that for you.

Quote: .

My book keeping is off.



Anyways, I'm glad you tossed in some losses for us. You's got to make this sh*t sound legit.

Or was it just that there was actully some witnesses this time?

Just blame the tables whenever you fall short and people are watching.
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April 8th, 2018 at 7:32:36 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Well lesson learned, don’t play Fallsview!

ZK keeps playing in all the casinos that he knows is cheating him. Do you really think a bouncy table will lay this guy down?
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April 8th, 2018 at 11:32:49 PM permalink
Let's just say, it's getting expensive to adjust to a new environment. Not saying I'd give up visiting Fallsview because it's worth the weekend drive just for the comps.
As mentioned before Brantford casino does have it's fair share of dice setters but you're lucky to get a few bucks off food.

I'm curious, does anyone know how the ratings work at the tables?

All in all, If they got rid of all the RANDOM shooters and filled their tables with dice setter's, the casino would have a good run for their money because "DICE SETTERS" rule. and the DARKSIDE SHOOTERS, well they are in their own universe.
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April 8th, 2018 at 11:42:35 PM permalink
ROTFLMAO.

Dudes worried about comps when he is independently wealthy and he can use the craps tables to basically print money.

Heres an idea, don't be a ______, BET MORE AT Brantford. Bet more, earn more(comps and money), that's how it works.
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April 9th, 2018 at 1:03:50 AM permalink
Hey, it's free stuff. I like free. I know I can bet more but comps is comps.

I never said I was independently wealthy AxelWolf. I stated in many forum threads that I may average around 13-15k per year.
(IF THERE WERE MORE DICE SETTERS AT THE TABLES THEN YES THERE WOULD BE MORE POTENTIAL FOR AROUND 200K PER YEAR)

Besides, It's not about the money. It's more about consistency for long term play.

I'll admit that PLACE BETTING is much more profitable than LAYING ALL THE NUMBERS ON COME OUT ROLL.
Although my bankroll does go up and down like a roller coaster on some nights with win/loss (60/40), it's pretty consistent for long term play.

Hey, I'm holding my own right now but I'm still interested in meetups at various casino's for dice setters interested. Dice setters working together can really pay off in the long term.
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April 9th, 2018 at 2:13:04 AM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

. Dice setters working together can really pay off in the long term.

I asked before, did you say your fave casino there pays 3-2 on a place 9?

Have you taken dice throwing lessons? If you were looking to hook up with other di enthusiasts, there are several dice throwing schools around Vegas, I think they claim to have better results than the odds would indicate.
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April 9th, 2018 at 2:49:39 AM permalink
petroglyph are you joking with me with this question? petroglyph the nine pays 3:2 or 1.5 to 1 on 100% of the craps tables.
I would never pay for dice lessons and in turn I would never charge for dice lessons.

This is just stupid in knowing they can easily visit a craps table and just make the money in a couple hours of play.

FREE LESSON.
Put the 4's up and toss the dice to the back wall.
Sorry for my many daily posts. I am a retired professional and I love to chat about gambling. I also enjoy reading and can't help but to reply to some fantastic articles.
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