MrV
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July 11th, 2014 at 7:44:59 AM permalink
Quote: nickolay411

If you stake out the tables for a Dice influencer maybe you'll see something you haven't seen before... A lot of different and unexpected things can happen in the wild.



Why weren't these DI's, these alleged Bigfeet of the Bones, trying to hide their mastery from the crews?

Heck, Frank and Dom claim they were barred from ENTIRE STATES because of their dice setting / dice influencing skills, so surely they would want to remain unnoticed?

If a casual observer can figure out a shooter "in the wild" is in fact a DI experiencing true AP, wouldn't the casino notice as well?

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nickolay411
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July 11th, 2014 at 8:13:19 AM permalink
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Why weren't these DI's, these alleged Bigfeet of the Bones, trying to hide their mastery from the crews?



That's a good point. And that's exactly what I was implying, to be able to look beyond the GTC throw that you see so many have taken up as their holy dice influencing savior.

All this on axis, double pitch, seven to rolls ration lingo it's not worthless and has its place but it's also not the only way to play the game. For me the GTC school of thought isn't the end all be all of craps. Maybe start with a blank slate and just like an AP in blackjack keep your eyes open for a possible Advantage play you haven't thought/seen before. You might come up with something and when you do why not like an AP blackjack player use cover and cover plays. I sure would!

I think where "we" are with Dice influencing/Influencers is that hey we found this new Toy, and we want to play with it, and show off how we can throw it and spin it. But that's all were doing, playing and showing off. Were not effectivley doing anything I would say almost none are making any money or beating the game. Because that's what were in it for, either the challenge or the reward. Maybe both Right?

Now I'm not saying I have the answer, but I think going back and reading the older literature (Scarne on dice and Ed marlos Shoot the Works) one could use some creativity and out of the box thinking to bring something new to to the game of craps. Something the eye in the sky isn't looking for, just maybe?
MrV
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July 11th, 2014 at 8:21:26 AM permalink
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I think going back and reading the old literature one could use some creativity and out of the box thinking to bring something new to to the game of craps. Something the eye in the sky isn't looking for, just maybe?



Like what, telekinesis?

Astrology?

Rabbit's foot?

Looks like you need to have an empty head to be a DI.
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nickolay411
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July 11th, 2014 at 8:28:24 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Like what, telekinesis?.



Haha. Well at least your starting to ask questions... I'd say thats a start.

Since blackjack ap play is pretty a mature form of art. And I consider "ap craps" in its infancy. I'd like to pose a question. What's the equivalent of counting, spooking, hole-carding, ace-sequencing, shuffletracking and team play in the game of CRAPS?

Is there really truly nothing?

Edit: Here's an entertaining article...

http://www.insidescience.org/blog/2012/09/12/dice-rolls-are-not-completely-random
nickolay411
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July 11th, 2014 at 8:51:59 AM permalink
It's late and I'm ranting and sounding like a self prophesying ass. But I think it's important to get my point across.

We all know dice influencing works, if it didn't we wouldn't have the diamonds on the backwall of the craps table. You could also say that there wouldn't be a no roll call, sliding wouldn't be illegal. Truth is yes dice can be influenced.

Now when CSMs came around the majority in the blackjack community said oh crap they can't be beaten. Then Standford Wong went out the beat them. And even with the latest one2six machines they are still being beaten today. And of course we won't hear about it until ten years from now when the play is over. It'll be written in a book, all over forums yada yada.

Couldn't the diamonds just be the craps players hurdle? The delusional empty headed craps players hurdle!

BTW i'm not trying to sell anything. :P
Ibeatyouraces
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July 11th, 2014 at 9:13:41 AM permalink
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July 11th, 2014 at 10:00:52 AM permalink
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We do??? Prove it!!!



Somehow this is related. I'm just not sure how.

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nickolay411
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July 11th, 2014 at 6:21:59 PM permalink
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We do??? Prove it!!!



Maybe you didn't read what I posted. Blanket rolls, whip and helicopter shots are all proven to influence dice! Watch Steve Forte's gambling protection series. The section on dice, Steve Forte shows several shots that work and have been known to work. Some even hit walls...How could you say that is not influencing the dice?

Here is a link to the whole section he starts showing the various shots 28 minutes in.


http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTQyNzMxODYw.html
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July 11th, 2014 at 8:20:19 PM permalink
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July 11th, 2014 at 9:37:56 PM permalink
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