FourFiveFace
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February 27th, 2012 at 12:26:12 AM permalink
I've done it a few times, but I usually leave them off on the come out roll like most people. From what I gather, it sounds like having them working would be part of an optimal strategy since the odds don't change. But how do you factor in the fact that your odds are returned to you on a come out 7, the only stage of the game where you get that money returned to you? Plus, you never know if someone's trying to roll a 7 (although I am on the fence about dice control/setting and all that). At the very least, people are rooting for a 7 on the come out roll (why not root for an 11?), which creates a conflict of interest.

Now that I think about it though, I guess your odds would be returned if they were off during the middle of a roll and someone sevened-out. But I never turn off bets during the point stage though.
odiousgambit
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February 27th, 2012 at 12:39:08 AM permalink
If it is a busy table, noisy etc., I leave them off. I'll probably leave them off if I think the table could get busy. IMO you don't want any issues and you don't want them 'on sometimes off sometimes' on the come-out.

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Paigowdan
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February 27th, 2012 at 2:20:11 AM permalink
The odds on the pass line are also "returned to you," as you can just take them, and all true odds down at any time.
The convention is that place bets and come point odds are off on the come-out roll, - as that is where crap players hope and expect to see the sevens occuring.
People believe that on a hot streak, the 7's do appear, it's just that the timing of them occurs during the come-out rolls (the belief being "use 'em up then!" is the hope...)
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DJTeddyBear
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February 27th, 2012 at 5:11:21 AM permalink
Quote: FourFiveFace

Plus, you never know if someone's trying to roll a 7 (although I am on the fence about dice control/setting and all that). At the very least, people are rooting for a 7 on the come out roll (why not root for an 11?), which creates a conflict of interest.


If you don't believe in dice setting / controlled shooting, then is there any realy difference between trying to roll a come out 7 and merely rooting for it?
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FleaStiff
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February 27th, 2012 at 5:58:46 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

If you don't believe in dice setting / controlled shooting, then is there any real difference between trying to roll a come out 7 and merely rooting for it?

There is no difference in trying to roll a 7 than in rooting for it or in rooting for someone else to roll a 7. Your whooping, hollering, and incantations will have no effect on whatever number you or anyone else rolls. None whatsoever. Your holding your hands in some special way will have no effect on what number is rolled, irrespective of whether it is you or someone else holding the dice.
teddys
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February 27th, 2012 at 6:37:34 AM permalink
It's strictly a timing issue. If you are there to gamble, I say you should leave them on, especially if your betting style is come bet+odds. I almost always leave them on.

Nothing is sweeter than a hit on one of your working bets on the come out roll, and nothing is more painful than a winner seven :) :(
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MrV
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February 27th, 2012 at 7:34:21 AM permalink
It's a matter of personal preference, but I leave my come bet odds automatically OFF on any ensuing come out rolls, because:

1) it's easier: no instructions to the dealers, so less for them to do on a busy game; and

2) many shooters seem to roll a natural seven in a subsequent come out roll as part of a long string of rolls.
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soulhunt79
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February 27th, 2012 at 8:38:56 AM permalink
I think the main reason I don't usually leave them on is because if a 7 is rolled, noone else on the table feels my pain with me. :) Everyone else just won, but I just lost.

The one common exception I will make is I will put the 6/8 odd ON and the rest off. Some dealers will allow this, some won't. You could pick any number you wanted, I just happen to like 6 and 8.
FatGeezus
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February 27th, 2012 at 8:52:21 AM permalink
Try Place betting instead. Place bets are always off on the come out.

Unlike Come bettors, Place bettors don't lose any portion of their bets if a 7 is thrown on the come out.
slyther
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February 27th, 2012 at 8:57:42 AM permalink
I used to have my place bets working on the come out roll. These days I don't. No real reason either way...

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