How I Bet Craps Wrong
September 5th, 2022 at 8:24:51 PM
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Bold but correct, Alan, bold but correct.
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I'll accept that after you and I have observed everyone on the planet who has ever thrown two dice.
September 5th, 2022 at 8:35:23 PM
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If anyone here wants to play Backgammon with me, say just twenty five cents a point using the doubling cube, I guarantee that at some point before I've fleeced every dollar you have on you or can withdraw from the bank off you, if you're on the ball you will have demanded that I start rolling using a cup. 😆 And it's not even cheating just - put a pair of dice in my hand and I can't help but make them do what I want them to do much more often than not. Been rolling and controlling dice since I was an infink. But, controlling the dice the entire length of a craps table amid requiring them to bounce off the wall to boot...maybe someone can do it, but I don't think I can.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 5th, 2022 at 9:03:41 PM
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I would like to know if anyone can prove they can DI with just one die on a standard table. Should be easier, right?
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September 5th, 2022 at 9:10:06 PM
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The distance and the requisite wall bounce are impediments for sure.
I've been able to do what this guy does since I was maybe eight years old. I can't make it happen every time like this guy appears to be doing, but still.
Obviously a popular topic - his video has hit nearly a million views. Maybe whatever he is up to is fake, but after you've lost all your money to me at backgammon, you'll know what I'm doing with dice is the real thing.
Smaller dice, harder but I can still do it enough of the time.
But only short distances, like a Monopoly board, backgammon table, etc. I never considered it cheating, just, I'd "make the dice do what I wanted them to do." It didn't occur to me to roll a pair of dice without trying to control them. It was a reflex.
I can still do it with a cup, but not with anywhere near the precision, and it requires more wind up.
I've been able to do what this guy does since I was maybe eight years old. I can't make it happen every time like this guy appears to be doing, but still.
Obviously a popular topic - his video has hit nearly a million views. Maybe whatever he is up to is fake, but after you've lost all your money to me at backgammon, you'll know what I'm doing with dice is the real thing.
Smaller dice, harder but I can still do it enough of the time.
But only short distances, like a Monopoly board, backgammon table, etc. I never considered it cheating, just, I'd "make the dice do what I wanted them to do." It didn't occur to me to roll a pair of dice without trying to control them. It was a reflex.
I can still do it with a cup, but not with anywhere near the precision, and it requires more wind up.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 5th, 2022 at 9:13:25 PM
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What does that even mean?Quote: tuttigym
I personally regard Ace2's "analyses" to be standard non-creative establishment rhetoric.
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It’s all about making that GTA
September 5th, 2022 at 9:17:54 PM
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I can roll the dice and hit the back wall and then record the narration after the video is shot and voila every one of my rolls will match my narration.
But I can also slide dice. Not legal, but a fun trick.
https://youtu.be/wPkgvNV_IuE
I did a slide at two casinos:
Once at Harrahs Rincon where they have card craps and the dice choose two cards and they didn't care...
And once at the old Gold Strike as a demonstration after I was interviewed by the Las Vegas Review Journal about the Wynn Dice Sliding Case
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/couple-accused-of-dice-sliding-at-wynn-las-vegas/
But I can also slide dice. Not legal, but a fun trick.
https://youtu.be/wPkgvNV_IuE
I did a slide at two casinos:
Once at Harrahs Rincon where they have card craps and the dice choose two cards and they didn't care...
And once at the old Gold Strike as a demonstration after I was interviewed by the Las Vegas Review Journal about the Wynn Dice Sliding Case
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/couple-accused-of-dice-sliding-at-wynn-las-vegas/
September 5th, 2022 at 9:26:48 PM
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Like I said,
Still,
All the way across a craps table and with a wall bounce? I don't think so.
But, if you consider that dice sliding
Couple accused of dice sliding to the tune of $700,000. at Wynn Las Vegas
is possible across those distances, then just imagine what may be done across a few inches on a Monopoly board or backgammon table, without really even sliding.
Quote: MDawgMaybe whatever he is up to is fake, but after you've lost all your money to me at backgammon, you'll know what I'm doing with dice is the real thing.
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Still,
Quote: MDawgonly short distances, like a Monopoly board, backgammon table, etc.
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All the way across a craps table and with a wall bounce? I don't think so.
But, if you consider that dice sliding
Couple accused of dice sliding to the tune of $700,000. at Wynn Las Vegas
is possible across those distances, then just imagine what may be done across a few inches on a Monopoly board or backgammon table, without really even sliding.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 5th, 2022 at 9:34:35 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI can roll the dice and hit the back wall and then record the narration after the video is shot and voila every one of my rolls will match my narration.
Aw, you should at least do some real work. Just call an outcome before every roll until you get several right in row. Besides, it's more convincing having real sounds or other motions occurring while you are talking instead of laying it over the top.
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September 5th, 2022 at 9:44:36 PM
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25 cents a point / doubling cube / no cups. Anytime.
I mean, what's 25 cents? How bad can it get?
I mean, what's 25 cents? How bad can it get?
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 5th, 2022 at 9:51:39 PM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: AlanMendelsonI can roll the dice and hit the back wall and then record the narration after the video is shot and voila every one of my rolls will match my narration.
Aw, you should at least do some real work. Just call an outcome before every roll until you get several right in row. Besides, it's more convincing having real sounds or other motions occurring while you are talking instead of laying it over the top.
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I can mix sound effects too... just like in the movies.
September 6th, 2022 at 2:05:53 AM
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Quote: MDawgI I very occasionally bet the tie but when I do it, I hit it often enough so that I've made net lifetime money on it so trying to tell me the big house advantage on it means I should never bet the tie is meaningless. Plus, I have had sessions where perhaps the only reason I came back from a risk of ruin that should have taken me down, is because of big win tie bets, so - factoring in the bankrolls I've saved from just a couple forty or fifty thousand dollar tie bet wins, makes me even more of a lifetime winner at ties.
oh, wow - you're a liftetime winner on tie bets TOO crushing it despite the 9.5% house edge______________!!!!
surprise, surprise, surprise
color me overwhelming impressed by this God of Gambling_________
your memoirs would be a best seller - your fans are no doubt eagerly awaiting this --------hoping that all of your winning secrets will be revealed
and all of the giant book publishers are no doubt willing to offer you a HUGE advance if you give them a committment
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 6th, 2022 at 2:06:47 AM
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Quote: MDawg25 cents a point / doubling cube / no cups. Anytime.
I mean, what's 25 cents? How bad can it get?
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With common match scoring, I'll assume you're taking a Jefferson off your opponent every round, unless you decide to toy with them to keep the action going.
I suggest to any takers that the definition of "point" be clearly established for the terms of the wager. "Point" can have several meanings in backgammon beyond the common 1/2/3 for game, gammmon, backgammon.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 6th, 2022 at 4:32:18 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: camapl
That comparison is meaningless without knowing how much action resulted in those losses.
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Really? Only in a discussion on a casino forum, I guess.
In the real world the price you pay for a car or for a suit or for a pair of shoes isn't based on how much you spend.
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Ok, I’ll play along with your mediocre analogy… If I say that I paid less for a car than you did, you bet your ___ that the makes and models would be relevant! In case you can’t tell, that would be the action I was talking about. If he’s been playing with more than $300 once a week while picking up free slot play, then yes, your comparison of your losses to his is faulty.
It’s a dog eat dog world.
…Or maybe it’s the other way around!
September 6th, 2022 at 4:35:22 AM
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Quote: MDawgLike I said,
Quote: MDawgMaybe whatever he is up to is fake, but after you've lost all your money to me at backgammon, you'll know what I'm doing with dice is the real thing.
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Still,Quote: MDawgonly short distances, like a Monopoly board, backgammon table, etc.
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All the way across a craps table and with a wall bounce? I don't think so.
But, if you consider that dice sliding
Couple accused of dice sliding to the tune of $700,000. at Wynn Las Vegas
is possible across those distances, then just imagine what may be done across a few inches on a Monopoly board or backgammon table, without really even sliding.
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I’ve noticed that when others don’t play along, you have a tendency to quote yourself…
It’s a dog eat dog world.
…Or maybe it’s the other way around!
September 6th, 2022 at 4:36:20 AM
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No Alan. The burden of proof is the other way around. It's up to those claiming that there ARE DIs who can overcome the HE to provide a example. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"....Carl SaganQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigym
Bold but correct, Alan, bold but correct.
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I'll accept that after you and I have observed everyone on the planet who has ever thrown two dice.
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September 6th, 2022 at 5:32:10 AM
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Quote: UP84No Alan. The burden of proof is the other way around. It's up to those claiming that there ARE DIs who can overcome the HE to provide a example. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"....Carl SaganQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigym
Bold but correct, Alan, bold but correct.
tuttigym
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I'll accept that after you and I have observed everyone on the planet who has ever thrown two dice.
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Well, in my life I have seen three and possibly four shooters who had what I believe was the skill.
They did not hit numbers on command.
They did not have monster winning rolls.
But they set their dice
Had soft throws
The dice rotated in unison
The dice were parallel to the table
The dice gently bounced on the table
The dice gently hit the back wall under the pyramids
And they did this fairly consistently
This is how I define DI
It is not some supernatural long term hitting winner after winner.
September 6th, 2022 at 6:00:29 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: UP84No Alan. The burden of proof is the other way around. It's up to those claiming that there ARE DIs who can overcome the HE to provide a example. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"....Carl SaganQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigym
Bold but correct, Alan, bold but correct.
tuttigym
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I'll accept that after you and I have observed everyone on the planet who has ever thrown two dice.
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Well, in my life I have seen three and possibly four shooters who had what I believe was the skill.
They did not hit numbers on command.
They did not have monster winning rolls.
But they set their dice
Had soft throws
The dice rotated in unison
The dice were parallel to the table
The dice gently bounced on the table
The dice gently hit the back wall under the pyramids
And they did this fairly consistently
This is how I define DI
It is not some supernatural long term hitting winner after winner.
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But your belief falls into the realm of everything else no one has ever confirmed in the sense of like capturing a bigfoot alive. People have claimed to have seen it. But no one has ever showed up with one.
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September 6th, 2022 at 6:23:05 AM
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When I enter a casino, I believe I will win at the craps table. My preparation and mindset and of course some luck allows me to have a very favorable winning percentage.
this is an older quote from him that I have linked
he is yet one more of a 𝙂𝙍𝙀𝘼𝙏 𝙈𝘼𝙉𝙔 players across gambling forums who have stated or implied they are long run winners at negative expectancy games
he states that his "preparation and mindset" can affect the outcome and help enable him to overcome the HA - in other words - it's not necessary to have a mathematical advantage to be a long run winner
the typical players that claim this use some version of the martingale, press up when they believe they're in a streak, or "hit and run" - leave the table when they have a win - and/or leave a table where they are losing to come back and try again later
these are the various techniques ----- and because of them they believe they have been granted immunity from the house edge
I repeat - they do not need to have a mathematical advantage to be long run winners - so they say
amazing feats from amazing players ---------------- well, anyway - at least the claims are amazing
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/972-the-hoax-that-is-the-1-41-house-advantage-on-pass-line-bets/27/#post7597
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 6th, 2022 at 6:32:53 AM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: UP84No Alan. The burden of proof is the other way around. It's up to those claiming that there ARE DIs who can overcome the HE to provide a example. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"....Carl SaganQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigym
Bold but correct, Alan, bold but correct.
tuttigym
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I'll accept that after you and I have observed everyone on the planet who has ever thrown two dice.
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Well, in my life I have seen three and possibly four shooters who had what I believe was the skill.
They did not hit numbers on command.
They did not have monster winning rolls.
But they set their dice
Had soft throws
The dice rotated in unison
The dice were parallel to the table
The dice gently bounced on the table
The dice gently hit the back wall under the pyramids
And they did this fairly consistently
This is how I define DI
It is not some supernatural long term hitting winner after winner.
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But your belief falls into the realm of everything else no one has ever confirmed in the sense of like capturing a bigfoot alive. People have claimed to have seen it. But no one has ever showed up with one.
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Actually I think more people could properly throw dice if they actually tried.
Most shooters I see like to throw dice as if they are throwing rocks on a lake trying to skim them on the water's surface.
Others want to be he-men and throw dice high in the air from the end of the table.
Others like to shake the dice in their hand as if that will demagnetize them.
I think if you took 100 people and said to them "this is how you throw dice" 10% could do it fairly consistently.
You don't have to be Superman. Just sober.
September 6th, 2022 at 7:08:57 AM
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But you do not know if they had an advantage or if they were actually winning overall.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: UP84No Alan. The burden of proof is the other way around. It's up to those claiming that there ARE DIs who can overcome the HE to provide a example. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"....Carl SaganQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigym
Bold but correct, Alan, bold but correct.
tuttigym
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I'll accept that after you and I have observed everyone on the planet who has ever thrown two dice.
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Well, in my life I have seen three and possibly four shooters who had what I believe was the skill.
They did not hit numbers on command.
They did not have monster winning rolls.
But they set their dice
Had soft throws
The dice rotated in unison
The dice were parallel to the table
The dice gently bounced on the table
The dice gently hit the back wall under the pyramids
And they did this fairly consistently
This is how I define DI
It is not some supernatural long term hitting winner after winner.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 6th, 2022 at 7:31:13 AM
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One of the reasons I don’t believe there are any DI AP craps players is because I don’t believe there are any casinos that actually think it’s a real threat. As they’ve done for card counters, hole card spotters, edge sorters or any other type of AP, casinos have deployed a lot of resources, and have always taken extraordinary measures to exclude anyone who they perceive has an edge, even if that perception is wrong. This sort of thing simply isn’t happening for craps.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: UP84No Alan. The burden of proof is the other way around. It's up to those claiming that there ARE DIs who can overcome the HE to provide a example. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"....Carl SaganQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigym
Bold but correct, Alan, bold but correct.
tuttigym
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I'll accept that after you and I have observed everyone on the planet who has ever thrown two dice.
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Well, in my life I have seen three and possibly four shooters who had what I believe was the skill.
They did not hit numbers on command.
They did not have monster winning rolls.
But they set their dice
Had soft throws
The dice rotated in unison
The dice were parallel to the table
The dice gently bounced on the table
The dice gently hit the back wall under the pyramids
And they did this fairly consistently
This is how I define DI
Some casinos ban dice setting, but not because they fear dice setting actually works, but because it slows the game down, and sure, there are some banned craps players out there, but they haven’t been banned because of DI APs, they’ve been banned for other reasons.
September 6th, 2022 at 7:41:17 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfBut you do not know if they had an advantage or if they were actually winning overall.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: UP84No Alan. The burden of proof is the other way around. It's up to those claiming that there ARE DIs who can overcome the HE to provide a example. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"....Carl SaganQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigym
Bold but correct, Alan, bold but correct.
tuttigym
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I'll accept that after you and I have observed everyone on the planet who has ever thrown two dice.
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Well, in my life I have seen three and possibly four shooters who had what I believe was the skill.
They did not hit numbers on command.
They did not have monster winning rolls.
But they set their dice
Had soft throws
The dice rotated in unison
The dice were parallel to the table
The dice gently bounced on the table
The dice gently hit the back wall under the pyramids
And they did this fairly consistently
This is how I define DI
It is not some supernatural long term hitting winner after winner.
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You're correct. They might only be throwing 2s and 12s.
September 6th, 2022 at 7:46:19 AM
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Quote: UP84One of the reasons I don’t believe there are any DI AP craps players is because I don’t believe there are any casinos that actually think it’s a real threat. As they’ve done for card counters, hole card spotters, edge sorters or any other type of AP, casinos have deployed a lot of resources, and have always taken extraordinary measures to exclude anyone who they perceive has an edge, even if that perception is wrong. This sort of thing simply isn’t happening for craps.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: UP84No Alan. The burden of proof is the other way around. It's up to those claiming that there ARE DIs who can overcome the HE to provide a example. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"....Carl SaganQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: tuttigym
Bold but correct, Alan, bold but correct.
tuttigym
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I'll accept that after you and I have observed everyone on the planet who has ever thrown two dice.
link to original post
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Well, in my life I have seen three and possibly four shooters who had what I believe was the skill.
They did not hit numbers on command.
They did not have monster winning rolls.
But they set their dice
Had soft throws
The dice rotated in unison
The dice were parallel to the table
The dice gently bounced on the table
The dice gently hit the back wall under the pyramids
And they did this fairly consistently
This is how I define DI
Some casinos ban dice setting, but not because they fear dice setting actually works, but because it slows the game down, and sure, there are some banned craps players out there, but they haven’t been banned because of DI APs, they’ve been banned for other reasons.
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Except I was thrown out of MGM Grand and NYNY and at Bellagio a table crew refused to pay me when I threw 5-4 three times in a row BECAUSE MY DICE DIDNT BOUNCE OFF THE BACK WALL A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES.
That the dice hit the back wall under the alligator bumps wasn't enough.
Later Bellagio management apologized to me.
But to this day I'm banned from throwing dice at MGM and NYNY.... for only having the appearance of a DI.
I make no claims I am a DI.
September 6th, 2022 at 8:38:00 AM
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In any case, that article you posted would support that another casino believed that someone was able to influence the dice (sliding) to the tune of $700,000.
And once at a downtown casino a pit boss yelled at me to "stop setting the dice" when I was on a pretty good roll and had hit the point in a couple of previous rolls.
Plus your own experience with being admonished / banned.
So there are believers out there among the casinos themselves.
And once at a downtown casino a pit boss yelled at me to "stop setting the dice" when I was on a pretty good roll and had hit the point in a couple of previous rolls.
Plus your own experience with being admonished / banned.
So there are believers out there among the casinos themselves.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 6th, 2022 at 8:53:20 AM
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I also wrote on this forum about a casino in Wendover with an actual sign on their craps table that said no setting.
September 6th, 2022 at 9:42:20 AM
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If I were the casino, I wouldn't allow it during busy times, I wouldn't allow it if it was causing people to abnormally come up short of the back wall.Quote: AlanMendelsonI also wrote on this forum about a casino in Wendover with an actual sign on their craps table that said no setting.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 6th, 2022 at 10:03:10 AM
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Dice sliding is a known DI technique. Casinos are aware of this, and that's why they all have a rule requiring the dice to hit the back wall. You were banned for violating a casino rule.Quote: AlanMendelsonExcept I was thrown out of MGM Grand and NYNY and at Bellagio a table crew refused to pay me when I threw 5-4 three times in a row BECAUSE MY DICE DIDNT BOUNCE OFF THE BACK WALL A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES.Quote: UP84One of the reasons I don’t believe there are any DI AP craps players is because I don’t believe there are any casinos that actually think it’s a real threat because they have rules to thwart known DI tecniques, such as sliding. As they’ve done for card counters, hole card spotters, edge sorters or any other type of AP, casinos have deployed a lot of resources, and have always taken extraordinary measures to exclude anyone who they perceive has an edge, even if that perception is wrong. This sort of thing simply isn’t happening for craps given the rules the casinos have in place.
Some casinos ban dice setting, but not because they fear dice setting actually works, but because it slows the game down, and sure, there are some banned craps players out there, but they haven’t been banned because of DI APs, they’ve been banned for other reasons.
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That the dice hit the back wall under the alligator bumps wasn't enough.
Later Bellagio management apologized to me.
But to this day I'm banned from throwing dice at MGM and NYNY.... for only having the appearance of a DI.
I make no claims I am a DI.
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For clarity I've amended my comments above.
September 6th, 2022 at 10:16:18 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfIf I were the casino, I wouldn't allow it during busy times, I wouldn't allow it if it was causing people to abnormally come up short of the back wall.Quote: AlanMendelsonI also wrote on this forum about a casino in Wendover with an actual sign on their craps table that said no setting.
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Dice setting and controlled throws don't delay the game.
What delays the game are people who shake their dice or have them girlfriend kiss them or stop shooting to drink their beer or throw the dice off the table.
DIs don't throw the dice short. They know that they're expected to hit the back wall.
September 6th, 2022 at 10:20:44 AM
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Dice sliding is a known DI technique. Casinos are aware of this, and that's why they all have a rule requiring the dice to hit the back wall. You were banned for violating a casino rule.Quote: UP84Quote: AlanMendelsonExcept I was thrown out of MGM Grand and NYNY and at Bellagio a table crew refused to pay me when I threw 5-4 three times in a row BECAUSE MY DICE DIDNT BOUNCE OFF THE BACK WALL A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES.Quote: UP84One of the reasons I don’t believe there are any DI AP craps players is because I don’t believe there are any casinos that actually think it’s a real threat because they have rules to thwart known DI tecniques, such as sliding. As they’ve done for card counters, hole card spotters, edge sorters or any other type of AP, casinos have deployed a lot of resources, and have always taken extraordinary measures to exclude anyone who they perceive has an edge, even if that perception is wrong. This sort of thing simply isn’t happening for craps given the rules the casinos have in place.
Some casinos ban dice setting, but not because they fear dice setting actually works, but because it slows the game down, and sure, there are some banned craps players out there, but they haven’t been banned because of DI APs, they’ve been banned for other reasons.
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That the dice hit the back wall under the alligator bumps wasn't enough.
Later Bellagio management apologized to me.
But to this day I'm banned from throwing dice at MGM and NYNY.... for only having the appearance of a DI.
I make no claims I am a DI.
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For clarity I've amended my comments above.
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Sliding is not a DI technique. Sliding is forbidden. Period.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI was interviewed by the Las Vegas Review Journal about the Wynn Dice Sliding Case
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/couple-accused-of-dice-sliding-at-wynn-las-vegas/
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And I was correct about dealers being part of the scam.
September 6th, 2022 at 11:35:26 AM
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I'm not sure I posted my response to UP84 correctly.
So to clarify:
Dice sliding is not a DI technique. It is illegal in every jurisdiction.
His assertion that sliding is a DI technique is absurd.
His further claim that casinos require hitting the back wall to thwart dice sliders is also absurd. My video shows me sliding dice and hitting the back wall.
So to clarify:
Dice sliding is not a DI technique. It is illegal in every jurisdiction.
His assertion that sliding is a DI technique is absurd.
His further claim that casinos require hitting the back wall to thwart dice sliders is also absurd. My video shows me sliding dice and hitting the back wall.
September 6th, 2022 at 12:09:07 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI was interviewed by the Las Vegas Review Journal about the Wynn Dice Sliding Case
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/couple-accused-of-dice-sliding-at-wynn-las-vegas/
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And I was correct about dealers being part of the scam.
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I looked into that $700K dice sliding case at the Wynn. The criminal cases against both defendants, after about a year, were dismissed per NRS 174.085 , which is a form of dismissal such as where the D.A. drops the charges, or there was some procedural defect in the proceedings. The cases went along for about a year and all the way to preliminary hearing - then dismissed.
In this article
Dice Sliding Can Beat Craps But Here’s Why You Should Avoid It
it is stated that dice sliding is illegal in all jurisdictions, but that you must be warned first not to do it, and then if you try to "sneak the slide" past the casino, then you might be guilty of a crime.
Perhaps this is why the case against the $700K sliders was dismissed - they got away with it until reviews of security video revealed what was going on, no prior warning to stop.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 6th, 2022 at 12:27:37 PM
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The dealers were in on it. They were fired.
September 6th, 2022 at 12:30:23 PM
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I found the civil case against at least the man who was involved, and it dragged on for two years 2011 - 2013, then dismissed with prejudice by stipulation on the eve of trial. That could be because it was settled and Wynn got some money, or it was settled and Wynn got nothing.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 6th, 2022 at 12:30:25 PM
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Casinos require that the dice hit the back wall primarily because they've read for years on gambling forums myriad ridiculous claims about how DI's are killing them: only an idiot would not respond to a claimed threat, whether it be proven or not.
If some stranger knocks on my door and says "In ten minutes I'll knock on your door and kill you" then it is appropriate for me to grab my S&W 9MM and await his return: same thing.
I also recall reading how some casinos incorporated bouncier craps table materials as a possible counter-measure to this claimed yet wholly unproven threat to their bottom line.
"Ounce of prevention, pound of cure."
If some stranger knocks on my door and says "In ten minutes I'll knock on your door and kill you" then it is appropriate for me to grab my S&W 9MM and await his return: same thing.
I also recall reading how some casinos incorporated bouncier craps table materials as a possible counter-measure to this claimed yet wholly unproven threat to their bottom line.
"Ounce of prevention, pound of cure."
"What, me worry?"
September 6th, 2022 at 12:50:11 PM
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Quote: MrVCasinos require that the dice hit the back wall primarily because they've read for years on gambling forums myriad ridiculous claims about how DI's are killing them: only an idiot would not respond to a claimed threat, whether it be proven or not.
If some stranger knocks on my door and says "In ten minutes I'll knock on your door and kill you" then it is appropriate for me to grab my S&W 9MM and await his return: same thing.
I also recall reading how some casinos incorporated bouncier craps table materials as a possible counter-measure to this claimed yet wholly unproven threat to their bottom line.
"Ounce of prevention, pound of cure."
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That's a lot of prevention for something wholly unproven.
A friend of mine who collects antique slot machines also has an antique craps table. There are no pyramids and the table surface was nothing more than painted wood.
Ironically the tub table at one of the casinos at Primm (I think it was Buffalo Bill's) is nothing more than painted wood on the table surface... no padding whatsoever. There is rubber along the walls but the rubber is patterned but not with pyramids.
September 6th, 2022 at 1:56:05 PM
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I recall how years ago Heavy talked about a casino responding to the alleged DI threat by changing their layot to a "Frankenstein table," which he said involved removing the felt and changing the underlying material to a wide variety of different materials, each with a different amount of bounce to it.
I'll stick to my theory that they did this not because they KNEW DI worked, but because DI aficionados were filling the internet with tales of DI dice derring do.
I'll stick to my theory that they did this not because they KNEW DI worked, but because DI aficionados were filling the internet with tales of DI dice derring do.
"What, me worry?"
September 6th, 2022 at 1:58:46 PM
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Quote: MrVI recall how years ago Heavy talked about a casino responding to the alleged DI threat by changing their layot to a "Frankenstein table," which he said involved removing the felt and changing the underlying material to a wide variety of different materials, each with a different amount of bounce to it.
I'll stick to my theory that they did this not because they KNEW DI worked, but because DI aficionados were filling the internet with tales of DI dice derring do.
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Of course! They went through all that trouble based on unproven talk on websites.
September 6th, 2022 at 2:08:16 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: MrVI recall how years ago Heavy talked about a casino responding to the alleged DI threat by changing their layot to a "Frankenstein table," which he said involved removing the felt and changing the underlying material to a wide variety of different materials, each with a different amount of bounce to it.
I'll stick to my theory that they did this not because they KNEW DI worked, but because DI aficionados were filling the internet with tales of DI dice derring do.
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Of course! They went through all that trouble based on unproven talk on websites.
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your comment implies that casino Managers always take actions that are highly logical and well thought out
WRONG
casino Managers are sometimes real stupid
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 6th, 2022 at 2:31:41 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonOf course! They went through all that trouble based on unproven talk on websites.
Lots of crapsters, including some high profile BS artists like Frank Scoblete, made a point of "rubbing the casinos' faces in it."
Why should the casinos waste their time trying to independently prove whether DI works or not?
If a bunch of yay-hoos scream "FIRE FIRE" then the smart thing to do is come running with a bucket of water.
I'm not surprised that this elemental fact escapes you, given the history of your writings on the supject, always searching for false hope.
"What, me worry?"
September 6th, 2022 at 2:36:54 PM
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Quote: MrVQuote: AlanMendelsonOf course! They went through all that trouble based on unproven talk on websites.
Lots of crapsters, including some high profile BS artists like Frank Scoblete, made a point of "rubbing the casinos' faces in it."
Why should the casinos waste their time trying to independently prove whether DI works or not?
If a bunch of yay-hoos scream "FIRE FIRE" then the smart thing to do is come running with a bucket of water.
I'm not surprised that this elemental fact escapes you, given the history of your writings on the supject, always searching for false hope.
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Sorry. I just can't believe casinos would go to unnecessary expense, especially based on false rumors.
Casinos would go broke reacting to every rumor.
September 6th, 2022 at 2:57:36 PM
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Frankly in the last 30 years have you seen anything new in craps game protection?
I haven't.
I haven't.
September 6th, 2022 at 3:46:31 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonFrankly in the last 30 years have you seen anything new in craps game protection?
I haven't.
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Craps "protection"? Not sure what that means, but it is obviously not needed.
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September 6th, 2022 at 3:49:08 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonFrankly in the last 30 years have you seen anything new in craps game protection?
Insisting both dice hit the wall and bounce back'
bouncier underlayment materials
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"What, me worry?"
September 6th, 2022 at 3:51:53 PM
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Quote: MrVQuote: AlanMendelsonFrankly in the last 30 years have you seen anything new in craps game protection?
Insisting both dice hit the wall and bounce back'
bouncier underlayment materials
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Also. some casinos installed longer tables.
tuttigym
September 6th, 2022 at 3:57:26 PM
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Yes. The proliferation of extreme sucker bets like bonus craps and fire bet ensures casinos will rake in more profits than ever before...even if some people do (hypothetically) have a bit of influence on the diceQuote: AlanMendelsonFrankly in the last 30 years have you seen anything new in craps game protection?
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It’s all about making that GTA
September 6th, 2022 at 4:22:11 PM
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There have always been aircraft carriers and trampoline dice tables.
September 6th, 2022 at 5:44:58 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelson
Sorry. I just can't believe casinos would go to unnecessary expense, especially based on false rumors.
Casinos would go broke reacting to every rumor.
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That might apply in other situations, say doing major modifications to the casino. But hard to imagine craps table modifications would cause even the stingiest bean counter to sweat over the expense involved.
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September 6th, 2022 at 5:48:25 PM
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Aside from the that, the casino owns the 24hr camera. If they want to hire someone to evaluate all the footage and tell them of vulnerability they can do that as well.
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September 6th, 2022 at 5:54:54 PM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: AlanMendelson
Sorry. I just can't believe casinos would go to unnecessary expense, especially based on false rumors.
Casinos would go broke reacting to every rumor.
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That might apply in other situations, say doing major modifications to the casino. But hard to imagine craps table modifications would cause even the stingiest bean counter to sweat over the expense involved.
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As I asked before... have craps tables changed?
September 6th, 2022 at 6:22:59 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: rxwineQuote: AlanMendelson
Sorry. I just can't believe casinos would go to unnecessary expense, especially based on false rumors.
Casinos would go broke reacting to every rumor.
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That might apply in other situations, say doing major modifications to the casino. But hard to imagine craps table modifications would cause even the stingiest bean counter to sweat over the expense involved.
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As I asked before... have craps tables changed?
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Can you change the performance of something without making it visible? Sure can.
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